Stafford on the trading block [update: traded to Rams]

[Ring 6]

On everything I love I had a proposed trade in my thread but never posted it bc it didn't look real enough. I'd welcome Stafford in a second for the right price.

Det gets - 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd & 3rd, Gilmore

Pats get - Stafford, swap 8 & 15.

15 straight up is a lot more realistic but I really don't want to part with the highest draft capital we've had in a decade. Normally I'm proven vet > draft picks. This is all on Bill of course. Maybe he sees it as Stafford > Lance/Wilson, who knows?

Look I'd rather go young but Stafford is more than good enough to at least compete for a SB ... with a competent coaching staff, defense and running game. Detroit has been a nightmare from top to bottom since forever so it's tough to judge him in that environment.

Essentially I see as two 2nd's & a 3rd for Stafford and Gilmore thrown in to move up. Now we have a franchise QB. In his early 30's but still looks good. A top 10 pick to select a prospect, trade down or possibly into next year and have two 2022 1st.

Sign Robinson or Golladay. Draft another speedster in the 3rd and your offense looks a lot different overnight.

You don’t get better by giving away your shut down corner. I’m not a Stafford fan at all but if I was I would never include Gilmore.

 

[Ross12]

The fact SF is interested in Stafford really makes Garoppolo returning seem more realistic. I would rather bring Jimmy back for a 2nd and keep my 1st than lose #15 for Stafford. Garoppolo + Waddle is a lot more enticing than just Stafford.

 

[jmt57]

I'm looking at this from the perspective of the current team, Detroit.

• Trading Stafford prior to June 1 - ie, when other teams are interested in making a deal - results in a huge cap savings.
• Rather than the current $33 mil cap hit, it becomes $19 mil - a savings of $14 mil.
• On the other hand that also means the new regime is dedicating $19 mil of their 2021 cap to a person who is not there in dead money.
• What happens once they commit to drafting a QB at #7, regardless of how many QBs are off the board?

For those that propose a post-June 1 trade, keep in mind that deal doesn't make sense for either side.

• If they draft a QB in the first round the Lions lose all leverage during Stafford trade negotiations.
• Meanwhile Brad Homs and Dan Campbell would have been unable to be a buyer in free agency since they were stuck with Stafford's $33 mil cap number, while entering 2021 free agency with virtually no money to spend ($2 mil).

Bottom line is that trading Stafford means that the new management is implicitly going to admit 2021 will be an awful season. The Ford family didn't hire a new regime to have a worse season than the Lions had in 2020.

 

[Ring 6]

The fact SF is interested in Stafford really makes Garoppolo returning seem more realistic. I would rather bring Jimmy back for a 2nd and keep my 1st than lose #15 for Stafford. Garoppolo + Waddle is a lot more enticing than just Stafford.

I’d rather have Jimmy G and my first than Stafford 100 times out of 100. Im not convinced Jimmy can be one of the reasons, you win SBs and he may never match numbers with Stafford but I don’t believe you can win SBs with Stafford.

 

[Ring 6]

I was steady to chime in with the « he’s not worth that it’s going to cost » rant.... but, while I remain unconvinced in Stafford, I’d be intrigued at 20M$...

Pros : he’s tough, he has athletic talent
Cons : sometimes makes mistakes because he thinks his arm can do anything

I don’t like the risk taking aspect. But the toughness would be respected in the locker. And I think BB could convince him that - to win - you sometimes just throw it away instead of risking it all. But I dunno if he wants to hang w Patricia anymore...

The cost isn’t the problem, they player is.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm looking at this from the perspective of the current team, Detroit.

• Trading Stafford prior to June 1 - ie, when other teams are interested in making a deal - results in a huge cap savings.
• Rather than the current $33 mil cap hit, it becomes $19 mil - a savings of $14 mil.
• On the other hand that also means the new regime is dedicating $19 mil of their 2021 cap to a person who is not there in dead money.
• What happens once they commit to drafting a QB at #7, regardless of how many QBs are off the board?

For those that propose a post-June 1 trade, keep in mind that deal doesn't make sense for either side.

• If they draft a QB in the first round the Lions lose all leverage during Stafford trade negotiations.
• Meanwhile Brad Homs and Dan Campbell would have been unable to be a buyer in free agency since they were stuck with Stafford's $33 mil cap number, while entering 2021 free agency with virtually no money to spend ($2 mil).

Bottom line is that trading Stafford means that the new management is implicitly going to admit 2021 will be an awful season. The Ford family didn't hire a new regime to have a worse season than the Lions had in 2020.

