BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[PatsRebuild]

Nobody here is taking any cues from any of those azzholes.

Umm, you all do. You just don't know it.

 

[PatsRebuild]

No way Stidham starts next season. Better chance of a reunion with Jimmy G.

So, you think BB cuts Stidham and he kept him as the only back up to Brady last year, because BB was being irresponsible. Hmmm. Hoyer was very cheap and could have been a 3rd QB, so why do you think he did that?

What is your theory as to why Stidham forgot how to play the game in a matter of months? Just curious.

Keep in mind, GB kept Aaron Rodgers behind Favre for 3 years after I was sold on him his rookie year in preseason vs Dallas.

 

[PatsRebuild]

I gotta ask: Are you really Stevie or Brian?

I am a diehard fan of 40 years, season tix in my family, names on the seats, who grew up going to games, knows the game stone cold and isn't an arrogant moron like the anti-BB media that likes to use this angle to lie to people.

In an era of misinformation for morons in this country, and even things like Spygate, Deflategate, and DocumentaryGate, it shapes how people think, as they lose their critical thinking skills in the process.

How do Brady, then JimmyG, set preseason records in franchise history, and then when Stidham breaks both those, there is a desire to eliminate the grooming of the guy who did that?

Care to answer that?

This means you wanted JimmyG gone as Brady's only back up by 2015.

You have no idea how stupid you look.

 

[Ian]

The Pats picking # 32 has been debunked ad naseum.

BB loved Brady so much that he waited 6 rounds to take him in a 7 round draft.

Makes complete sense now. Haha

Also, for the revisitionist history fans, BB sent Rebein out to find a QB. BB never told Rebein specifically Brady.

Still can't believe Rehbein was only 45 when he died...that still boggles my mind. For a guy who was a pretty good coach and evaluator, makes you wonder how much better the drafting might have been over the next however many years if he hadn't passed - or if he'd still be with the organization today.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Still can't believe Rehbein was only 45 when he died...that still boggles my mind. For a guy who was a pretty good coach and evaluator, makes you wonder how much better the drafting might have been over the next however many years if he hadn't passed - or if he'd still be with the organization today.

Did you just claim Rhebein had power of the GM and BB didn't draft well because he died, as BB built a dynasty in the 2002, 2003, 2004 years out of those drafts?

There is no dynasty without his 2002, 2003 and 2004 drafts.

Numerous people have bad genes and end up falling victim to bad genes. I bet his dad died early, too.

 

[Ian]

Did you just claim Rhebein had power of the GM and BB didn't draft well because he died, as BB built a dynasty in the 2002, 2003, 2004 years out of those drafts?

There is no dynasty without his 2002, 2003 and 2004 drafts.

Numerous people have bad genes and end up falling victim to bad genes. I bet his dad died early, too.

No, but he had the ear of BB the GM. And I didn't say anything negative about BB. I'm just saying another late-round gem or two wouldn't have hurt, and we'll never know if Brady would have been Rehbein's only find that Bill liked.

Granted, he was a QB coach, but it's hard not to wonder what might have been if he might have been a part in scouting another offensive player given that he died so young. Pretty sure after finding Brady, he definitely would have had Belichick's trust

 

[PatsRebuild]

No, but he had the ear of BB the GM. And I didn't say anything negative about BB. I'm just saying another late-round gem or two wouldn't have hurt, and we'll never know if Brady would have been Rehbein's only find that Bill liked.

Granted, he was a QB coach, but it's hard not to wonder what might have been if he might have been a part in scouting another offensive player given that he died so young. Pretty sure after finding Brady, he definitely would have had Belichick's trust

So, seriously, just so you know no QB BB ever drafted, per Bedard (I don't love the guy, but he has knowledge bit. but still likes to take shots out of anger he didn't get more attention from BB when he took over for Gasper, which is the pattern from all these bozos), was ever intended to be anything more than a developmental back up. This means BB never drafted any QB as an idea that they would push Brady to possibly take over. Even Mallet in Rd 3, I think it was. All of others were intended to be true back ups, hopefully good ones. Davey, Mallett, etc, or whoever else. That's why he usually brought in UDFAs or street guys.

Something happened after 2013, though (because his 2007-2012 postseason play was awful overall in big games)..........The idea was to throw stuff at the wall, which can be good, and just see what happens. That's why BB had 3 rookie WRs and Edelman out there in 2013. He wanted Brady to adjust. Nope. Didn;t work. BB then drafts JimmyG knowing it HAS to work somehow.

