It’s all about turnovers

[Ring 6]

In 6 games the patriots have 14 turnovers.
These are full season turnover totals in last years
2019 15
2018 18
2017. 12
2016. 11
2015 14
2014. 13

That’s an average of 13.8 PER YEAR and they already have 14 in 6 games.
They averaged 3.7 losses per year in those 6 years and ranked 1,1,1,2,3,7 in turnovers.

In the last 3 losses they had 4,3 and 4 turnovers.
Over the last 6 years they had 3 or more turnovers a total of 5 times.

Fixing the turnovers will solve a lot of problems.

 

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[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Need a good QB. Belichick's fault for failing to address the QB position. I know what you'll say: "he did, blah blah blah." The fault does not lie on Cam, Stid or Hoyer. If none are quality starters anymore, need to find someone who is. Hoyer is trash. Stid likely is also trash since Belichick clearly thought of him below Hoyer and is still sending Cam out. Cam gives us the best chance to win and that's Belichick's fault. Fantastic coach but its what it is. I'm not going to blame Cam if this is who he is. Blame coach for sending these QBs out there.

 

[Tony2046]

Turnovers are a symptom of something but of what? A new QB learning a system or a QB incapable of making good decisions? I don't think we've had enough time to know either way.

Anyway I still like Cam and hope to see some improvement this week.

 

[Ring 6]

Need a good QB. Belichick's fault for failing to address the QB position. I know what you'll say: "he did, blah blah blah." The fault does not lie on Cam, Stid or Hoyer. If none are quality starters anymore, need to find someone who is. Hoyer is trash. Stid likely is also trash since Belichick clearly thought of him below Hoyer and is still sending Cam out. Cam gives us the best chance to win and that's Belichick's fault. Fantastic coach but its what it is. I'm not going to blame Cam if this is who he is. Blame coach for sending these QBs out there.

Newton has started 129 NFL games. People here were saying pay him 30 mill a year because teams will break the bank for him (weren’t you leading that charge) and you excuse his crappy play and blame it on the coach? Are players ever accountable?

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Newton has started 129 NFL games. People here were saying pay him 30 mill a year because teams will break the bank for him (weren’t you leading that charge) and you excuse his crappy play and blame it on the coach? Are players ever accountable?

I'm giving Cam Newton one more game. Me wanting Cam Newton extended has nothing to do with this though. Belichick most likely believes Cam gives us our best chance to win. If Cam is as bad as you and others say, then our QB situation is very dire. If Cam is THIS bad... just how bad is Stid? I agree Cam is responsible for his bad play. However I can't blame him for our failures. Belichick thinks he gives us the best chance to win. If we didn't sign Cam, our options were Stid/Hoyer. That's barely a plan. I'm not saying Bill wants to lose. I just think losing Brady took its hit on the team and Belichick failed (barring Cam returns to decent form) to find a suitable replacement. Maybe It just wasn't possible. I don't know. However our three QBs were chosen by Belichick. Their failure is also his failure.

 

[Joker]

NFL football is hard enough to maintain in a normal season with normal TC, preseason and season games. THIS is not a season like anyone has ever experienced. Players opting out completely, massive injuries wracking the rosters of teams league wide, stoppages of personnel employment because of quarantines, squeezing games in on Tuesdays and just about whenever they can to get them played.

This is a season you just sit back and watch, if you care enough about this tarnished product.It's anything can happen day all the time now. Hell, we could get into the playoffs and see one team sail through and win it all because they had the LEAST personnel outages. Sure it'll count but it will also be remembered as the biggest outlier in league history.

Get past this virus crap in 2021, do business as usual with the usual health baseline and then you can start blaming whatever it is drives you to do so,if the team performs below expectations.

 

[TomPatriot]

There are turnovers because the execution on offense is bad. That’s not just Cam. It’s almost everybody. It seems like they’re thinking and not playing, so the offense is painfully slow. That leads to TOs.

 

[BTTA]

There are turnovers because the execution on offense is bad. That’s not just Cam. It’s almost everybody. It seems like they’re thinking and not playing, so the offense is painfully slow. That leads to TOs.

Right. Turnovers are as much a symptom as a cause.

 

[sean10mm]

The offensive roster stinks outside some linemen. There's your problem right there.

