[Old 2020 thread] NFL Free Agency/Trade Rumors:

[UGAPatsfan]

Lombardi on Pat McAfee's show said he is hearing the Patriots are out on Mariota. A reason he gave for why folks aren't biting is apparently Mariota's contract escalates to $20M if he is the starter.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Denver doesn't have the ammo to get Watson

 

[upstater1]

I’m not arguing anything. They had no cap space Brady would have taken up as much as thuney and McCourty.
He would have had to rescind the tag in that case.

Signing the franchise tender makes it fully guaranteed and it CAN'T be rescinded. If you rescind it, you lose the player and the full charge goes against your cap.

I mean, Miguel went over this and showed the Patriots had plenty of space, but maybe you know better than Belichick and Miguel.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Lombardi on Pat McAfee's show said he is hearing the Patriots are out on Mariota. A reason he gave for why folks aren't biting is apparently Mariota's contract escalates to $20M if he is the starter.

If Mariota plays 60 percent of the snaps in 12 games this season -- for the Raiders or another team -- he’ll make an extra $7.5 million. The QB's incentive-laden deal would pay him an additional $156,250, up to $1.875 million, for each win in 2021. He’d receive an extra $250,000 for each playoff win; $1 million for playing in the Super Bowl or $2 million if his team wins the Super Bowl. It's hardly cap-busting money, but it's noteworthy as the Raiders possibly shop Mariota to teams desperate for a viable starting quarterback. Washington is reportedly interested in acquiring Mariota this offseason.

 

[luuked]

Lombardi on Pat McAfee's show said he is hearing the Patriots are out on Mariota. A reason he gave for why folks aren't biting is apparently Mariota's contract escalates to $20M if he is the starter.

Most of those bonuses would be NLTBE and not hit until 22.

This reasoning is pretty thin.

 

[chasa]

We all did the math off of Miguel's numbers several months back and saw that they had $16m in space to maneuver and then they started signing FAs.

You're arguing against Belichick at this point. He would not have had to cut Thuney to sign Brady. How do I know this? Because he franchised Thuney and THEN offered Brady.

you think brady would have signed for 16 mil, with no weapons available?

Lets say the patriots have 16 million at the start, and dont franchise thuney.

the team has no qb, a hole at guard, a hole at WR 1, 3, no te, a RB that regressed.

Tom wants 25million minimum, with his dead cap hit that means if we go 2 years 25 mil guarenteed in both his cap hit is what around 38 million for 2020?

Okay so we cook the books make his salary vet minimum, the rest is a bonus, that makes his 2020 cap hit somewhere north of 25 million(dead cap + proration of the bonus. this takes up all of the available cap space.

So we've signed our qb. The one that *****ed and complained all season about a lack of weapons, despite the team bring in the best players they could with the resources they had.

We now have TB, no offensive weapons, holes on the o-line. and 1 million in cap space.

Who are you cutting?

Remember this is PRE-COVID-Optout.

Don't use hindsight here. which defense players are you cutting, to make enough cap space for the patriots to go out and sign the best available free agent recievers brady is going to want?

Are you bringing back antonio brown? Because brady is going to complain about that all season again.

Brady leaving wasn't just about the money. He wanted to go to a team where he could pad his stats. There is nothing wrong with it, but call a spade a spade., stop with this ********, the patriots had the money to sign him non-sense. BRADY DIDN'T WANT TO BE ON THIS TEAM

 

[yukon cornelius]

Most of those bonuses would be NLTBE and not hit until 21.

This reasoning is pretty thin.

i kind of like this news.......

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I’d offer the second for Lock who else are you getting with more Potential.
I think we should trade for Mariota before Houston or Washington does

We can get him cheaper than that. We saw what wentz went for and even though he struggled last year there’s familiarity with Reich and he has had an elite season before, lock hasn’t even come close. I’m thinking day 3 pick if he isn’t included in a deal for say Deshaun Watson.

 

[venecol]

Denver doesn't have the ammo to get Watson

Don't they have a #9 pick?