I mean, seriously, do the math a bit....BB knows what he wants as a QB. Go back and read his Browns days ideal QB for the future. It's literally Brady. Once Brady wanted something away from what made him, BB saw enough and knew the ego took over...........Chasing Manning stats, etc....His postseason and his cerebral play got worse. BB then drafts JimmyG....Just saying. The FACT he worked with JimmyG daily after he drafted him witbhh Brady seeing it, is not a coincidence why Brady all of a sudden got more serious again and Jimmy is 5 better OC plays called in a SB with a ring.

None of this has anything to do with Rhebein. It has to do with BB being so annoyed he couldn't get Testaverde, the closest thing to a Phil Simms, he could get in 1992. Modell didn't relent until 1993. He's been scarred by not having a QB of his choice ready, and he had one in Jimmy.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I’m glad he noticed

 

[mgcolby]

Yep - we're going to see some major changes this offseason. I wonder if we'll punt on our entire receiving and TE corps. I'm wondering too if Bill is inclined to give Cam the benefit of the doubt and will want to see what he does when these problems are fixed. Sounds like he might be assuming it's at the right price....

Ok...as a pre-quirsor, I am several shots of fireball and few beers in. Definitely in that order!

I would say yes major changes are coming. 1. Bill does not enjoy losing. 2. We have a **** ton of cap space. 3. Bill does not ****ing enjoy losing!!!

He will not punt on our entire receiving corps. 1. Meyers is a keeper, QB be damned. I said this last year. Unfortunately 2019 Tommy didn't have the same patience. 2001-2012-13 Tommy would of loved, Jakoby. Plus Harry everyone's favorite "horse" is not quite dead yet! (ducking tomatoes).

Now the TE's how do you punt on two intriguing gentlemen that have complimenting but diverse talents?...After one ****ing year...and that ****ing year is...2020...like top 10 in the entire history of man kind? Kids need a break.

Cam...Cam...oh' how I loved thee in week three...but since...you've been ****! Sole long, farewell...I can still hear you cryin' and your jivin's been well..but you can keep...a walking....because your jiven's been hell...in walks any other...(ten points or $10 (to their favorite charity)) for anyone that understands that beyond the obvious.) Cam needs to go!

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My thoughts on this season starting after the pick 6!

1. Brady won't retire. No way in hell he walks off on that!
2. Brady won't leave NE (this season)...No way in hell he leaves NE on that!

Led to:

1. Well they are high on Stid. If he is solid, and we finish 6-10 (or better) and he showed continue signs of improvement from week 1-16. Then awesome we know we have our QB. Lets hit FA and the draft like we ****ing belong there! If we go 2-14 we know he sucks and bring on Trevah!!!
2. Then...They signed Cam: Why? He may lead us to 8-8 or even with some luck 10-6 and a playoff berth. But what is the point? We ain't (**** you grammar patrol) ****ing winning or even going to a SB with him. Its a waist of season or even multiple seasons. Unless...Stid beats him out! But if he doesn't a.) see point number two slightly above.... which I did not have a (w)hole lot of confidence in...then what the **** was the purpose of the losing season we all knew to expect?
3. Which led to the end of week 3...damn we almost beat the Seahawks a SB favorite, came down to a goal line stance...reminds me of Antwain (however he spelled his first name) Smith from 2001 against the Rams (I posted that here). I see lots of similarities...just the right vets, a solid young corps...and a driven QB.
4. That led to the ****hole thing called Covid...that kept our new anointed QB out, rescheduled etc... to have our team play the champs like champs. It was awesome and if not for the indecisiveness and the color blindness of things called Hoyer and 'Ham. We beat the champs...****ing right we are Buster..mother****ing...Douglas!
5. We are 2-2 and could be 4-0...look out NFL..
6. We have a bye then the lowly ****ing Broncos...forgetting our hideous most recent past. We lose!
7. The depleted 49ers flying across country with our Italian friend, no way he beats us...we can get a table in the streets in our old familiar place. BB and JG face to face...ooh rockets are red, rockets are white, you can have some blue dependent upon your appetite.

 

[mgcolby]

Ok...as a pre-quirsor, I am several shots of fireball and few beers in. Definitely in that order!

I would say yes major changes are coming. 1. Bill does not enjoy losing. 2. We have a **** ton of cap space. 3. Bill does not ****ing enjoy losing!!!

He will not punt on our entire receiving corps. 1. Meyers is a keeper, QB be damned. I said this last year. Unfortunately 2019 Tommy didn't have the same patience. 2001-2012-13 Tommy would of loved, Jakoby. Plus Harry everyone's favorite "horse" is not quite dead yet! (ducking tomatoes).

