Cam is not the Answer

[Doctor DDS]

Crazy to think that the only FA QBs who've won a SB in the last 30 years are Dilfer and BJohnson (someone pls correct me if I'm missing anyone), with the latter the only "big time" free agent (Favre was the only one who was traded). Not to say it won't happen again soon, but it's weird.

Peyton Manning was a FA pickup.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I dont want to hang him.

Just start drafting better.

didnt say you were, my bad if it came across that way. We do need to hit at qb, wr, te soon tho

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I remain hopeful that Newton leaves town this offseason.

 

[203Pat]

I really do like Cam and I’m not sure why. That being said I want to see Stidham just to confirm he has no future in the league as a starter. This is a lost season so what do we have to lose?

 

[GreenCow]

You've been waiting for a reason to bash Cam I see. Newton wasn't the reason for the loss. Not even remotely.

Try again a few weeks ago.

Wow.

There are Pats fan who actually defend Cam?

I honestly didn’t expect that.

 

[PP2]

It's obvious at this point that Cam is not a player that's going to evolve or get better.

He has not improved on his footwork, his poor mechanics, or his eyes (too many passes batted down because he telegraphs so bad). He doesn't take pride in his mechanics or in his footwork. Brady, on the other hand, as we all know, is a fanatic and works tirelessly on his mechanics and footwork, which is one reason he has last as long as he has, and why his arm strength hasn't hit a cliff.

That being said, Cam is still better than anything out there, right now, that's available, including Stidham.

In the offseason, I think that BB will let him compete in TC and for a roster spot.

But if we get our hands on a QB who's in the slightest bit, better than Cam, you can bet that he's gone.

 

[Kontradiction]

I really do like Cam and I’m not sure why. That being said I want to see Stidham just to confirm he has no future in the league as a starter. This is a lost season so what do we have to lose?

I’m down. Best case scenario, he’s actually good. Worst case scenario, he maintains his status as a turnover machine with zero pocket awareness and we lose out for a top 10 pick.

 

[stcjones]

We won a superbowl with Brady AFTER Jimmy G left.

4-6 for one season and you're gonna gladly stop watching? It sucks and our season is done, but you're such a weak fan

Jimmy G is not the answer

 

[stcjones]

I really do like Cam and I’m not sure why. That being said I want to see Stidham just to confirm he has no future in the league as a starter. This is a lost season so what do we have to lose?

Everyone keeps saying Stid is a bust....based on what?!, he’s come in twice later in games after cam and the pats have gotten way behind and tons of pressure to rack up points quick...give the kid several full games and really evaluate him...like you said we have nothing to lose from it....not going to playoffs obviously....

 

[stcjones]

major injuries in 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Hard to call anyone like that an answer. Also while cam aint clutch jimmy is not much better in that sense either

Jimmy had a loaded team last year....good game manager but when he had to step up he choked

 

[stcjones]

he probably hasn’t seen anybody he feels fit to draft for it. Bb is not perfect by any means , but one thing hes shown to me is he wont take someone in an area of need just to draft that position. Wrong or right, pretty sure hes been fully aware of the need to groom someone but in the past 3 years stidham is the only one he saw worth going after.

He’s whiffed on a ridiculous amount of draft picks or traded down out of the first....and meanwhile guys he could have taken there have gone on to become elite players in the league while many of his picks are working at Home Depot. BB passed over Jackson twice I believe....

 

[stcjones]

Will Cam break 10 passing TD's this season?

No

 

[jmt57]

Will Cam break 10 passing TD's this season?

Thankfully the dual Tampa Bay Yucks record will infamously remain intact.

Five in a 16-game season (1995)

The '95 Tampa team had young defensive gems Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, and John Lynch. They also had Trent Dilfer as their QB, who threw four touchdown passes and a8 interceptions. HC Sam Wyche attempted to quiet critics with a 'we are five dash two' quote early in the season - just prior to the Bucs going 2-7 for the rest of the season. Tony Dungy won the golden ticket that Wyche gifted him with, and parlayed it into zero Lombardi Trophies with an underachieving 2-4 postseason record ... but an eventual Lombardi when he won a second golden ticket as HC in Indy.​

Three in a 14-game season (1977)

Surprisingly this was not the 0-14 expansion team Bucs. This was the following season when Tampa finally got a win, and went 2-12. But as a point of reference in regards to the futility that draws this comparison, consider this: those Bucs combined to 3 touchdowns and 30 interceptions! More astonishing (or sadly) is the fact that we are even considering a team in 2020, with all the rule changes and 'points of emphasis' for officiating crews from the Competition Committee that we are even making this comparison.​

This current Patriot QB is a former MVP, playing by 2020 rules.
Those QBs on that 70s era 2nd year expansion team? Gary Huff, Randy Hedberg, and Jeb Blount.