This was true in 2019 too but it's worse now.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Need a good QB. Belichick's fault for failing to address the QB position. I know what you'll say: "he did, blah blah blah." The fault does not lie on Cam, Stid or Hoyer. If none are quality starters anymore, need to find someone who is. Hoyer is trash. Stid likely is also trash since Belichick clearly thought of him below Hoyer and is still sending Cam out. Cam gives us the best chance to win and that's Belichick's fault. Fantastic coach but its what it is. I'm not going to blame Cam if this is who he is. Blame coach for sending these QBs out there.

give us some options

 

[Ring 6]

I'm giving Cam Newton one more game. Me wanting Cam Newton extended has nothing to do with this though. Belichick most likely believes Cam gives us our best chance to win. If Cam is as bad as you and others say, then our QB situation is very dire. If Cam is THIS bad... just how bad is Stid? I agree Cam is responsible for his bad play. However I can't blame him for our failures. Belichick thinks he gives us the best chance to win. If we didn't sign Cam, our options were Stid/Hoyer. That's barely a plan. I'm not saying Bill wants to lose. I just think losing Brady took its hit on the team and Belichick failed (barring Cam returns to decent form) to find a suitable replacement. Maybe It just wasn't possible. I don't know. However our three QBs were chosen by Belichick. Their failure is also his failure.

You have made numerous posts endorsing newton ever since he was signed. Now he plays poorly and you say the coach was negligent in relying on him. That makes no sense.
What replacement did you want him to get?
What cap space did you want him to get them with?
It’s just bizarre to me that after 2 games you want to make the guy the franchise QB then after 2 more you say the coach was an idiot to sign him.
Have a little consistency. The team struggling doesn’t mean you have to recreate what you think. All teams struggle it’s not the end if he world.

 

[Ring 6]

The offensive roster stinks outside some linemen. There's your problem right there.

This was true in 2019 too but it's worse now.

It would be fine without the turnovers.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It would be fine without the turnovers.

I agree that it is not gloom and doom, but there are issues. Are the rookie TEs going to stick? Beating out Izzo is not a high bar. We need a WR who draws coverage. And of course we need a QB that does not turn into a puddle sometimes.

 

[Hyped]

Yup, if we had less turnovers...we would have beaten the Broncos by not giving them two free figgies. And the Niners game wouldn't be a blowout...but still think we lose as our offense wasn't scoring anything that day. Then the Chiefs game? I think that game is a lot closer if we don't have those stupid Hoyer turnovers as well.

Turnovers....the best predictor of success or lack thereof....

 

[Triumph]

It would be fine without the turnovers.

2 passing touchdowns in 6 games doesnt cut it.

The issue is QB. The 2019 QB was able to lose only 4 games all season with basically the same offensive roster.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady right now:

 

[Triumph]

People are in denial to believe that the lack of turnovers will cure all ills.

The teams in serious contention this season have HOF QBs - Wilson, Mahomes, Rothlisberger, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. One of those QBs is going to win the Super Bowl.

 

[borg]

In Newton's 8 healthy seasons, he averaged 23 TD passes and 3,560 yds

This year, Cam is on pace for 6 TD passes and 2,583 yds, 0 to WRs & TEs

The likely WRs and TEs this Sunday caught a whopping 7 TDs in 2019 from Brady. (2020 TDs from Cam=0 )
Edelman.....6 (0)
Izzo..............1 (0)
Meyers.......0 (0)
Keene..........DNP (0)

Byrd...........1 (Ariz) (0)

Note: Harry is the only Pats WR or TE to catch TD pass this year (1) delivered by Stidham
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In Newton's 2015 MVP season , Cam threw 31 TDs to WRs and TEs
In Newton's 2018 season (McCaffrey based offense), Cam threw 17 TD passes to WRs & TEs
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Opinions vary but what can't be ignored.....
These stats demonstrate Newton has a long track record of success passing to NFL WRs & TEs
Newton's Patriots "weapons" have no track record of success except Edelman who is clearly diminished this season

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

give us some options

Didn't we pass on Lamar? Also, I'm sure there were options over the last couple years. Maybe someone a tad younger we could have brought in to sit behind Brady for a season? There must have been an option better than Stid/Hoyer. I don't buy they were the best we could have gotten. I know we signed Cam, but if he wasn't available at the very end, was our plan Stid/Hoyer?

@Ring 6 - I'm telling you. My opinion on Cam is irrelevant here. This doesn't debunk my opinion on the QB situation. I want Cam to succeed. However, I can also admit that he was a very late signing and I question how long they considered Cam "the plan". He was a late signing and you could argue it was lucky he was available that late. With that said, you and some others are saying Cam is not a very good QB. Others are saying he's washed. If he's washed and this was a desperate signing, what if he wasn't available? Would you have considered Stid/Hoyer a concrete plan? I don't think its unfair to say Belichick failed a little here. Especially since we could have signed Lamar (but if I'm misremembering let me know).