Strategy for Next Season

[PatsRebuild]

I don't believe its McDaniels. He has been here since 2012 for his second stint and we've seen TE's get a lot of usage over the years. Gronk, Hernandez, Bennett. It only become non existent in 2019. Our guys just don't play well enough.

It's a hard position to fill anywhere, especially here with the playbook and overall expectations. If you look around the league, the rigors of an NFL TE is a hard transition for the position, especially for guys asked to block and catch. If you're just a move TE like a finesse style TE, that's different.

It took probably at least half the season to see Gronk/Hern got moving in 2010. And, they were elite talents.

It's very possible that with a proper offseason, both Asiasi and Keene, along with maybe a FA move like Hunter Henry, could make that position greatly improved for 2021.

 

[Mack Herron]

The way I see it, it all starts with the QB. I think we need to draft a good prospect early and sign a solid veteran who can at a minimum manage the position until the rookie can step in. I don’t see a place for Cam or Stidham on the roster. At the end of next year, we see if there is hope.

 

[SVN]

It has begun

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bill-belichick-is-not-right-guy-to-rebuild-these-patriots

 

[mgteich]

.The way I see it, it all starts with the QB. I think we need to draft a good prospect early and sign a solid veteran who can at a minimum manage the position until the rookie can step in. I don’t see a place for Cam or Stidham on the roster. At the end of next year, we see if there is hope.

Bill may think that Stidham should compete for the #3 QB position or the PS QB.

 

[Joker]

It has begun

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bill-belichick-is-not-right-guy-to-rebuild-these-patriots

yeah...Tanquay has begun hitting the Tanqueray...hard by the looks of it.

and please, if any of you actually take what the mega-moron Mutt has to say about the Pats seriously, I suggest you take up a surrender monkey pansy sport like girls jump rope....so sick of this know-it-all MORON. He'sa a back stabbing little twerpy mediot that carries a set of half empty glasses around with him every single day. Why he hasn't been busted in the mouth yet is the puzzle of the 21st century

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don't believe its McDaniels. He has been here since 2012 for his second stint and we've seen TE's get a lot of usage over the years. Gronk, Hernandez, Bennett. It only become non existent in 2019. Our guys just don't play well enough.

No I think he had to because Gronk is a HOF player. Look at this guy's history without O'Brien handing him Gronk. We had zero TE play 2005-08 with McD. St Louis had 83 total yards passing to TEs in 2011 when McD led the league's 32nd ranked worst offense. Denver didn't use TEs. And now the last 2 years he goes with Izzo and 40 year old Watson, since Gronk retired. McDaniels does not care about TEs. It's a huge flaw in his coaching.

 

[lancerman]

The way I see it, it all starts with the QB. I think we need to draft a good prospect early and sign a solid veteran who can at a minimum manage the position until the rookie can step in. I don’t see a place for Cam or Stidham on the roster. At the end of next year, we see if there is hope.

One probably will considerng that the other QB (or two) will be new and Bill will want someone in the system.

 

[jdlboot14]

I don’t agree with that at all. This offense stalled out at the end of last year with Tom freaking Brady. Any QB you can think of will dramatically look worse in this offense.

Tom all but admitted he checkout out mentally last year, and he notoriously blackballs young WR's, there were less weapons than this year, inferior OL, and a worse run game... so obviously Tom would be better than Cam, but with a better complimentary offense, you don't need the top tier QB - and few teams get one anyway. Look at Tannehill, Carr, Allen, Goff - these guys aren't top tier, and were doubted early on, but can run their respective offenses well enough. Pats could be back on top with a guy like that.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It has begun

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bill-belichick-is-not-right-guy-to-rebuild-these-patriots

Wasn't Tanguay let go from NBC Sports Boston recently? Seems like a guy trying to get "a lot of clicks" or "go viral" to resurrect his career.