I would have absolutely no doubt that the Ford family given the history of the franchise would gleefully accept a crappy 2021 if it was part of a plan that fixed the team and made them contenders for the foreseeable future.
I will bet a lot of money Dan Campbell with Stafford as his QB will not see multiple playoffs wins before being the next fired HC of the lions.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

Detroit will never win hiring bums as Head coaches .. Cough... Cough...

Serious this new coach has never even been an oc or dc... BB would be wise to play this dude like a fiddle and use Patricia for any leverage he might have.

As someone else said... Would Stafford want to be around MP?

 

[fightingirish595]

Great stat compiler between the 25s. Great stat compiler in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and 4th when trailing.
Habitually starts poorly to get you in a hole, runs up some hollow numbers and fails in the 4th quarter.
If the game was played without keeping score, or the mental part of the game didn’t count, he would be great.
Is it possible a good team and coaching could elevate him? Maybe but im not counting on it.

38 game winning drives.

 

[Ring 6]

38 game winning drives.

90 losses

12 years in nfl 74-90-1
38 game winning drives.

36 wins in 12 years that didn’t require a game winning drive, meaning 129 other times he and his team fell behind and in only 38 of those 129 did he pull out a win.
Is that supposed to be impressive?

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Stafford....Watson...please trade for someone

No offense, but can we please stop with the Watson talk? The Pats do not even almost have the assets to get him. We may as well be talking about trading for Mahomes or 2007 Tom Brady. It's ust not based in any sort of reality.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

90 losses

12 years in nfl 74-90-1
38 game winning drives.

36 wins in 12 years that didn’t require a game winning drive, meaning 129 other times he and his team fell behind and in only 38 of those 129 did he pull out a win.
Is that supposed to be impressive?

When you are the QB of a terrible team? Yes. People always talk about QBs doing more with less. This guy has been surrounded by primarily trash for most of his career. I'm not going to hold that against him.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

I like Stafford. Probably more than most on this board. But no way in hell am I trading a first round pick for a guy who turns 34 next month. Not on a rebuilding team. That #15 pick should get you at the very least, an above average starter (at whatever position) for the next ten years. This team has too many holes to fill to throw away a high pick for a guy in his mid 30s. Realistically he would be 36 or 37 by the time this team can be built into a legit contender, not just a playoff team.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

When you are the QB of a terrible team? Yes. People always talk about QBs doing more with less. This guy has surrounded by primarily trash for most of his career. I'm not going to hold that against him.

I watched him at uga... He was great and had a much more talented team as far as collegiate ...
I agree... I see him doing much better than a rookie or a washed up Scramble QB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

When you are the QB of a terrible team? Yes. People always talk about QBs doing more with less. This guy has surrounded by primarily trash for most of his career. I'm not going to hold that against him.

Calvin Megatron Johnson says Hi. 4.3 speed in a 6'5", 235lb frame. Once in a lifetime talent. Can you imagine his career with Brady? You think Moss was good? You think Gronk was good? "Primarily trash" is your post.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

Calvin Megatron Johnson says Hi. 4.3 speed in a 6'3", 235lb frame. Once in a lifetime talent. Can you imagine his career with Brady? You think Moss was good? "Primarily trash" is your post.

Maybe hes reffering to other players...

 

[Simpelton]

Maybe hes reffering to other players...

It is a well known fact that Detroit has not one single clue how to assemble an actual offensive line.

 

[Ring 6]

When you are the QB of a terrible team? Yes. People always talk about QBs doing more with less. This guy has been surrounded by primarily trash for most of his career. I'm not going to hold that against him.

Why is he not part of the trash? Your argument says every player in a bad team is really good because it’s the other guys fault.

But honestly you think that a record of 36 wins in 12 years where you don’t need a 4th quarter comeback and winning only 38 out of 129 when you do is good? What is bad?

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Calvin Megatron Johnson says Hi. 4.3 speed in a 6'3", 235lb frame. Once in a lifetime talent. Can you imagine his career with Brady? You think Moss was good? "Primarily trash" is your post.

Try googling the words "primarily" and "most". Also, "of" if you need to. Primarily trash is your vocabulary and/or your reading comprehension. Please try harder at not being a douche. It will make the forum a much more pleasant place for everyone.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Why is he not part of the trash? Your argument says every player in a bad team is really good because it’s the other guys fault.

But honestly you think that a record of 36 wins in 12 years where you don’t need a 4th quarter comeback and winning only 38 out of 129 when you do is good? What is bad?

I can't believe you actually want to argue this point. Absurd. You will argue over anything, wont you? There seem to be a lot of you here.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

Regardless of where Stafford goes... He will do better. I think its fairly humorous to see the disliking of a seasoned veteran... One who has been loyal to a dumpster fire for over a decade treated like a pariah.. When the patriots have no experience at leadership in the QB posistion as well as many other teams in the hunt for just that.