Why the hell did we not try harder to keep TB12?

[DropKickFlutie]

Brady left because we busted on Harry and Sanu. Thanks McDaniels and Ziegler.

 

[Biffins]

Brady had ZERO intention of resigning with the patriots.
there was ZERO chance he was coming back. He no longer was going to non mandatory otas, he spent the whole season complaining, including when we were 8-0
he made no effort to gel with the rookies.

The team wasted a ton of cap money on antonio brown, drafted a #1 receiver, traded mid season for a receiver. nothing was good enough for Tom.

Brady was KICKED OUT. Stop this revisionist history.

It's ok to say BB made a ballsy call and it went wrong.

 

[Biffins]

They are especially annoying when they go on about "just restructure Xxxxx's contract and use that money" like every player is completely OK with being restructured. Didn't Amendola basically say that the main reason he left was because of the restructured deals he signed to stay with the team? Just because a team asks for a restructured deal does not mean that a player has to agree to it.

We could have left Thuney walk and re-signed Tom

Thuney will walk now anyway.

We had the money. We wanted to kick Brady out.

 

[Biffins]

BTW - could you show me this "3 year/27 mil" extension? From: Tom Brady Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Team	Contract Type	Status	Year Signed	Yrs	Total	APY	Guarantees	Amount Earned	% Earned	Effective APY
Patriots	Drafted	Renegotiated	2000​	3​	$864,500​	$288,167​	$38,500​	$559,500​	64.70%​	$279,750​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2002​	4​	$29,625,000​	$7,406,250​	$9,500,000​	$18,500,000​	62.40%​	$6,166,667​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2005​	4​	$48,000,000​	$12,000,000​	$26,500,000​	$54,000,000​	112.50%​	$10,800,000​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2010​	4​	$72,000,000​	$18,000,000​	$18,300,000​	$48,500,000​	67.40%​	$16,166,667​
Patriots	Other	Renegotiated	2013​	5​	$57,000,000​	$11,400,000​	$33,000,000​	$41,000,000​	71.90%​	$13,666,667​
Patriots	Extension	Renegotiated	2016​	2​	$41,000,000​	$20,500,000​	$28,000,000​	$44,764,706​	109.20%​	$14,921,569​
Patriots	Other	Expired	2019​	1​	$23,000,000​	$23,000,000​	$22,000,000​	$23,000,000​	100.00%​	$23,000,000​
Buccaneers	UFA	Active	2020​	2​	$50,000,000​	$25,000,000​	$50,000,000​	$26,625,000​	53.30%​	$26,625,000​

You can't see it? It's the 2013 extension. Brady has $20m left on this contract for last 2 years. And he extended it by 3 more years for $27m so it became $57m for 5 years.

It was a pure gift. Brady got peanuts for years. Jets were whining about this for years that Brady is so underpaid and in return Kraft got him some land and permissions to build property on the cheap at some prime real estate near his own home, and that Kraft was charging Brady nothing for rent in Patriot Place and other stuff. But Brady taking $9m per year for 3 years was insane,

 

[Biffins]

Pats rarely had anyone else on the team that warranted the highest price tag at their position besides Tom in the past decade. I think the point many are making is that the reason that not paying top dollar worked because Tom was the QB and not because the Pats front office was so smart.

We kept Thuney at $14m for this year...............

 

[bresna]

We wanted to kick Brady out.

You have that wrong... Brady left. Period. He negotiated a contract that allowed him to leave and he left. He was not kicked out.

 

[bresna]

You can't see it? It's the 2013 extension. Brady has $20m left on this contract for last 2 years. And he extended it by 3 more years for $27m so it became $57m for 5 years.

It was a pure gift. Brady got peanuts for years. Jets were whining about this for years that Brady is so underpaid and in return Kraft got him some land and permissions to build property on the cheap at some prime real estate near his own home, and that Kraft was charging Brady nothing for rent in Patriot Place and other stuff. But Brady taking $9m per year for 3 years was insane,

What are you talking about? Look at the last column, "Effective APY". In 2013, Brady's cap number was 5th highest in the NFL. You can't go treating $13.8 Million in 2013 like it's the salary for a QB today. $13.8 Million was a lot of money then.

Oh, and BTW, in that extension, the Patriots converted $33 Million over to guaranteed money. That is why Brady took it. QB's are one bad hit from retirement. Brady isn't dumb. Any guaranteed money is a good thing.

 

[chasa]

We kept Thuney at $14m for this year...............

We sure did, as a way to try and appease brady, by paying top dollar to protect him in the pocket.

 

[203Pat]

We sure did, as a way to try and appease brady, by paying top dollar to protect him in the pocket.

Lol it's Brady's fault Bill paid a guard $14 million.

 

[chasa]

Lol it's Brady's fault Bill paid a guard $14 million.

Hey guy, just go someplace else. You clearly don't like bill, and since hes the GM and the coach that brough 6 superbowls, and 9 trips to the superbowl, you must not be much of a patriot fan. So instead of *****ing and complaining all day, why don't you just go jump on a different bandwagon team until the patriots rebuild, then come back and act like you always loved bill.