Now the TE's how do you punt on two intriguing gentlemen that have complimenting but diverse talents?...After one ****ing year...and that ****ing year is...2020...like top 10 in the entire history of man kind? Kids need a break.

Cam...Cam...oh' how I loved thee in week three...but since...you've been ****! Sole long, farewell...I can still hear you cryin' and your jivin's been well..but you can keep...a walking....because your jiven's been hell...in walks any other...(ten points or $10 (to their favorite charity)) for anyone that understands that beyond the obvious.) Cam needs to go!

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My thoughts on this season starting after the pick 6!

1. Brady won't retire. No way in hell he walks off on that!
2. Brady won't leave NE (this season)...No way in hell he leaves NE on that!

Led to:

1. Well they are high on Stid. If he is solid, and we finish 6-10 (or better) and he showed continue signs of improvement from week 1-16. Then awesome we know we have our QB. Lets hit FA and the draft like we ****ing belong there! If we go 2-14 we know he sucks and bring on Trevah!!!
2. Then...They signed Cam: Why? He may lead us to 8-8 or even with some luck 10-6 and a playoff berth. But what is the point? We ain't (**** you grammar patrol) ****ing winning or even going to a SB with him. Its a waist of season or even multiple seasons. Unless...Stid beats him out! But if he doesn't a.) see point number two slightly above.... which I did not have a (w)hole lot of confidence in...then what the **** was the purpose of the losing season we all knew to expect?
3. Which led to the end of week 3...damn we almost beat the Seahawks a SB favorite, came down to a goal line stance...reminds me of Antwain (however he spelled his first name) Smith from 2001 against the Rams (I posted that here). I see lots of similarities...just the right vets, a solid young corps...and a driven QB.
4. That led to the ****hole thing called Covid...that kept our new anointed QB out, rescheduled etc... to have our team play the champs like champs. It was awesome and if not for the indecisiveness and the color blindness of things called Hoyer and 'Ham. We beat the champs...****ing right we are Buster..mother****ing...Douglas!
5. We are 2-2 and could be 4-0...look out NFL..
6. We have a bye then the lowly ****ing Broncos...forgetting our hideous most recent past. We lose!
7. The depleted 49ers flying across country with our Italian friend, no way he beats us...we can get a table in the streets in our old familiar place. BB and JG face to face...ooh rockets are red, rockets are white, you can have some blue dependent upon your appetite.

 

[Guts]

So, seriously, just so you know no QB BB ever drafted, per Bedard (I don't love the guy, but he has knowledge bit. but still likes to take shots out of anger he didn't get more attention from BB when he took over for Gasper, which is the pattern from all these bozos), was ever intended to be anything more than a developmental back up. This means BB never drafted any QB as an idea that they would push Brady to possibly take over. Even Mallet in Rd 3, I think it was. All of others were intended to be true back ups, hopefully good ones. Davey, Mallett, etc, or whoever else. That's why he usually brought in UDFAs or street guys.

Something happened after 2013, though (because his 2007-2012 postseason play was awful overall in big games)..........The idea was to throw stuff at the wall, which can be good, and just see what happens. That's why BB had 3 rookie WRs and Edelman out there in 2013. He wanted Brady to adjust. Nope. Didn;t work. BB then drafts JimmyG knowing it HAS to work somehow.

I mean, seriously, do the math a bit....BB knows what he wants as a QB. Go back and read his Browns days ideal QB for the future. It's literally Brady. Once Brady wanted something away from what made him, BB saw enough and knew the ego took over...........Chasing Manning stats, etc....His postseason and his cerebral play got worse. BB then drafts JimmyG....Just saying. The FACT he worked with JimmyG daily after he drafted him witbhh Brady seeing it, is not a coincidence why Brady all of a sudden got more serious again and Jimmy is 5 better OC plays called in a SB with a ring.

None of this has anything to do with Rhebein. It has to do with BB being so annoyed he couldn't get Testaverde, the closest thing to a Phil Simms, he could get in 1992. Modell didn't relent until 1993. He's been scarred by not having a QB of his choice ready, and he had one in Jimmy

From 2014-2019 TB had 5 of the greatest postseason performances in history

2014 comeback game vs Ravens
SB 49 vs Legion of Boom

2016 28-3 comeback greatest game ever

2017 SB 52 SB passing records in a loss

2018 AFCCG vs Chiefs

I'm not sure were the bad postseason play is? Was he perfect? Hell no but that run was amazing.

 

[PatsRebuild]

From 2014-2019 TB had 5 of the greatest postseason performances in history

2014 comeback game vs Ravens
SB 49 vs Legion of Boom

2016 28-3 comeback greatest game ever

2017 SB 52 SB passing records in a loss

2018 AFCCG vs Chiefs

I'm not sure were the bad postseason play is? Was he perfect? Hell no but that run was amazing.