 

[Boomer B]

Tom all but admitted he checkout out mentally last year, and he notoriously blackballs young WR's, there were less weapons than this year, inferior OL, and a worse run game... so obviously Tom would be better than Cam, but with a better complimentary offense, you don't need the top tier QB - and few teams get one anyway. Look at Tannehill, Carr, Allen, Goff - these guys aren't top tier, and were doubted early on, but can run their respective offenses well enough. Pats could be back on top with a guy like that.

When did Tom “all but admit checking out mentally”?

 

[PatsRebuild]

Wasn't Tanguay let go from NBC Sports Boston recently? Seems like a guy trying to get "a lot of clicks" or "go viral" to resurrect his career.

See? And yet, some people who post here, will lap that garbage up hook, line and sinker.

Tom all but admitted he checkout out mentally last year, and he notoriously blackballs young WR's, there were less weapons than this year, inferior OL, and a worse run game... so obviously Tom would be better than Cam, but with a better complimentary offense, you don't need the top tier QB - and few teams get one anyway. Look at Tannehill, Carr, Allen, Goff - these guys aren't top tier, and were doubted early on, but can run their respective offenses well enough. Pats could be back on top with a guy like that.

The D and STs won all the games in 2019 except for the game where Brown debuted vs Miami, ironically a game the D pitched a shutout. I mean, anyone denying what Brady did to the team and the fans, is either very young or in complete weirdoland with Brady himself. It sucks, but you have to accept it.

Ironic beyond belief that the great team player QB he was went out the way he did, because he wouldn't get a contract until 45 at 25 mil+ per year. The fact he only got 25 mil per from one team, maybe two (Chicago was rumored as his second choice), speaks volume of his complete and bizarre removal from reality. How can a guy who took a little less for the team for approx. 5 years (highest paid QB ever in 2010), all of a sudden think maxing it out as he ages, during a needed rebuild is the elixir? It does not make sense. His wife thinks it does, though. I hope he enjoys his boat and creepy Florida. Makes you sick during a pandemic to think Tom Brady was somehow a victim. He's an oligarch as is she, and it's all that's wrong with the world.

 

[PatsRebuild]

The way I see it, it all starts with the QB. I think we need to draft a good prospect early and sign a solid veteran who can at a minimum manage the position until the rookie can step in. I don’t see a place for Cam or Stidham on the roster. At the end of next year, we see if there is hope.

Another one who knows more than BB.

Unreal.

1. Only back up for Brady in 2019 as a rookie. Only other to do it was JimmyG, after Stidham breaks Brady and JimmyGs preseason records, a clear indicator, there is something there alongside the eye test.
2. Shredded the #1D in practice in December last year when he got 1st team reps.
3. Pandemic.
4. No offseason program.
5. Stidham sucks.

Wow.

Just wow.

 

[PatsRebuild]

No but I trust Bill who clearly doesn't think Stidham is all that. Or he would be starting over a guy who can't pass.

Or there's a pandemic and time was missed, so it's a lame duck year and he doesn't want to get him in negative positions without a full compliment of personnel at WR and TE.

You have a hard time understanding context. I trust BB more than you because he drafted him, VERY LIKLEY worked daily with him last year knowing Brady was gone and needing a guy, and cut Hoyer over knowing how quick his progress was as a result. I like facts. You don't.

Again, if he cuts Stidham at the end of the year, you win this debate. If he doesn't, you lose.

 

[sb1]

Or there's a pandemic and time was missed, so it's a lame duck year and he doesn't want to get him in negative positions without a full compliment of personnel at WR and TE.

You have a hard time understanding context. I trust BB more than you because he drafted him, VERY LIKLEY worked daily with him last year knowing Brady was gone and needing a guy, and cut Hoyer over knowing how quick his progress was as a result. I like facts. You don't.

Again, if he cuts Stidham at the end of the year, you win this debate. If he doesn't, you lose.