 

[chasa]

Don't they have a #9 pick?

if the texans don't get at least 3 first rounders they might as well burn the building down, because houstan fans will lose their actual minds.

 

[venecol]

if the texans don't get at least 3 first rounders they might as well burn the building down, because houstan fans will lose their actual minds.

How about #1 (9), #2 (40), 2022 #1, and a player?

Texans don't have any picks in 1st two rounds.

 

[Sicilian]

Most of those bonuses would be NLTBE and not hit until 21.

This reasoning is pretty thin.

Also, if he hits ALL of those incentives, it means he won the Super Bowl, and I'll gladly pay him $20m for that.

 

[luuked]

i kind of like this news.......

I don't mostly because it just further decreases the options in a not particularly exciting market.

Everyone keeps bringing up JimmyG but there is no guarantee whatsoever that he is even available especially before FA opens. Why would the 49ers move on from a perfectly competent QB (when healthy) before securing a replacement ?

Who else that has the potential to move the needle is out there realistically ? And please don't say Watson or Wilson because both are pipedreams.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I don't mostly because it just further decreases the options in a not particularly exciting market.

Everyone keeps bringing up JimmyG but there is no guarantee whatsoever that he is even available especially before FA opens. Why would the 49ers move on from a perfectly competent QB (when healthy) before securing a replacement ?

Who else that has the potential to move the needle is out there realistically ? And please don't say Watson or Wilson because both are pipedreams.

oh i've said from the get go we're looking at trubisky/mariota.....with a later round pick of maybe someone like a mond or trask.....unless the QB run doesn't happen and bill can move up to somewhere like the 10 and gets a Lance out of it

 

[DW Toys]

I don't mostly because it just further decreases the options in a not particularly exciting market.

Everyone keeps bringing up JimmyG but there is no guarantee whatsoever that he is even available especially before FA opens. Why would the 49ers move on from a perfectly competent QB (when healthy) before securing a replacement ?

Who else that has the potential to move the needle is out there realistically ? And please don't say Watson or Wilson because both are pipedreams.

Cousin, Your logic is astute. Unless you can pry Watson or Wilson (Seattle won't trade him within the conference) why or who would you want to take Jimmie G's place? Carr? But Vegas is in the same boat. Yes Las Vegas has Mariotta too but Carr is the better option.
DW Toys

 

[venecol]

This is the Patriots.
This is Mariota.
These are the Patriots with Mariota.

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Any questions?
Just Say NO

 

[gobesmug]

you think brady would have signed for 16 mil, with no weapons available?

Lets say the patriots have 16 million at the start, and dont franchise thuney.

the team has no qb, a hole at guard, a hole at WR 1, 3, no te, a RB that regressed.

Tom wants 25million minimum, with his dead cap hit that means if we go 2 years 25 mil guarenteed in both his cap hit is what around 38 million for 2020?

Okay so we cook the books make his salary vet minimum, the rest is a bonus, that makes his 2020 cap hit somewhere north of 25 million(dead cap + proration of the bonus. this takes up all of the available cap space.

So we've signed our qb. The one that *****ed and complained all season about a lack of weapons, despite the team bring in the best players they could with the resources they had.

We now have TB, no offensive weapons, holes on the o-line. and 1 million in cap space.

Who are you cutting?

Remember this is PRE-COVID-Optout.

Don't use hindsight here. which defense players are you cutting, to make enough cap space for the patriots to go out and sign the best available free agent recievers brady is going to want?

Are you bringing back antonio brown? Because brady is going to complain about that all season again.

Brady leaving wasn't just about the money. He wanted to go to a team where he could pad his stats. There is nothing wrong with it, but call a spade a spade., stop with this ********, the patriots had the money to sign him non-sense. BRADY DIDN'T WANT TO BE ON THIS TEAM

You do realize that before Covid broke out that the Pats had something like 120mil in cap space for the 2021. The 25 mil in cap space that opened up in 2020 was due to vets like Hightower and Chung opting out and pushing their cap hits from 2020 to 2021.

