Oficial Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Cardinals

[PATSYLICIOUS]

He was unreal that year. The sad thing for him was he ran into the Broncos in the SB.

So the last thing people remember was him having a statline of:

18/41, 43.9%, 6.5 average, 0TD, 1INT, 55 passer rating

or was it

27/56, 48.2%, 5.5 average, 1TD, 2INT, 56.4 passer rating.

I can't tell, one of those stat lines was Tom Brady in the AFCCG against the same team two weeks prior.

Yeah that defense was just insane towards the end. Cam had a much better team around him than Brady though especially with our depleted OL, and that failure to dive for the fumble left a really sour taste too, it was still a one score game at that point.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Cam was actually really good in 2018. Then he got injured and they rushed him back for 2 games in 2019 and decided he was still hurt and never should have come back. Unfortunately think it all derailed him too much and missing some time after Covid undid any progress he had been making. Feel bad for him

Yeah 2018 was one of his best years.

 

[lancerman]

Yeah that defense was just insane towards the end. Cam had a much better team around him than Brady though especially with our depleted OL, and that failure to dive for the fumble left a really sour taste too, it was still a one score game at that point.

So here's the crazy thing about the Broncos. Early in the season, people were getting annoyed with them because they were barely getting by slugging out games against teams like the 5-11 Ravens, 7-9 Raiders, and 3-13 Browns. And I mean barely getting by. That Browns team took them to OT. But then they kicked the **** out of the Packers and gave us our first loss.

After that people started to realize "okay their offense sucks, but my god that defense is for real". They were even still winning when Brock took over (and they did beat us at full strength initially). So they were just one of the all time great defenses. We should have beat them, but holy hell did they take it to us for most of that game

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

So here's the crazy thing about the Broncos. Early in the season, people were getting annoyed with them because they were barely getting by slugging out games against teams like the 5-11 Ravens, 7-9 Raiders, and 3-13 Browns. And I mean barely getting by. That Browns team took them to OT. But then they kicked the **** out of the Packers and gave us our first loss.

After that people started to realize "okay their offense sucks, but my god that defense is for real". They were even still winning when Brock took over (and they did beat us at full strength initially). So they were just one of the all time great defenses. We should have beat them, but holy hell did they take it to us for most of that game

I remember that, they would do *just* enough to win games. Really if it didn't piss me off to no avail i would have been pretty appreciative of their resilience that year (and defense)

 

[lancerman]

Yeah 2018 was one of his best years.

He was considered a bit of a darkhorse MVP candidate until his injury (Mahomes and Goff were always ahead). Seriously it's a shame that he got injured and they rushed him. Kinda screwed his career. I was hoping he could get back on the saddle here. But the damage was done and this probably wasn't the best situation for a rehab.

 

[Ring 6]

Someone can explain to him?

they not called it because it was blindside but because he blocked toward his own goal line which you are not allowed to do that in this situation

Wrong

 

[lancerman]

I remember that, they would do *just* enough to win games. Really if it didn't piss me off to no avail i would have been pretty appreciative of their resilience that year (and defense)

Yup. If you didn't know that they were literally doing the same thing to all the good teams as the bad teams, you would just think they were pretty mediocre. One of the strangest seasons I ever saw. I actually moved out to Denver the year after it happened, so I heard all about that team non stop.

 

[Ross12]

2005 - Alex Smith
2009 - Matthew Stafford
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Andrew Luck
2015 - Jameis Winston
2016 - Jared Goff
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2019 - Kyler Murray
2020 - Joe Burrow

Cut this down to only active players, and bolded the ones who have had at least one year where they looked better than "above average". Not a whole lot of guys, and I am considering this year to include Murray, otherwise it'd be even shorter... I think Burrow will be good but obviously it's too soon to tell.

Side note, I had to double check if Sam Bradford was even in the league anymore... looks like he's not. Guy hasn't even been on a team since '18... from being drafted first overall 2010 to out of the league entirely 8 years later, yikes. That's not even a Ryan Leaf situation, the guy just sucked. Talk about a cautionary tale.

 

[lancerman]

Cut this down to only active players, and bolded the ones who have had at least one year where they looked better than "above average". Not a whole lot of guys, and I am considering this year to include Murray, otherwise it'd be even shorter... I think Burrow will be good but obviously it's too soon to tell.

Side note, I had to double check if Sam Bradford was even in the league anymore... looks like he's not. Guy hasn't even been on a team since '18... from being drafted first overall 2010 to out of the league entirely 8 years later, yikes. That's not even a Ryan Leaf situation, the guy just sucked. Talk about a cautionary tale.

Alex Smith was good. Solid reliable franchise guy. When he was in Reid's system he looked amazing as well. Goff is alot more wishy washy, and gets hate for the SB, but he was a legit MVP candidate up there with Mahomes in 2018, he made the SB, he's also putting together a pretty good year.

On that list Winston is the only one I really consider a dissapointment and everyone kinda knew he was going to have significant growing pains and that it wasn't a particularly strong QB class. Baker it's a bit too early. Bradford was injury prone. That was the real issue with him. He had two ACL tears in two consecutive years. And had a season ending high ankle sprain before that. Then he went to the Eagles, and he did well but Pederson came on board and basically traded for the number 2 pick to grab Wentz so he could have his guy and Bradford asked to be traded to Minnesota. He had another decent year, but the following year he was IR'd due to issues from his previous injuries, and then went to Arizona where he road the bench and just wasn't the same. Kinda sad really

 

[Patsgofor4]

How about Dugger today? I like this kid. Was a weird pick, but he’s panning out. Quite the athlete.

Captain Stone thinks that he is terrible, which is great news for Dugger’s NFL future.