I like facts too. Stidham went from QB1 to QB3 in camp/practices. He has not shown he is an NFL QB. Bill is keeping him on the bench despite having a starter who can’t pass. So.... draw your own conclusions.

It ain’t rocket science.

I guarantee Pats will find someone better than that.

 

[PatsRebuild]

I like facts too. Stidham went from QB1 to QB3 in camp/practices. He has not shown he is an NFL QB. Bill is keeping him on the bench despite having a starter who can’t pass. So.... draw your own conclusions.

It ain’t rocket science.

I guarantee Pats will find someone better than that.

Well, whatever the injury was, that's why he went to QB3 because someone had to take 2nd team reps if the 2nd QB got dinged up and lost time. Maybe it's a comprehension issue for you? If he's #2 now, what does that tell you? You think he did that just because or to avoid being mocked by you on this board. I don't think so.

It means there's a lot of moving parts during a serious flipping worldwide crisis during a pandemic!! Holy mackerel. Yes, it ain't rocket science. I guarantee you, you're not smarter or better than BB at his job.

 

[Joker]

Holy mackerel. Yes, it ain't rocket science. I guarantee you, you're not smarter or better than BB at his job.

well...if it's an argument you're looking for, you'll find it here.Half the board has already greased the skids for BB's departure. It's the old "familiarity breeds contempt" phenomenon. The supreme idiot, Muttnanski went as far as to say tonight "I want NOTHING to do with Belechick's sons!!!! Not on MY Patriots!!!". With idiots like this commanding broad swaths of the media these days, it's easy for any Jill or Joe to pop off about how THEY know more than BB and how time has "passed him by". ADHD riddled little twerp fantasy cripples have all the answers these days.

 

[luuked]

Stidham WAS the guy. It wasn't Hoyer. He already beat his behind out in 2019, impressively so.

Which is why Stidham ended up QB3 until after Hoyer's KC debacle. But please go on rewriting history. The reality is that Stidham didn't show any jump this preseason to the point that Hoyer ended up ahead of him in the depth chart for the first 4 weeks.

Riddle me this...If Stidham wasn't on track to start in their plans, pre-pandemic, with BB knowing he was walking from Brady, last offseason, like you said, why didn't they sign a veteran QB besides Hoyer, trade for one or draft one? Why did they wait until after the 4th of July to have Newton fly up here for his debut with the "calculus" playbook?

Because they had no cap space to sign a vet QB until shortly before camp. All the cap space that suddenly became available due to opt outs, AB money ect. happened AFTER Cam signed otherwise even his contract would have looked a lot different and substantially more expensive.

While I agree with your overall point that there is no reason for a "major overhaul" you are romanticizing Stidham's offseason.

 

[lancerman]

Tom all but admitted he checkout out mentally last year, and he notoriously blackballs young WR's, there were less weapons than this year, inferior OL, and a worse run game... so obviously Tom would be better than Cam, but with a better complimentary offense, you don't need the top tier QB - and few teams get one anyway. Look at Tannehill, Carr, Allen, Goff - these guys aren't top tier, and were doubted early on, but can run their respective offenses well enough. Pats could be back on top with a guy like that.

Goff has McVay who is one of the best offensive coaches in the league and has consistently had a very strong offensive cast. He also was a 1st overall and much more expected of him than the average QB. In 2018 he was considered just a dip below Mahomes.

Allen was a top 10 draft pick, he might actually have he strongest arm in the league. He is currently throwing Diggs who is a workhorse and the engine for that offense. We don’t have a receiver half as good

Tannehill was a top 10. He showed huge flashes of potential in Miami to the point where he was considered the other good QB in the division next to Brady, when he left the team was all time bad and then he went to an offense that had good receivers and the best back in the league to take the bulk of the work load

Derek Carr was considered an MVP candidate at one point and the year he got injured most people felt it gave us a straight shot to the SB. He’s throwing to Agholor, Renfrow and Witten which I would clearly take over what we have.

