Oficial Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Cardinals

[Ochmed Jones]

The officiating in this game was an all time low, even by nfl standards.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Well, it seems like he’s got rocks in his feet when he runs. He’s a pretty good blocker as a receiver so I feel like if he gains like 20-25 lbs, he’d be a decent TE. He really doesn’t do one thing particularly well, but he’s okay at blocking. That’s honestly the only way I can see him staying in the league.

Yea. I still don't see why he'd be a decent TE. He can't use speed nor size to get open. I don't think he's an amazing blocker. I'm not sure he'd be better than Asiasi or Izzo.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ross -

Giants - Jones is their guy. This is only his 2nd year. They aren't moving on from him.
Cowboys - They used the Exclusive tag on Dak to send the message that he's their guy. The injury isn' going to change that.
Texans - Watson is signed through 2026. He's got $45M in guarantees coming the next 2 years. There is no way for them to move on unless they trade him. I don't see that happening.
Eagles - They just drafted Jalen Hurts to be the guy after Wentz.
Broncos - Lock is also only in his 2nd season. They're not going to give up on him this early.

I don't see the 49ers as a team looking for a QB because they like Mullens. Also, they have the tie-breaker over us because of their win. Which puts them below us if the records are tied.

As for Washington, with as bad as that division is, they are likely to win that division as anyone else. And that puts them in the bottom 16 regardless of their record. And while it's known that Haskins isn't going to be their guy, it remains to be seen if they are going to invest in a new guy in 2021 or 2022.

I understand your points, but Josh Rosen is very recent and might be looked at as a precedent. Rosen was drafted in 2018 and Murray was drafted in 2019 and Rosen was traded. Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Broncos and 49ers could all chose to follow that precedent.

 

[MoreBellhorn]

Yea. I still don't see why he'd be a decent TE. He can't use speed nor size to get open. I don't think he's an amazing blocker. I'm not sure he'd be better than Asiasi or Izzo.

I don’t either. I just believe that’s his only path to a NFL career. Otherwise, he’s completely toast.

 

[Nunchucks]

Nice win, defense played well when it mattered, refs sucked, and cam is terrible.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Can someone explain to you that the RULE clearly states that it has to be a HIT to the Head or NECK area while blocking towards his own goal for it to be a "BlindSide" block. Again. Read the RULE instead of making sh!t up.

I don’t know what to tell you.
Rule 12, section 2. Article 7 is pretty clear.
2020 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

 

[patsinthesnow]

pats ppg differential vs teams with winning records +6 (4-3 record)

The three losses:

• 35-30 with 1 yard to go against the Seahawks
• 26-10 against the Chiefs. Score was 19-10 before a tipped pick 6
• 24-21 against the Bills

Now will they show up vs. the 3-8 Chargers to make the season interesting.

 

[sb1]

Recruiting? Hmmm...

 

[lancerman]

pats ppg differential vs teams with winning records +6 (4-3 record)

The three losses:

• 35-30 with 1 yard to go against the Seahawks
• 26-10 against the Chiefs. Score was 19-10 before a tipped pick 6
• 27-24 against the Bills

Now will they show up vs. the 3-8 Chargers to make the season interesting.

What would make things interesting is if the Ravens kept getting Covid positives, the season got pushed and the NFL did it's potential 8 game playoff. If that happened, the Patriots would need to find a way to jump the 6-4 Ravens (we have the tiebreaker) and 6-5 Raiders (again we have the tiebreaker).

I want to say that's doable. But let's just assume the Ravens lose to the Steelers and go 6-5. We still need to make up a win and the Ravens have Dallas, Cleveland, Jacksonville, NYG, and Cincinatti on their schedule. You are basically hoping for a slip up AND we have to win out. Raiders on the otherhand could lose to the Colts or Dolphins and if they did both we wouldn't even need to win out. Just drop the Buffalo game and pull out the Miami game. But even if we get lucky with an 8 team playoff format we still are likely one game on the outside looking in. As it stands now we'd also need to find a way to slip in front of the Colts.

It's going to be exceptionally difficult and I think of all the team's I mentioned, having the Rams/Dolphins/Bills is probably one of the harder stretches and we have to pretty much go 3-0 to have any real shot at the playoffs against them.

 

[woolster22]

I am surprised to see that Damien Harris averaged only 3.4 yards per carry (47 yards on 14 rushes).

I know there were a few attempts that resulted little or no gain, but watching the game it felt as though his average ypc was much more than that. It's nice to see a running back just vertically attacking the LOS with such force.

He stacked a couple 0s on late. 2 or 3 IIRC. It was a feast or famine day.

 

[DaBruinz]

I understand your points, but Josh Rosen is very recent and might be looked at as a precedent. Rosen was drafted in 2018 and Murray was drafted in 2019 and Rosen was traded. Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Broncos and 49ers could all chose to follow that precedent.

Rosen is the exception. He was drafted by the previous GM and Coach in AZ. It's extremely unlikely to happen with the Giants, Eagles and Broncos. The situation doesn't apply to the Cowboys and 49ers.

 

[jdlboot14]

There is a reason.... Bill thinks he’s worse. He also has seen live game time multiple times and got first team reps in the off season.

There’s no reason to start someone you don’t believe in simply because the guy ahead of him is struggling

He might have gotten a couple days of 1st team reps the very beginning of camp - but Cam took over immediately. And yes, if the season is over, and Cam won't be here next year, there is every reason to give him a legitimate look for the last 3 games. I'm not saying he'll be better, but we (nor BB) KNOWS he'll be worse! That's the whole point. A few snaps here and there isn't enough to really know.

