BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[PatsRebuild]

Dude. You just lost all credibility comparing Stidham to Ray Bourque. Not even close. Please.

I am not comparing him to the great Ray Bourque. Sweet reading comprehension.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Unless of course his football IQ is horrible, which it probably is. They're not going to take a WR that high if the kid is dumb and one dimensional.

A one dimensional, yet highly talented Moss type of WR here, is a luxury piece, not a building piece. A 20 on the Wonderlic is the minimum. People don't realize that a big reason why Brady won 3 SBs in 4 years the first time with David Patten or David Givens, was because defenses had no idea where the ball was going because all the WRs would run routes out of all the spots on the field so nothing ever looked the same.

AJ Brown seems to be doing pretty darn well down there in Tennessee. Sure you can't be a dummy and play WR in the NFL and especially not in this offense, but you shouldn't have to be a mensa student to play in this offense either... there has to be some middle ground there, if the offense is so complex that we continue to struggle to find talented players to work within it, then we need to seriously start rethinking our philosophy in that area

Here are the Wonderlic Scores from WRs taken in that draft:

WR

• DK Metcalf 17
• N'Keal Harry 24
• Marquise Brown 21
• AJ Brown 18
• Riley Ridley 9
• Miles Boykin 26
• Hakeem Butler 27
• JJ Arcega-Whiteside 29
• Preston Williams 11
• KaVonte Turpin 7

Some other receivers with much higher scores that havent done much in this league.. but Metcalf and Brown have been dominating this league since entering it... so i highly doubt they have a low football IQ. Seems their respective teams are figuring out ways to have them produce without trying to go all mad scientist with their offensive schemes, so why cant we?

I guess when N'Keal is out of the league in a few years, he can hang his hat on the fact that his wonderlic score was higher than some of the other receivers that are having all-pro careers

 

[PatsRebuild]

AJ Brown seems to be doing pretty darn well down there in Tennessee. Sure you can't be a dummy and play WR in the NFL and especially not in this offense, but you shouldn't have to be a mensa student to play in this offense either... there has to be some middle ground there, if the offense is so complex that we continue to struggle to find talented players to work within it, then we need to seriously start rethinking our philosophy in that area

Here are the Wonderlic Scores from WRs taken in that draft:

WR

• DK Metcalf 17
• N'Keal Harry 24
• Marquise Brown 21
• AJ Brown 18
• Riley Ridley 9
• Miles Boykin 26
• Hakeem Butler 27
• JJ Arcega-Whiteside 29
• Preston Williams 11
• KaVonte Turpin 7

Some other receivers with much higher scores that havent done much in this league.. but Metcalf and Brown have been dominating this league since entering it... so i highly doubt they have a low football IQ. Seems their respective teams are figuring out ways to have them produce without trying to go all mad scientist with their offensive schemes, so why cant we?

I guess when N'Keal is out of the league in a few years, he can hang his hat on the fact that his wonderlic score was higher than some of the other receivers that are having all-pro careers

Well, I think it depends. I think they're systems are super simple in Seattle and Tenn, It's a lot of run game and deep balls, so you're basically using their physical make up to their advantage, which is fine. But, you can't deny this team's system and playbook makes a guy that, while a nice red zone option, not a great fit in the middle of the field. I mean, they line up in the same spot and just it's single man so the QB chucks it up. I get it. It's effective, it works, so why don't we have it? Well, Harry scored the highest. Now, maybe some feel the Wonderlic is overrated, but I don't except with very few exceptions like a Randy Moss, where you just throw it out the window because of the freakish gifts and his unusual football IQ. Gronk, same thing.

So, there's a partial argument there, but BB also likes his WRs to block, be smart, etc. And, I can tell you this: Neither Wilson nor Tannehill skipped OTAs like Brady did and they weren't jerks to their new WRs.

