Player Signing Trent Brown trade to Pats

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Ranked by who? You act like you are stating a fact.
Regardless of any of that his skill set is better suited at G and it’s not even really debatable. He did well playing out of position but his agility, speed and quickness will get exposed if you leave him out of position. I mean it’s just a matter of evaluating the players strengths and weaknesses and what position he is best suited for. It’s not that hard.

He'll probably say PFF but I believe that's only a certain % for pass blocking. Overall he was great, at tackle and guard.
1)But you don't move a proven player for a few games. Let them battle it out in training camp.
2)As impressive as Onwenu was Wynn and Brown have faced and proven against better comp. Again Bill isn't handing anything they'll battle it out at the very least.
3)I've yet to hear any decent reason to move Onwenu besides he played really good for a few games and Wynn played guard in college. That's not hardly insightful for a big position change.

Also Wynn was playing like a top 15 LT when healthy last year. Maybe people don't realize that and are to busy getting their opinions elsewhere? Do people not realize that Wynn was a better tackle than Onwenu? You don't move someone that has that potential. Someone who can dance with Frank Clark to guard.

Again all 3 and plus some will get reps at tackle bc that's the type of team we are but to date there is no debate. Wynn and Brown are much more proven and have been better than Onwenu.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Because he wasn't drafted to be the RT going forward. He was drafted for Guard. Just because he played RT better than expected doesn't mean that's where the Pats will put him..

Why are you so quick to move Wynn inside? A position he hasn't actually played at the Pro level?

...because if they keep Owenu at RT and slot Brown in at LT thats where he is going...or he'll be traded.

 

[DaBruinz]

Onwenu played more snaps at tackle and was good.......you don't take a good tackle and make them a guard

The fact that Onwenu was "good" at tackle was a bonus. It doesn't mean that's his permanent spot. Just that he's got position flexibility the Pats didn't realize. GUARD is where they had him pegged when they drafted him.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Wynn could be traded as well. I can't see us taking a fifth year option on him ........ I'm just speculating. A high second round pick could net us a quality OT.

Wynn and Cannon to Atlanta for their second and, maybe, Chris Lindstrom LG. Left Tackles playing at high levels are worth a fortune. Also, it could be part of a trade up to the Fourth pick (for example). Again, just speculation.

We don't know what's going on in Foxboro, just that BB will be aggressive. BB appears to have a plan.

I like it. Good idea. It doesn't make sense to pay Wynn or Michel when their contracts expire. I'd trade them now.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

According to Reiss, who I trust, he was better at Guard. Who are we putting at Guard then if we don't resign Thuney, Wynn? I'm not
trying to be down on Wynn, but I trust Owenu at guard more than I do Wynn at this point...then the questions begs to ask, who do I trust
more at tackle, Cannon, Wynn or Owenu....

I've said the same thing more than a few times. Idk why people automatically assume he was better at tackle? I've heard no insight from anyone as to why (which should matter when discussing these things lol) but I think it he was better at guard by a decent bunch.

 

[DaBruinz]

...because if they keep Owenu at RT and slot Brown in at LT thats where he is going...or he'll be traded.

SMH.. Onwenu only went to RT because Eleumenor got injured. Or don't you remember?

You continue to make the assumption that ONWENU is going to stay at RT. Guess what. BROWN is a better RT than LT. And he's better than ONWENU.. Wynn is a better LT than Brown.

So, your idea of moving him inside to LG, a position where he's never played in the NFL, makes no sense at all. Acting as if Wynn will throw some kind of tantrum if he's not playing LT is nonsensical.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Some stubborn people seem fixated on a pre-standing bias or stereotype and keep trying to force a player into what they're "expected" to do rather than look at on field facts.

Who cares if the 49ers and Raiders thought Trent Brown is a RT. Brown hasn't been a good RT on those teams. He was an elite left tackle on the Patriots. The STABLE move is Play Trent Brown at LT.

Who cares if Onwenu was thought to be a guard but turned out to be an ELITE NFL right tackle, one of the best draft picks in the entire league. He started 12 games for the Patriots at RT, keep Onwenu at RT. It's actually messing him up changing him around all the time back to guard. The STABLE play is keep Onwenu at RT.

Who cares if Isiah Wynn was thought to be our LT. He's only played 18 games out of 48 possible regular season games with 4 different injuries. He's unreliable. I actually don't know if we should keep him when his contract expires. Kick Wynn inside to LG, which he knows well since he played LG at Georgia, and see if he can even play 16 games for once. You don't anchor your LT job with the most injury prone player.

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[DaBruinz]

I'd love it - but I wonder what the $ situation is... "yes" they have more cap space than most, but BB and Thuney were (seemingly) unable to get a deal last year - I don't see them coming to an agreement this Spring either...