 

[Twentytothree]

Do you really want to bet on two historic outlier situations and make team building decisions based on that? Or do you want to go by historical trends that suggest you have the best chance of drafting a franchise QB at the top of the first round and your odds rapidly decrease the further away you get? It's just not the most pragmatic way to do it. It's very easy to say "oh the draft's a crapshoot". But you either keep picking high in the draft or pray you get exceptionally lucky. The truth is, most of us will likely be dead before another elite QB comes out the 5th or later rounds.

Let's see. 10 teams with the current best betting odds to win the SB: Chiefs, Saints, Steelers, Packers, Seahawks, Rams, Bucs, Bills, Titans, Ravens. Looking at a cross-section of NFL power rankings gives largely the same list (unsurprisingly).

7 out of 10 acquired their starting QB in FA or outside of the top 10 in the draft. Only top 5 pick is Jared Goff (happy to be corrected if I missed someone). Your thesis doesn't seem to be supported by fact.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Let's not spin history. It was noteworthy Rodgers dropped yes. But he was never being talked about like a #1 or top5 pick. I'd say Drew Brees dropping was more of a thing because Brees at the time was the all time ncaa passing record holder.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Rodgers fell to 24. It was considered the most shocking drops in 20 years as he was projected to possibly go number 1 overall.
Once he didn't, not many teams after the Niner's needed a QB. However he was so good that a team that had Brett Farve still decided to go grab him and cause a controversy. He was probably the biggest draft drop in at least 30 years. Brady is the most prolific QB to come out of the 6th round. In fact you have to go back to the pre Super Bowl days to find someone drafted as late as Brady who was an elite franchise QB.

Do you really want to bet on two historic outlier situations and make team building decisions based on that? Or do you want to go by historical trends that suggest you have the best chance of drafting a franchise QB at the top of the first round and your odds rapidly decrease the further away you get? It's just not the most pragmatic way to do it. It's very easy to say "oh the draft's a crapshoot". But you either keep picking high in the draft or pray you get exceptionally lucky. The truth is, most of us will likely be dead before another elite QB comes out the 5th or later rounds.

Let's not spin history. It was noteworthy Rodgers dropped yes. But he was never being talked about like a #1 or top5 pick. I'd say Drew Brees dropping was more of a thing because Brees at the time was the all time ncaa passing record holder.

 

[Triumph]

The Pats offense is a QB away from being relevant again.

Bird and Myers are good enough. Harris and White too. The OL is top shelf.

Need a TE and another WR.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The Pats offense is a QB away from being relevant again.

Bird and Myers are good enough. Harris and White too. The OL is top shelf.

Need a TE and another WR.

And a new offensive coordinator

 

[bresna]

I used to think Pereira was a mouthpiece for the NFL, always agreeing with blown calls. Now I see he's just an idiot:

 

[Triumph]

And a new offensive coordinator

 

[luuked]

The game was a total stinker from the entire offense.

The QB had his worst performance of the year reminiscent of that 2 game stretch after the COVID break. Early on overthrows to Meyers, that garbage pass to White on a screen that made James jump to catch the ball and his repeated inability to take dump offs when the play isnt there.

The OL -- most visibly Eluemenor -- just kept screwing up in pass pro and in the run game. On that sweep to Harry he literally ran around clueless not knowing who to block and so Harry was stuffed behind the LOS. On another outside run with Harris he looked so uncomfortable in space barely even pushing the DE to the side. I get that he is an emergency LT but you just have to be better in the run game or simply run more behind Mason/Onwenu.

On the INT we had the rare occurrence of James White screwing up protection and allowing a free rusher to Newton.



And if you watch the replay you can see from White's body language that he knew right away. Before someone says Newton should have taken a sack here this was by design a quick pass. He dropped back and went straight into his throwing motion. I am not sure exactly when he should have had time to see a rusher who came in free from a borderline blindsight angle at him.

It was really a big turd but in the end they willed themselves into scoring just enough points with big help from the defense and ST.

The defense had a similarly efficient game as against the Ravens. Butler makes that much of a difference. Too bad he wasn't available last week against the Texans.. it would have made a lot of difference.

Great job by the secondary more or less locking down the Cards except for a couple absolutely ridiculous throws by Kyler. The one on third & long to their TE while falling backwards stands out. What a friggin completion.

The game showcased once again one of the big issues plaguing the team this year which is lack of depth.

Something that BB said was much different from previous iterations due to cap concerns through Spring but also opt outs before camp. But then again it was supposed to be a clean-up year anyway so thats almost kinda by design.

In the end it was a dramatic and exciting and that is what I am here for. Still gotta run the table and hope that the games of others go our way for all of it to matter.

 

[luuked]

I used to think Pereira was a mouthpiece for the NFL, always agreeing with blown calls. Now I see he's just an idiot:

My stream crapped out right after the tackle so I didn't get any replays of it. Initially I thought it was a bad call given that Cam wasn't out of bounds but how can anyone watch the replay and argue it wasn't helmet to helmet ?

This is not a judgement call. He hit him in the helmet and that's a penalty. Similar to the block on Jennings if people wanna be upset they should be at the rules and not at the calls.

 

[bresna]

My stream crapped out right after the tackle so I didn't get any replays of it. Initially I thought it was a bad call given that Cam wasn't out of bounds but how can anyone watch the replay and argue it wasn't helmet to helmet ?

This is not a judgement call. He hit him in the helmet and that's a penalty. Similar to the block on Jennings if people wanna be upset they should be at the rules and not at the calls.

Look at this pic... How there are about 3 stories on Yahoo! Sports right now about how the Cardinals got screwed is beyond me.