 

[The Brandon Five]

1. This is false. Tom Curran described Brady's feelings as being "marginalized" in 2019. BB walked from Brady after the Rams Super Bowl. In fact, everyone in the room after the SB where I was, said the same thing...."Time to hang it up, Tom, and go out on top".... BB was not happy he couldn't keep JimmyG. BB walked in 2019. Brady knew it. He was done. It's why he skipped OTAs. He then sabtoaged the 2019 season by being a jerk. This is true. His own teammates went to BB and basically said "we don't want to deal with him again in 2020"....Truth. Reported, corroborated, etc. I am imagining it was a player like a McCourty or a Chung type who got sick and tired of holding teams to 9 points every week an in offensive league were my dog can throw for 250 yards, blind and drunk. Sad, but true.

I think JimmyG was willing to take the short term extension he was offered by BB to bridge the Brady gap, so to speak. In other words, BB was fine paying JimmyG 8 mil as a back up in 2018, just to let Brady have won more go. Would they have won the SB with that? I don't know. Maybe the 8 million wouldn't have gone to Jason McCourty or another FA who helped them win it, or new money for a new contract for someone already on the team. Who knows.

This is false. Lynch asked for Brady first and BB LOL'ed.

John Lynch confirms he asked Bill Belichick about a trade for Tom Brady

PMT: Did you ask for Tom Brady?

Lynch: I’m not supposed to talk about that.

[laughter]

Lynch: Yeah, we were calling about Jimmy, and we did have that conversation and got quickly rebuffed. I figured, ‘You know, what the heck, you’ve got to take your shot, right? You can’t score if you don’t shoot.’ So I had to summon up the courage — and yeah, Bill laughed at me. He basically hung up on me, but hey, I took my shot.

 

[sb1]

Right now Stidham is Ray Bourque trying to follow Brady/Orr.

I am not comparing him to the great Ray Bourque. Sweet reading comprehension.

lol

 

[PatsRebuild]

This is false. Lynch asked for Brady first and BB LOL'ed.

John Lynch confirms he asked Bill Belichick about a trade for Tom Brady

Wow. You just cited something and have the wrong info. HE ASKED TO TRADE FOR JIMMY, not Brady. He admits it was a half joke. Kraft over-ruled BB which is why BB is pissed he's being made a fool of right now during a pandemic.

He worked with JimmyG EVERYDAY with the intent to replace Brady. That's right from Greg Bedard, who I don't love because he's sneaky, but I believe that piece of info because it sort of makes sense why JimmyG looked so ready Week 1, 2016, his 3rd season in NE.

Sitdham could look the same next Sept.

 

[PatsRebuild]

lol

Wow.

When I was young, I never saw Orr play, but I loved Bourque. All of my older relatives would say "he's not Orr"....Umm, did I say he was that level? Nope. But, he was great, obviously. LIke, really great. If there was no Orr, Bourque would be the defenseman standard in NHL history, IMO.

The point is, no one will be Orr or Brady, but the next guy that comes in can be good, really good, or maybe GREAT, even if not that level.

Get it?

Not everything in life is a black and white. It is for people who lack IQ and skipped college without critical thinking skills, though.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Wow. You just cited something and have the wrong info. HE ASKED TO TRADE FOR JIMMY, not Brady. He admits it was a half joke. Kraft over-ruled BB which is why BB is pissed he's being made a fool of right now during a pandemic.

He worked with JimmyG EVERYDAY with the intent to replace Brady. That's right from Greg Bedard, who I don't love because he's sneaky, but I believe that piece of info because it sort of makes sense why JimmyG looked so ready Week 1, 2016, his 3rd season in NE.

Sitdham could look the same next Sept.

Quoting Lynch is the wrong info, got it. They asked for Jimmy first (before the season) but he took a long shot on getting Brady and was rebuffed. If BB wanted to keep JG and move on from TB, why not explore the trade?

 

[PatsRebuild]

Quoting Lynch is the wrong info, got it. They asked for Jimmy first (before the season) but he took a long shot on getting Brady and was rebuffed. If BB wanted to keep JG and move on from TB, why not explore the trade?

Umm, he was quoted, and then you said the opposite.

Kraft OVER-RULED BB. He wanted to protect and make Brady happy, so it forced BB's hand. Just because Lynch casually made a joke to see BB's reaction, it didn't mean Kraft authorized BB to even consider it. Kraft made the call and it was never a real consideration for that reason.

