Stafford on the trading block [update: traded to Rams]

[RIpats88]

I'm just asking HOW valued a starting QB he is......is he actually a 27 mil cap hit QB i guess is my big question

That's what Tannehill makes. It's the going rate for a QB of that talent level

 

[yukon cornelius]

at current numbers, his salary is 15% of the 2021 cap

this year the top 10 highest paid NFL QB's salaries were 15.9% - 10.9% of a teams cap space.....

 

[Mack Herron]

“Bortles creates a lot of problems for you,” Belichick said. “I felt last week against Miami was another good example of the overall effectiveness of the offense: decision making, no sacks, and no turnovers. He’s able to make plays with his feet. He’s able to make plays in critical situations like third down, two-minute and he’s able to make plays when he has a chance to get the ball down the field. We saw a couple of those last week with Robinson. He’s done a good job with that.”

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“With Henne, you really got to defend everything,” Belichick said. “You gotta defend all the receivers, you gotta defend the short balls, you gotta defend the play-action, the deep balls, a little bit of scrambling. I think he does a pretty good job of everything. And that’s really the hardest thing for a defense is when you gotta defend everything as opposed to just nailing it down to this is what he likes to do and it’s this small thing that they’re pretty good at but it’s just that one thing.”

Saying different things here...

 

[Tottie]

at current numbers, his salary is 15% of the 2021 cap

this year the top 10 highest paid NFL QB's salaries were 15.9% - 10.9% of a teams cap space.....

I don't want him but if you are going to compare his salary to that of other players at least use the same year. What will the top QBs make % wise compared to next year's cap.

 

[yukon cornelius]

there's also value, though, in addressing the QB situation sooner rather than later........so who the **** knows what they do lol......staffords cap hit is higher, his trade value might be lower than that 15 pick, even with demand being high......garrapolo's trade value has to be a little higher, just based on age, but who knows....there's so many moving parts right now in the QB market

would it shock me to see BB play the wait game and see how things shake out? it seems more likely than him going out and making a huge early splash, but who knows....

what i do know is no team has won a superbowl with a QB approaching 15% of their cap space.....it's hard to win with an expensive QB, it's hard to win without a good QB......going on that premise, i'd be more inclined to think the pats end up with someone like a brissett, letting Indy go after the higher tagged trade QB

 

[yukon cornelius]

here's the more telling QB cap hit numbers - since 2010, only 5 super bowl winners had QBs with a cap hit over 10% of the total cap....3 of those were tom brady, and none of those were over 12.4%

stafford & garropolo's current cap hits for next year, without a restructure, would be 15+%......restructure for both would probably include extensions.......don't think staffords window would be the restructure for this roster, and i'm not sold on garrapolo enough to go long term on him

the more i ramble and the more i read, the more i'm sold on jacoby brissett in 2021 hahaha

 

[yukon cornelius]

take a look at this year's QB numbers vs. teams still alive:

-Dak Prescott ($31,509,000): 15.9%

-Russell Wilson ($31,000,000): 15.6%

-Jared Goff ($28,842,682): 14.6%

-Jimmy Garoppolo ($26,600,000): 13.4%

-Philip Rivers ($25,000,000): 12.6%

-Tom Brady ($25,000,000): 12.6%

-Ben Roethlisberger ($23,750,000): 12.0%

-Drew Brees ($23,650,000): 11.9%

-Ryan Tannehill ($22,500,000): 11.4%

-Aaron Rodgers ($21,642,000): 10.9%

 

[Tottie]

I've seen the % reference before and it's a valid point, however next year is not a normal year so the 15% figure doesn't apply. Please do the same list for next year's projected cap.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I've seen the % reference before and it's a valid point, however next year is not a normal year so the 15% figure doesn't apply. Please do the same list for next year's projected cap.

under current contracts:

stafford comes in at 18.8%
jimmy g comes in at 15.2%
brady 15.1%
goff 19.8%
tannehill 17.6%
mahomes 14%
watson 9%


lamar jackson's cap hit in 2021 is a little over 3 mil lol

brees, rodgers, ryan & BR are all above goff....BR comes in at 23% - but who knows what happens with all of them; other than rodgers doesn't look like any of them/most of them will be back with current teams.......although BR says he wants to play, he's going to have to seriously restructure that deal if he wants to stay with the steelers, their FA list looks pretty extensive, and they are in salary cap hell

 

[VrabelJr]

#15 is too much for Stafford. I'd want something else back in that, such as a third rounder. We only give first rounders to Goodell.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Trying to gauge what it would take. Closest comparison i can think of is carson palmer in 2011 to the raiders for a 1st and 2nd rounder. Palmer was also 32 I believe. They are the Raiders though. But anything near that would be a no for me.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Jimmy Garoppolo

• 24-8 record as a starter
• 98.9 passer rating
• 67.5% comp pct.