Correct. From 2007-2012, Brady was not very good in postseasons.

 

[Triumph]

This is simply false. BB wondered why Brady was not being given more respect heading into the draft, if there were legit red flags, etc with him being pulled on and off the field at Michigan, and he wanted a new QB to replace Bledsoe. Yes. This info has been out there for years.

Umm, a new GM who ran away from the Jets after a disastrous Cleveland experience with an owner who wanted to keep Kosar over BB's choice of the quicker release Testaverde. is going to set his future on the lone decision of Rhebein? I don't think so. The final decision is BBs as GM. Why would he have Rhebein tell him what to do? Take on the input, sure. He does that with Scar and likely Ivan Fears input, but it's still his choice as GM. They BOTH liked him, not just Rheibien, hence why they narrowed it down to only 2 workouts with Brady and Rattay. It's not a random process and Rhebein wasn't telling BB what to do. It's laughable how immature the thinking is.

You people are so conditioned by the anti-BB media, it's downright scary. Yes, let's blame BB for any draft misses (which all teams have WORSE versions of) and then pretend he didn't make the call on Brady, keep him around as the 4th QB in 2000, and then develop him. Yes, let's all pretend.

Get your facts straight. Some of you were raised in a world of disinformation with the internet. Not a good look, as you can see by today's world.

 

[denverpatsfan]

So, you think BB cuts Stidham and he kept him as the only back up to Brady last year, because BB was being irresponsible. Hmmm. Hoyer was very cheap and could have been a 3rd QB, so why do you think he did that?

What is your theory as to why Stidham forgot how to play the game in a matter of months? Just curious.

Keep in mind, GB kept Aaron Rodgers behind Favre for 3 years after I was sold on him his rookie year in preseason vs Dallas.

I enjoy your optimistic glass half full posts. Seriously what has Stidham shown that would lead you to believe he is the future?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Did you just claim Rhebein had power of the GM and BB didn't draft well because he died, as BB built a dynasty in the 2002, 2003, 2004 years out of those drafts?

There is no dynasty without his 2002, 2003 and 2004 drafts.

Numerous people have bad genes and end up falling victim to bad genes. I bet his dad died early, too.

All of history might be different as McD would not be QB coach. So the Pats might have had 10 rings instead of 6.

.

 

[archstanton543]

Now the TE's how do you punt on two intriguing gentlemen that have complimenting but diverse talents?...After one ****ing year...and that ****ing year is...2020...like top 10 in the entire history of man kind? Kids need a break.

I dunno. I think the years humanity spent fighting wars are way more worse than 2020.

 

[203Pat]

B, at least. Wynn and Michel were hits. Dawson, Berrios and Crossen are all contributing in other places.

Michel is far from a "hit". Also I have never understood the argument that "Player X was a good pick because he is playing else where in the league". How the hell does that make it a good pick for Bill? The only one you could even argue for out of that group is Crossen because you got him in the 7th and flipped him for a 6th. If a player is picked by the New England Patriots and never contributes to the New England Patriots how exactly is that good?

 

[Kontradiction]

Correct. From 2007-2012, Brady was not very good in postseasons.

Ahhh. There you are. Makes sense now. Especially with as many posts as you’ve made since Monday. Holy ****. Back for round 5 or 6, Rusty? I’ve lost count now.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

He was available in 2020 for $5M - $6M, including incentives, because no other team in the league wanted him. The announcers on national TV are saying he should hang it up (ex-players ALWAYS support their fellow players but not in this case). After posting twice as many interceptions as completions in 2020 confirming what everyone expected, you want to give Cam a 100% raise in 2021?

You have to give Cam a raise, because he's basically making vet minimum right now

Even trash backup QBs make $5 million a year, we got Cam this year at garage sale prices

 

[JarOfMayo51]

You need to throw contested balls to Harry. Brady was never throwing those as his bread and butter is more in slot and the screen passes to james white. And Harry missed close to half a season.

And this season cam cannot even throw 10 yards without getting intercepted, how do we expect Harry to shine. I think Harry got selected in the wrong team. Stidham has a nice spiral and should really align with Harry skillset. Again he is a work in progress and need to be a bit patient with him. I hope he at least plays the last 2 games as a starter so that we know what he can do.

You draft works in progress in rounds 3 or later (maybe 2nd if they have huge upside).

AJ Brown was a more complete, NFL ready version of Harry and has been playing at an All-Pro level since being drafted with Tannehill throwing him the ball