That's how far back the crybaby Brady stuff goes. He then immediately starting skipping OTAs as a result, which I am sure REALLY chapped BB's behind and the coaches, too.

Don't be fooled. Selfish Tommy Boy who has EVERYTHING a human could ever want on this planet, got that too. Enabled primadonnas are bad for locker rooms, see the Moss 2010 trade amongst other moves BB has had to make.

We're just lucky BB slapped Brady late in 2018 to get us another SB one last time because he was playing like hot garbage down the stretch in 2018.

 

[RIpats88]

Understatement of the year. But bill stands by the QB who barely can pass for 100 yards

 

[The Brandon Five]

Umm, he was quoted, and then you said the opposite.

Kraft OVER-RULED BB. He wanted to protect and make Brady happy, so it forced BB's hand. Just because Lynch casually made a joke to see BB's reaction, it didn't mean Kraft authorized BB to even consider it. Kraft made the call and it was never a real consideration for that reason.

That's how far back the crybaby Brady stuff goes. He then immediately starting skipping OTAs as a result, which I am sure REALLY chapped BB's behind and the coaches, too.

Don't be fooled. Selfish Tommy Boy who has EVERYTHING a human could ever want on this planet, got that too. Enabled primadonnas are bad for locker rooms, see the Moss 2010 trade amongst other moves BB has had to make.

We're just lucky BB slapped Brady late in 2018 to get us another SB one last time because he was playing like hot garbage down the stretch in 2018.

That's some creative writing right there.

 

[captain stone]

Actually FS is a need. Devin will be what, 33 or 34 next year? We're set at SS but FS likely needs an apprentice.

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You can find good FSs throughout the draft...No need to use a top-100 pick on one next April when we have so many other, more pressing needs.

 

[sb1]

Understatement of the year. But bill stands by the QB who barely can pass for 100 yards

Doesn't say much for the alternatives on the roster, that's for sure.

 

[captain stone]

No way Stidham starts next season. Better chance of a reunion with Jimmy G.

Agreed, though I would still be a little surprised if Stid isn't at least in the building next season along with Dolegala, Cant/Fitz & a draftee.

 

[captain stone]

I am a diehard fan of 40 years, season tix in my family, names on the seats, who grew up going to games, knows the game stone cold and isn't an arrogant moron like the anti-BB media that likes to use this angle to lie to people.

In an era of misinformation for morons in this country, and even things like Spygate, Deflategate, and DocumentaryGate, it shapes how people think, as they lose their critical thinking skills in the process.

How do Brady, then JimmyG, set preseason records in franchise history, and then when Stidham breaks both those, there is a desire to eliminate the grooming of the guy who did that?

Care to answer that?

This means you wanted JimmyG gone as Brady's only back up by 2015.

You have no idea how stupid you look.

I am, and have been, on record as believing that, as soon as we are eliminated on Sunday, Stid should start the final two games of the season, for most of the same reasons you have stated.

Not sure how thinking that both he & Cant suck leads you to the conclusion that I somehow wanted Grop gone in 2015, as if one statement has anything whatsoever to do with the other.

Didn't know that "pre-season records" were an actual thing either.

Normally I would've placed you on Ignore for your last sentence, but I'll keep reading you for a while longer; though I will no longer respond to any of your posts directed at me, except through the usual HaHa icon.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Understatement of the year. But bill stands by the QB who barely can pass for 100 yards

Strange, isn't it? This season can't end soon enough, basically. We have a QB with cement shoes and the complete opposite of what BB's own ideal QB prototype needs to be.

I am wondering if this simply a combo of things like:

1. Get Sitdham super hungry for next year.
2. Protect him from injury due to not having enough top weapons available or ready, so just use a veteran QB instead to avoid lost confidence.
3. Needs an offseason to gauge his progress.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Are you new to this fanbase? Kraft and bozo Grier wildly overpaid (like his dumb son is doing in Miami right now) Bledsoe, a slow footed, out of date, aging QB, because it was the best they had, so a developmental QB behind Bledsoe.

There's only 1 QB that wasn't meant to be developmental that we know and that's JimmyG. Since BB kept Stidham as the lone back up in 2019, and he progressed so fast after being drafted, BB walked from a cheap Hoyer. This would lead one to deduce BB was spending time with him DAILY, knowing Brady was gone.