2017 - 5-0 record with Marquise Goodwin as WR1
2018 - 1-2 record with Kendrick Bourne as WR1
2019 - 13-3 record with rookie Deebo Samuel as WR1

In the 1.5 games with the pats he threw for 4 TDs & had a 113.3 passer rating. Gronk wasn't active either.

Getting Garoppolo back for minimal draft capital would be a bailout. His quick release & accuracy always fit the pats offense.

 

[scott99]

Trying to gauge what it would take. Closest comparison i can think of is carson palmer in 2011 to the raiders for a 1st and 2nd rounder. Palmer was also 32 I believe. They are the Raiders though. But anything near that would be a no for me.

My thoughts are the Pat’s 2021 1st and 2021 2nd round picks for Stafford and Lion’s 2021 2nd round pick.

The Lions really don’t have the leverage in this trade. Teams know they wanna get rid of him.

 

[signbabybrady]

Trying to gauge what it would take. Closest comparison i can think of is carson palmer in 2011 to the raiders for a 1st and 2nd rounder. Palmer was also 32 I believe. They are the Raiders though. But anything near that would be a no for me.

Drew is good comp.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Jimmy Garoppolo

• 24-8 record as a starter
• 98.9 passer rating
• 67.5% comp pct.

2017 - 5-0 record with Marquise Goodwin as WR1
2018 - 1-2 record with Kendrick Bourne as WR1
2019 - 13-3 record with rookie Deebo Samuel as WR1

In the 1.5 games with the pats he threw for 4 TDs & had a 113.3 passer rating. Gronk wasn't active either.

Getting Garoppolo back for minimal draft capital would be a bailout. His quick release & accuracy always fit the pats offense.

Love this idea. If he’s not injury prone, seems like the right move. Let’s remember the Patriots allegedly turned down some big draft pick offers from the Browns in 2017.

Even despite the SB run, it was obvious Jimmy isn’t a great fit for Shanahan’s offense, since it requires almost zero improvisation or QB reads. But he still ran it well.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

My thoughts are the Pat’s 2021 1st and 2021 2nd round picks for Stafford and Lion’s 2021 2nd round pick.

The Lions really don’t have the leverage in this trade. Teams know they wanna get rid of him.

Yeah maybe somethin like that. Cincy was in a worse situation too, Palmer was demanding a trade so even less leverage.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Drew is good comp.

1 first right? damn we just always seem to get less for our qb's lol

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with you on Stidham (or at least I definitely have doubts), but would you like to give up the #15 pick just to have your heart broken in the final two minutes of the game with regularity? Because that's essentially what you'd be acquiring with it.

Great stat compiler between the 25s. Great stat compiler in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and 4th when trailing.
Habitually starts poorly to get you in a hole, runs up some hollow numbers and fails in the 4th quarter.
If the game was played without keeping score, or the mental part of the game didn’t count, he would be great.
Is it possible a good team and coaching could elevate him? Maybe but im not counting on it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

On everything I love I had a proposed trade in my thread but never posted it bc it didn't look real enough. I'd welcome Stafford in a second for the right price.

Det gets - 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd & 3rd, Gilmore

Pats get - Stafford, swap 8 & 15.

15 straight up is a lot more realistic but I really don't want to part with the highest draft capital we've had in a decade. Normally I'm proven vet > draft picks. This is all on Bill of course. Maybe he sees it as Stafford > Lance/Wilson, who knows?

Look I'd rather go young but Stafford is more than good enough to at least compete for a SB ... with a competent coaching staff, defense and running game. Detroit has been a nightmare from top to bottom since forever so it's tough to judge him in that environment.

Essentially I see as two 2nd's & a 3rd for Stafford and Gilmore thrown in to move up. Now we have a franchise QB. In his early 30's but still looks good. A top 10 pick to select a prospect, trade down or possibly into next year and have two 2022 1st.

Sign Robinson or Golladay. Draft another speedster in the 3rd and your offense looks a lot different overnight.

 

[Ring 6]

In 2018, Belichick said Stafford is “as good as there is in football” as a downfield passer.

“He does an excellent job of seeing down the field in all situations,” Belichick said at the time. “No matter how much pressure he’s under, he seems to find guys down there. Sometimes it appears that they’re covered, but he can put the ball where (Marvin) Jones in particular, but also (Kenny) Golladay, can go up and make plays on the ball.

“He’s very accurate and he’s got a strong arm. He can stand in there and make those throws, with or without a rush, in or out of the pocket, stationary or on the run. He’s extremely dangerous – one of the very best in the league for sure.”

Matthew Stafford To Patriots? What It Would Take To Trade For Lions QB - NESN.com

The Detroit Lions and their starting quarterback, Matthew Stafford, reportedly will mutually part ways, and the New England Patriots should come calling.

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You understand that he makes these comments about every opponent right? None of them are real analysis they are fluff jobs to complement the opponent.