Maybe I made those names up, maybe I didn't.

 

[jmt57]

Wow.

There are Pats fan who actually defend Cam?

I honestly didn’t expect that.

In my opinion this has nothing to do with defending Newton.

It's about the sham pretense by some that nothing has changed other than the person at quarterback since the team's last Super Bowl championship.




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[catent]

I don't disagree with the premise that Cam isn't the answer. I wholeheartedly agree. He's never a guy who's going to thrive throwing short/quick passes due to his mechanics and play-style. He's much better suited throwing down the field - that's not a good fit for our offense. Totally agree.

What I disagree with is piling on the guy and giving up on the team. Instead of being angry and attacking our QB, it’s a lot healthier to accept the nature of the situation and root for the guys we have on the team right now.

Again, this is the reality - it's a bridge year with a mismatch at QB schematically. That said, you get a guy who brings some creativity and athleticism. If nothing else, Cam is exciting to watch and seems like a really good guy - I'm pulling for him and will continue to root for him whether he's a Patriot or not.

Taking a step back, I think Cam was brought in to push Stid, give him some competition, and see how he responded; Stid crumbled and Cam won the job despite the schematic mismatches that his skill-set poses. A credit to Cam and an indictment on Stid.

But I digress. As for this season, just accept it. No sense is being angry and worked up about it. I'll pull for the team and Cam, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if the team and/or Cam struggle. He seems like a great guy and I enjoy watching him succeed. Do I expect him to be here long-term, or even next season? No, of course not, for all the reasons mentioned: he's not a good fit for what this offense wants to do. If Jimmy G. is available he'll absolutely be back - he's a perfect fit for this offense.

The sooner you can accept the reality of this season, acknowledge some of the positives regarding development of young players, and realize that things are going to be a lot better in the near-future due to salary space, the sooner you'll be happier. Accept the gaps in the roster and lack of depth due to salary issues; accept the schematic mismatch at QB; accept the youth and inexperience at spots -- accept all of those things and then just root for the guys who are here right now.

That's my approach for the rest of the season; my expectations have been lowered. I'm not invested in winning/losing - I just want to see the team compete hard and continue to have the young players develop and grow in their roles. The future looks bright.

 

[Nikolai]

This post? I do not see any other posts from you and there are more salient reasons. Again you clearly say,"Newton wasn't the reason for the loss. Not even remotely." So what are the reasons?

Click the link

 

[Nikolai]

Wow.

There are Pats fan who actually defend Cam?

I honestly didn’t expect that.

I don't have to be a fanboy to see he wasn't among the Top 3-4 reasons we lost.

America is becoming a pack of edgelords. The world is grey. Sorry to say...

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I don't have to be a fanboy to see he wasn't among the Top 3-4 reasons we lost.

America is becoming a pack of edgelords. The world is grey. Sorry to say...

The thing with Cam is that he was a huge part responsible for some losses we had but he never really was, except for the first game, the reason we won.

 

[Nikolai]

The thing with Cam is that he was a huge part responsible for some losses we had but he never really was, except for the first game, the reason we won.

I'd agree he was a big reason for a couple losses. But I'm not sure what people were hoping for with him. Aside from a pleasant surprise with his attitude and character, he's pretty much been as advertised.

Still not one of the big reasons we lost yesterday.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I'd agree he was a big reason for a couple losses. But I'm not sure what people were hoping for with him. Aside from a pleasant surprise with his attitude and character, he's pretty much been as advertised.

Still not one of the big reasons we lost yesterday.

He was not the reason we lost but he was one of the reason we didn’t win.

I wasn’t expecting anything from him. I wasn’t thrilled when we signed him. I have never been a huge Cam fan, I always thought he was a meh QB but everyone was focusing on his 2015 season.

he can’t pass his mechanics are terrible. When he throws it is looking like he is going to throw a 80 yards bomb but it is a 10 yards pass. He can’t throw guys open. The receiver need to be open for him to throw the ball. He can’t lead receiver with his pass, can’t lob one over a LB. he has not touch. And we don’t even use him in the running game except in the RZ. I think the playbook is really restrain with him.

It is hard to win in this league now without a top offense.