In other words, the pats had all the flexibility in the world to extend vets back in February of 2020 to open up 25+mil in additional cap space had BB and TB decided to keep the run going.

It's obvious from the aftermath that Brady wanted weapons to play with and Bill wouldn't guarantee him any. Hence why there were reports that Brady wanted roster control. Brady had his worst statistical year in 19 due to a lack of weapons.

BB could have mortgaged the future and traded for either Hopkins or Diggs, extended a bunch of vets to push cap space into future years, but he didn't want to go that route. Brady understood and went to an organization that would maximize his skills for his few remaining years.

No reason to hate Bill for betting against Brady and wanting a fresh start. If you want to hate anyone for Brady leaving, that would be Kraft. Kraft could have let Bill walk away to a young team needing direction then maximized Brady's last few years.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Also, if he hits ALL of those incentives, it means he won the Super Bowl, and I'll gladly pay him $20m for that.

if he were brought here, he'd likely hit the biggest escalators, though.....and they'd be on the '22 cap, which likely wouldn't be a huge issue, but it is going to happen

 

[SHOWTIME15]

oh i've said from the get go we're looking at trubisky/mariota....

May as well bring back Cam

 

[gobesmug]

you think brady would have signed for 16 mil, with no weapons available?

Lets say the patriots have 16 million at the start, and dont franchise thuney.

the team has no qb, a hole at guard, a hole at WR 1, 3, no te, a RB that regressed.

Tom wants 25million minimum, with his dead cap hit that means if we go 2 years 25 mil guarenteed in both his cap hit is what around 38 million for 2020?

Okay so we cook the books make his salary vet minimum, the rest is a bonus, that makes his 2020 cap hit somewhere north of 25 million(dead cap + proration of the bonus. this takes up all of the available cap space.

So we've signed our qb. The one that *****ed and complained all season about a lack of weapons, despite the team bring in the best players they could with the resources they had.

We now have TB, no offensive weapons, holes on the o-line. and 1 million in cap space.

Who are you cutting?

Remember this is PRE-COVID-Optout.

Don't use hindsight here. which defense players are you cutting, to make enough cap space for the patriots to go out and sign the best available free agent recievers brady is going to want?

Are you bringing back antonio brown? Because brady is going to complain about that all season again.

Brady leaving wasn't just about the money. He wanted to go to a team where he could pad his stats. There is nothing wrong with it, but call a spade a spade., stop with this ********, the patriots had the money to sign him non-sense. BRADY DIDN'T WANT TO BE ON THIS TEAM

You do realize that the 25mil in cap space that opened up after the vets opted out was pushed into the 2021 cap space? That's how extensions work and a lot of high cap 2020 vets could have been extended to open up space in February of 2020.

Originally in February of 2020 the pats were projected to have something like 120mil in cap space for 2021 which would have given plenty of flexibility to restructure contracts.

Brady didn't want to "pad his stats", he wanted to play with elite weapons and not the sorry sack of crap he played with in 19. Brady in the Superbowl called 3 running plays on the goal line. If he was trying to "pad stats" like Peyton Manning used to, they would have been all passing plays.

Had Bill and Tom both decided to keep the run going it would have happened. Brady wanted a guarantee contract for the 2 years, a weapon like Diggs or Hopkins to be brought on board, and for Gronk to possibly come back. Bill was not on board with that and there is nothing wrong with either Bill or Brady not finding common ground.

The fact is it came to the point where Kraft had to choose between Brady and Bill. Kraft could have maximized Brady's few years by letting Bill leave, either promote McDaniels and Caserio if they were on board, and use picks and future cap space to give Brady weapons.

Kraft instead bet on Bill. So far, Brady was right and went to an organization that was willing to go all in for his few remaining years. If the pats bounce back this year and look poised to have success for many years then Kraft was right for picking Bill over Brady.

Either way neither Brady nor Bill deserve blame because they couldn't agree on how to continue.