What does that tell you? I mean, do you people pay attention at all to what BB does or just whine when he doesn't deliver a Lombardi to your door every February? Get a grip.

"Pro Bowlers"?

LOL!!!

This is a hoot! Guess who doesn't go to "Pro Bowls"? Thuney. Hightower, Van Noy (they had to have liked him in the draft, which is why BB dealt for him), Edelman, James White (scatback), Andrews, McCourty, JC Jackson (2nd in the NFL last year), Jon Jones (best nickel in the conference), and on and and on and on......Do you watch the NFL?

Before that, Rodney Harrison didn't go, Bruschi, Vrabel, etc, etc...Face it, people are so jealous of NE's success they can't even give the proper people a Pro Bowl nod when they actually deserve it. Did Matt Light ever go to a Pro Bowl because he was the second best LT in the AFC behind Ogden in the AFC for a decade. Hmm...Wait, Matt Light sucked! Damn that BB! He sucks! haha

Everyone knows the Pro Bowl is a joke, well, at least real NFL fans. These graphics the media puts up there are just there to take digs at BB becaseu they know they can't mock his coaching.

Any more lies we need debunked today? How does it feel to be so easily led by the media?

Inferior players constantly go to "Pro Bowls" who are not as good as these players I just listed.

Dumb dumb it’s not about who shows up to the pro bowl. It’s about who get selected.

we used to have selections all the time from our drafts. Since 2013, we have had 0.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I am, and have been, on record as believing that, as soon as we are eliminated on Sunday, Stid should start the final two games of the season, for most of the same reasons you have stated.

Not sure how thinking that both he & Cant suck leads you to the conclusion that I somehow wanted Grop gone in 2015, as if one statement has anything whatsoever to do with the other.

Didn't know that "pre-season records" were an actual thing either.

Normally I would've placed you on Ignore for your last sentence, but I'll keep reading you for a while longer; though I will no longer respond to any of your posts directed at me, except through the usual HaHa icon.

He lost me when he started defending the selection of Sony over Chubb and said DK wouldn’t fit here because he has a ”low IQ” . Meanwhile Bb drafts three WRs who are dumb as rocks Price, Dobson, and Harry

 

[PatsRebuild]

I am, and have been, on record as believing that, as soon as we are eliminated on Sunday, Stid should start the final two games of the season, for most of the same reasons you have stated.

Not sure how thinking that both he & Cant suck leads you to the conclusion that I somehow wanted Grop gone in 2015, as if one statement has anything whatsoever to do with the other.

Didn't know that "pre-season records" were an actual thing either.

Normally I would've placed you on Ignore for your last sentence, but I'll keep reading you for a while longer; though I will no longer respond to any of your posts directed at me, except through the usual HaHa icon.

I would say impressing in a preseason for a rookie QB is actually vitally important, as is the eye test. A buddy of mine gave me grief in 2005 when I was immediately sold on Rodgers because it was "just preseason".

If you look the part, you look the part. For me, it's that simple. I saw it with Brady (he looked like a wiley veteran when he played his first preseason game), JimmyG and then Stidham. This would mean only Stidham is the outlier. You can have that opinion, and maybe it's true, but based on these patterns, I am thinking it's the opposite because of who are coach is. Ya know, he's kinda good and all.

The preseason proves he's at least pretty good, he needs reps with the 1, additional weaponry to help his confidence as well, continuity which ANY QB is going to have here with the OL quality and RB quality, and an offseason program, which he was not affforded this year. So, outside of a preseason last year, he hadn't played real games for 2 years now.

If you're accurate, the ball is on time, and you're spreading it around, which in the preseason and in the garbage time mop up duty when the team is being blown out and the pass rush can just tee off knowing you're not running the ball; that's not really an ideal environment to be convinced he can't do it.

Thanks for allowing me to grace your presence on a messageboard. I feel blessed and honored, as those kind of announcements are a big part of my life.

 

[Triumph]

No, it means, you're backed into a corner and have nothing. lmao

Keep dreaming homer.

You're wearing me down with your foolishness.