These were all QB’s that always had a ton of talent and showed ability and are now thriving under much better offenses

 

[Kdo5]

No I think he had to because Gronk is a HOF player. Look at this guy's history without O'Brien handing him Gronk. We had zero TE play 2005-08 with McD. St Louis had 83 total yards passing to TEs in 2011 when McD led the league's 32nd ranked worst offense. Denver didn't use TEs. And now the last 2 years he goes with Izzo and 40 year old Watson, since Gronk retired. McDaniels does not care about TEs. It's a huge flaw in his coaching.

What makes you think McDaniels was the one who asked for Izzo & 40 y/o Watson? The man isn’t in charge of personnel.

But anyhow I’m not really arguing about what he has done in STL. In 2005-2008 he had Ben Watson who was an important offensive piece for years. How does that constitute zero TE play??

 

[Kdo5]

Excuse me? He created the pandemic? How much more evidence do you need? Stidham WAS the guy. It wasn't Hoyer. He already beat his behind out in 2019, impressively so.

It's very reasonable thinking to think BB would bring a vet to push Stidham, but it never happened all spring. Never happened. And then Joshy saw Newton sitting there, got wood, pitched the idea, and voila, was given the job. He didn't earn anything other than working late, acting like a tool with his antics, and then proceeding to lose 3-4 games for this team with some of the most unaware QB play I've ever seen in 40 years of watching football.

The team does not need a "major overhaul" at all. It's 3/4 of the way built and being rebuilt as we speak. Once the number comes in for the cap, which is rumored to be anywhere from the 40-75 reduced range, I would imagine that will trigger the Lawrence Guy and Andrews extensions, maybe White and we'll see what happens with Thuney. It doesn't make sense that these VERY GOOD players, still in their prime, aren't inked. It's the complete opposite of what he usually does, so the unknown cap is likely why these guys didn't already have extensions this summer, Andrews's blood clot not withstanding. When Hightower retires, BB gets more cap space. Right now NE is 4th in cap space, so this means with the cap tumbling, a lot of nice players will be available at likely reduced prices for BB to pounce strategically in FA. Think Adrian Phillips, but it might at spots like 3-4 DE, WR, TE, maybe MLB. You know, the few need spots we could target in the draft for youth as well. You know, the legendary stuff BB is known for as a dynasty builder. lol

Riddle me this...If Stidham wasn't on track to start in their plans, pre-pandemic, with BB knowing he was walking from Brady, last offseason, like you said, why didn't they sign a veteran QB besides Hoyer, trade for one or draft one? Why did they wait until after the 4th of July to have Newton fly up here for his debut with the "calculus" playbook?

Answer? Stidham was impressive and the guy for the rebuild. Ignoring the pandemic in this sequence, is one of the most disingenuous things I've seen. This isn't a video game like some here think it is. He was the guy, but this thing called Covid19 happened.

The team has lost 3-4 games by Newton alone this year. So, no, they don't need a "major overhaul". This isn't 2009 when they had some weaker drafts in weak draft pools in 2006, 2007, 2008, where BB traded out or used picks to get veterans like Moss and Welker.

A major overhaul was the 2009 reality that picks were needed so he ended up dealing off Vrabel, Seymour, Cassel, then Moss, etc. See the difference? He's already been building, he wasn't trying to stretch out the first dynasty just like he's walked from this second dynasty guys like Hogan, Van Noy, Amemdola, Gronk, Flowers, and obviously Brady.

I mean, it took a 2nd SB for people in here to even respect the McCourtys. Chungs, Hightowers of the world. Sad, really. That's how ridiculous some of our fans are in the fanbase...Everyone sucks, the sky is falling, BB is a big meanie and ruined my life, etc. Embarrassing.

Where's that Wozzy guy anyway?

Did you really just pass off blame for the QB personnel from Bill to Josh?

It’s okay to admit Belichick ****ed up this one.