 

[NashuaPats]

I get it as it's a bizarre call, but why even do it to give the refs a reason to throw the flag?

He was closing in on Gunner fast.

 

[NashuaPats]

I don’t either. I just believe that’s his only path to a NFL career. Otherwise, he’s completely toast.

I agree with you, but I suspect it still wouldn’t work out. He has awful football instincts

 

[Delicate Genius]

I don’t know what to tell you.
Rule 12, section 2. Article 7 is pretty clear.
2020 NFL Rulebook | NFL Football Operations

I understand that's the rule (and thanks for posting the tweets/rulebook) but Jennings wasn't just attempting to make a block. They both braced to hit each other at virtually the same time. I don't think the rule is so supposed to apply in this case, otherwise Jennings is being asked to allow himself to get plowed over by another player and risk injury. He's allowed to defend himself, which is what it looks like he was doing.

If Turner was only running to track down Gunner, and Jennings laid into him, then I would agree with the flag.

 

[jdlboot14]

I'm assuming you're talking about Stid?

While I don't disagree, you'd think if Bill had faith in him he'd be playing by now? He must think Cam is a better option. Also, he started Hoyer over Stid during the Chiefs game. He at the very least probably isn't ready yet.

People keep saying BB knows Stid sucks and isn't better than Cam. But that has nothing to do with why Cam is the starter. BB knows veteran leadership is more important after the GOAT left this offense rudderless. Cam has more experience and confidence, and is a great people person. However, as his confidence wanes, as his production implodes, things might be changing... we'll see in the next few weeks. NO ONE can deny how horrendously inconsistent he's been. A few good ropes to Meyers per game, and a bunch of ridiculous head scratchers.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I understand that's the rule (and thanks for posting the tweets/rulebook) but Jennings wasn't just attempting to make a block. They both braced to hit each other at virtually the same time. I don't think the rule is so supposed to apply in this case, otherwise Jennings is being asked to allow himself to get plowed over by another player and risk injury. He's allowed to defend himself, which is what it looks like he was doing.

If Turner was only running to track down Gunner and Jennings laid into him, then I would agree with the flag.

Turner lowered his shoulder when he saw Jennings stop and come back to block him probably to protect himself

 

[lancerman]

He might have gotten a couple days of 1st team reps the very beginning of camp - but Cam took over immediately. And yes, if the season is over, and Cam won't be here next year, there is every reason to give him a legitimate look for the last 3 games. I'm not saying he'll be better, but we (nor BB) KNOWS he'll be worse! That's the whole point. A few snaps here and there isn't enough to really know.

Who says Cam won't be here next year? There is just as strong a likelihood that Stidham isn't here next year. It's very likely we draft a QB in this coming draft. It's highly doubtful that the coaching staff is going to drop Cam and have a brand new QB sit behind Stidham. Cam being more experience (and quite frankly the fact that at ever chance he has gotten the nod of approval over Stidham) makes him more likely to sign a cheap one year deal again while we develop a new QB.

And let's say we don't draft a QB. If we pick one up in free agency, then that's even worse because he's absolutely starting over Stidham and Stidham will be in 3rd year not being allowed to start and will likely be released at that point.

The reality is, the fact that he got passed over because of Cam and that despite all of Cam's struggles he is still being placed on the bench, kinda should signal that the coaching staff already made a decision on him.

There's really no point in that very likely case. The situation with Stidham is the same as it's been since the summer. He's looked awful in every chance he's gotten and he's not getting the nod from the coaches. Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels and the Jedd Fisch see him everyday. They know the situation. They waited until July 8th to sign Cam. They are paying him nothing. They are not married to Cam or the idea that he has to start. They just very clearly think he's a much better option than Stidham and after two years have made up their mind.

The only reason for the clamoring of Stidham at this point is that the little remaining vagueness of his unknown quantity is something people are latching hope to.

 

[dtbrks]

Remind me what pick Rogers was, never mind Brady, and tell me why the #1 pick is a guaranteed stud QB???

 

[sb1]

Who says Cam won't be here next year? There is just as strong a likelihood that Stidham isn't here next year. It's very likely we draft a QB in this coming draft. It's highly doubtful that the coaching staff is going to drop Cam and have a brand new QB sit behind Stidham. Cam being more experience (and quite frankly the fact that at ever chance he has gotten the nod of approval over Stidham) makes him more likely to sign a cheap one year deal again while we develop a new QB.

And let's say we don't draft a QB. If we pick one up in free agency, then that's even worse because he's absolutely starting over Stidham and Stidham will be in 3rd year not being allowed to start and will likely be released at that point.

The reality is, the fact that he got passed over because of Cam and that despite all of Cam's struggles he is still being placed on the bench, kinda should signal that the coaching staff already made a decision on him.

There's really no point in that very likely case. The situation with Stidham is the same as it's been since the summer. He's looked awful in every chance he's gotten and he's not getting the nod from the coaches. Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels and the Jedd Fisch see him everyday. They know the situation. They waited until July 8th to sign Cam. They are paying him nothing. They are not married to Cam or the idea that he has to start. They just very clearly think he's a much better option than Stidham and after two years have made up their mind.

The only reason for the clamoring of Stidham at this point is that the little remaining vagueness of his unknown quantity is something people are latching hope to.

Agreed.