 

[Steve102]

Brady left for a multitude of reasons. Among them, in no order:

• Butler's benching
• Kraft's handling of the deflate gate mess
• Kraft's rub and tug
• Bill's coaching style IE Johnny Foxboro
• Brady's desire to have input to personnel and game plan decisions. "I'm an employee" and Bill's unwavering stubbornness to change how he does things.
• Bill's inability to draft and develop WRs
• Bill's handling of Alex Guerrero
• Tom's growth as a person
• Bill's lack of same

 

[Digit]

Part of Lebron's legacy came because the teams that had him -stripmined- their futures for now and won championships, and then were left barren when he left.

As is often the case with these things, it's not a matter of listing off 'everything management did wrong' as if this were the sole reasons Lebron left; Lebron basically got catered to, stripmined everything, and left the franchise in a long rebuild period while he went on to win championships elsewhere. Most fans were happy with the championships they -had-.

This, I think, is basically what happened the last few years with Brady (letting go of Garoppolo, going in on RBs and WRs instead of OL and DLs), and at some point, you can't -keep sacrificing the future for the present- because you don't -have- enough to keep a foundation around that's not completely reliant on one player.

Brady chose a team that had all the pieces and just needed a QB, as opposed to a team that -needed- to re-trench after the all-in moves. It's much easier to move on as a free agent if you don't have time to wait for the rebuild/retrenching, especially if you're after -your own legacy-, which Brady is 100 percent for.

The hardest part of all this is that going all-in makes it harder to keep building for the long-term if you're always trying to -win now-, which places Brady and Belichick at odds in terms of team-building goals. It's not really Belichick's fault, or Brady's, it's just that Belichick wants to win now -and- win in the future, while Brady is more concerned about -now- at his age.

That's all there is to it, really.

 

[203Pat]

Hey guy, just go someplace else. You clearly don't like bill, and since hes the GM and the coach that brough 6 superbowls, and 9 trips to the superbowl, you must not be much of a patriot fan. So instead of *****ing and complaining all day, why don't you just go jump on a different bandwagon team until the patriots rebuild, then come back and act like you always loved bill.

I am glad I have you here to help steer me in the right direction.

 

[Boomer B]

You have that wrong... Brady left. Period. He negotiated a contract that allowed him to leave and he left. He was not kicked out.

BS. Brady negotiated that contract because Bill kept ****ing him around with 1 year incentive deals. If he had treated him with the respect he deserves and offered a multi year deal Brady would still be a Patriot. Bill f*cked up, plain and simple. Both Bill and Kraft have egg on their face right now.

 

[Kontradiction]

BS. Brady negotiated that contract because Bill kept ****ing him around with 1 year incentive deals. If he had treated him with the respect he deserves and offered a multi year deal Brady would still be a Patriot. Bill f*cked up, plain and simple. Both Bill and Kraft have egg on their face right now.

Depending on where Kraft is in Florida, he may have something else on his face too.

 

[Boomer B]

Depending on where Kraft is in Florida, he may have something else on his face too.

Not a bad shot for an 80 yr old

 

[Biffins]

Brady left for a multitude of reasons. Among them, in no order:

• Butler's benching
• Kraft's handling of the deflate gate mess
• Kraft's rub and tug
• Bill's coaching style IE Johnny Foxboro
• Brady's desire to have input to personnel and game plan decisions. "I'm an employee" and Bill's unwavering stubbornness to change how he does things.
• Bill's inability to draft and develop WRs
• Bill's handling of Alex Guerrero
• Tom's growth as a person
• Bill's lack of same

Kicking out AB
Burning out Gronk.

 

[Steve102]

Kicking out AB
Burning out Gronk.

I would put AB under the rub and tug fiasco and Gronk under Bill's coaching style. It's all part of the nastiness of a divorce.

At some point, you look at the soon to be ex and think could you just not breathe. I would imagine at some level, at the end, everything bothered Bill and everything bothered Tom.

 

[bresna]

Brady left for a multitude of reasons. Among them, in no order:

• Butler's benching
• Kraft's handling of the deflate gate mess
• Kraft's rub and tug
• Bill's coaching style IE Johnny Foxboro
• Brady's desire to have input to personnel and game plan decisions. "I'm an employee" and Bill's unwavering stubbornness to change how he does things.
• Bill's inability to draft and develop WRs
• Bill's handling of Alex Guerrero
• Tom's growth as a person
• Bill's lack of same

You missed a biggie - Brady wanted to tap into the aged Floridian population for his lifestyle products. Anyone that doesn't think that was at play here has missed what Brady has been doing for the last 5 years.

 

[sean10mm]

A basic fact is that Belichick treated Brady like just another ***** in front of the team right to the end and Arians treated him like a coach. Even if you get the reasoning of not having favoritism (while sticking your dope kid on the staff...) Brady had to just be sick of it.