We don't know why they couldn't get a long term deal done. And there was never anything mentioned as to why.. Until it actually happens,. there is hope.

Personally, I'd like to retain Thuney over Andrews and Cannon. And that is possible now with the addition of Brown.

 

[Hyped]

I am not even sure we are letting Cannon go. Any possibly that he'll take a hair cut? We cannot have too much depth on the OL.....there are several tackles being franchised and others getting paid tons of money.

 

[Rob0729]

As long as he is motivate, Brown is a very good LT. I am glad that they re-did his deal to make him motivated again. Anyone taking Brown going forward should only sign the guy to a series of one year deals . You give him a multi-year contract and he is likely to get lazy.

 

[Rob0729]

We don't know why they couldn't get a long term deal done. And there was never anything mentioned as to why.. Until it actually happens,. there is hope.

Personally, I'd like to retain Thuney over Andrews and Cannon. And that is possible now with the addition of Brown.

I think I take Andrews over the other two. Thuney is clearly a better player, but I think Andrews is more important to the line. In 2019, there were far too many missed blocking assignments on the line. That was corrected last year. You have to assume that Andrews was a big part of that reason.

 

[Urgent]

Much better use of salary cap to spend on tackles rather than lead the league in guard pay.
Brown for Thuney, getting a future third for Thuney and losing a future fifth for Brown, throw in a random seventh, and saving $6mm makes all sorts of sense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

SMH.. Onwenu only went to RT because Eleumenor got injured. Or don't you remember?

You continue to make the assumption that ONWENU is going to stay at RT. Guess what. BROWN is a better RT than LT. And he's better than ONWENU.. Wynn is a better LT than Brown.

So, your idea of moving him inside to LG, a position where he's never played in the NFL, makes no sense at all. Acting as if Wynn will throw some kind of tantrum if he's not playing LT is nonsensical.

Yes and he stayed there because he kicked ass.

We have no idea what Brown will do. He could be fat, dumb and happy. No guarantees.

If he reverts to 2018 form then he sure as **** ain't sitting on the bench.

 

[Biffins]

He went right back to being himself after he left and got fat and happy on a big contract.

As long as he goes back to being himself in that 1 season with us, why do I care. He's back on a 1 year "prove it" contract and is hopefully looking for another pay-day after a fantastic year with us.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I am not even sure we are letting Cannon go. Any possibly that he'll take a hair cut? We cannot have too much depth on the OL.....there are several tackles being franchised and others getting paid tons of money.

Looks like he has already taken all the hair cuts he can

 

[luuked]

The fact that Onwenu was "good" at tackle was a bonus. It doesn't mean that's his permanent spot. Just that he's got position flexibility the Pats didn't realize. GUARD is where they had him pegged when they drafted him.

We literally had BB come out and say those exact words during a media availability and still people argue over this Owenu as RT non-sense.

I don't even get what the point of moving on from Wynn is. You will not get anything even remotely close to value for him while he is cheap as **** this year. If something happens to a tackle -- which has plagued us for a while -- we have Owenu and whoever ends up being the swing tackle as possible replacements.

It makes no sense at all. But some people really want to prove they are smarter than the coaching staff and the entirety of the Pats beat.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think I take Andrews over the other two. Thuney is clearly a better player, but I think Andrews is more important to the line. In 2019, there were far too many missed blocking assignments on the line. That was corrected last year. You have to assume that Andrews was a big part of that reason.

2019, Karras was the one calling the blocking assignments, not Thuney. You also had Newhouse and Ferentz on the line at times, making matters worse.

Have the line stay the same, for the most part, helped this season. Thuney at center is a vast upgrade over Andrews and paying him 12-15 APY is a no brainer for someone who is an ALL-PRO caliber player.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Respectfully disagree.

Just who the f*** do you think you are?

 

[DaBruinz]

Much better use of salary cap to spend on tackles rather than lead the league in guard pay.
Brown for Thuney, getting a future third for Thuney and losing a future fifth for Brown, throw in a random seventh, and saving $6mm makes all sorts of sense.

There is ZERO guarantee you get a 3rd for Thuney. ZERO. All it takes is one signing of a UFA and a 3rd comp for Thuney is gone.

Center is the 2nd most important position on the line after the blind-side tackle. Paying an All-Pro player like Thuney 12-14M is a no brainer. It's a huge step up from Andrews.

Wynn, Onwenu, Thuney, Mason, Brown is a MASSIVE, O-line with good mobility. You're going to open up LOTS of running room for your RBs without having to over-rely on TEs and WRs to do blocking.

Losing Cannon and Andrews while adding Brown and retaining Thuney is a massive upgrade to the line if Thuney is retained.

 

[tasmlab]

Honest question: If the Pats have an excellent OL and a great running game, do they get to win games with a mediocre-to-below-average QB? (Assuming the defense shows up too)