OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

Yes he has, although, it could easily be argued that over the past two years, at a minimum, his health has created issues going down the stretch. At 43, Tom is not as resilient as he was at 25, and to think he isn't going to suffer injuries, like the past two years is wishful thinking at the best.

What issues? He won the SB in 2018 torching the Chargers all game, outdueling Mahomes in the AFCCG and then leading the GWD vs the Rams. He also looked fine down the stretch last year. He had probably his best game vs Buffalo, led the comeback in the second half vs Miami and then played fine against Tennessee. I think you may be the one with wishful thinking.

 

[203Pat]

What issues? He won the SB in 2018 torching the Chargers all game, outdueling Mahomes in the AFCCG and then leading the GWD vs the Rams. He also looked fine down the stretch last year. He had probably his best game vs Buffalo, led the comeback in the second half vs Miami and then played fine against Tennessee. I think you may be the one with wishful thinking.

Lol in the last two years he had arguably his most impressive playoff win ever. On the road in one of the most hostile environments in the league against the league MVP and a team that can rack up points in seconds Brady managed to win with a supporting cast that was no where near as good. He then went on to win the super bowl and followed that up with a 12-4 year. Seemed healthy enough to me.

 

[moosekill]

What issues? He won the SB in 2018 torching the Chargers all game, outdueling Mahomes in the AFCCG and then leading the GWD vs the Rams. He also looked fine down the stretch last year. He had probably his best game vs Buffalo, led the comeback in the second half vs Miami and then played fine against Tennessee. I think you may be the one with wishful thinking.

How many yards did he throw for against the Rams? How was that Titan's game. You are right, it is just idiotic to even question whether or not age is creeping in, and to be at least a little concerned that he may have some nagging injuries by the end of the season, like he has the past 2 years for sure.
Assuming he is going to get better all season is certainly not a given.

 

[moosekill]

Tennessee, 20-37 209 1 interception. Will you be happy with that?

 

[amfootball]

How many yards did he throw for against the Rams? How was that Titan's game. You are right, it is just idiotic to even question whether or not age is creeping in, and to be at least a little concerned that he may have some nagging injuries by the end of the season, like he has the past 2 years for sure.
Assuming he is going to get better all season is certainly not a given.

How did he look physically? That is the discussion not his stats. I mean both the Rams and Titans have damn good defenses. I did not see injuries that caused any issues. And your point was injuries, correct? I do think he has decline due to age, he is 43 for goodness sakes but this notion that injuries have derailed him or the Pats the last 2 seasons is silly when they were champs and 12-4 last year.

 

[upstater1]

Tom Brady played through two injuries in Wild Card loss to Tennessee Titans (report)
Last year it was reported he had tennis elbow, which led him to limit his throwing during practices. I chose to believe that, rather than the alternative, which was he was being a whiny ***** and was mad that the Patriots weren't offering him a multi year contract.
The year before his knee was supposedly injured in the Titans game and while he played through that injury, he wasn't really his usual self and had some up and down games.

This is the lamest post yet.

The toughest most durable QB in our lifetimes is now a whiny whatever.

How pathetic.

 

[upstater1]

I personally think the level of coaching in NE is on a completely different level. They just don't do this level of coaching in Tampa Bay.

Very true.

But the way they organize the roster, they pay attention more to certain areas.

Look at all the low resources weve spent on the OL over the years, and we had Dante to coach them up.

Meanwhile though we've had young 20 year olds overlooking the DBs because Belichick was doing most of the coaching there, but not on gameday.

This is what I'm referring to.

We simply don't spend draft capital on certain areas where we maximize the coaching advantage. In other areas, where we do spend heaps of draft capital, you don't see our strongest coaches involved there during gameday.

Put it this way: just what was Bill O'Brien doing during 2007 anyway?

 

[amfootball]

Very true.

But the way they organize the roster, they pay attention more to certain areas.

Look at all the low resources weve spent on the OL over the years, and we had Dante to coach them up.

Meanwhile though we've had young 20 year olds overlooking the DBs because Belichick was doing most of the coaching there, but not on gameday.

This is what I'm referring to.

We simply don't spend draft capital on certain areas where we maximize the coaching advantage. In other areas, where we do spend heaps of draft capital, you don't see our strongest coaches involved there during gameday.

Put it this way: just what was Bill O'Brien doing during 2007 anyway?

Great post. I agree. The approach is so different in NE. Bill manages the cap and takes lower skill guys so he can coach them up to be B level players. This allows us not to have a huge drop off when our guys get injured. So the level of coaching is at a whole different level but that is on purpose.

When I look at Tampa, there is talent everywhere. Offense/defense. It's just wildly talented. I can see why Brady chose them. After 20 years with Bill, he knew to make up the coaching difference, you better have the talent. Not that Arians is mediocre by any means but Bill is Bill.

 

[moosekill]

This is the lamest post yet.

The toughest most durable QB in our lifetimes is now a whiny whatever.

How pathetic.

Since you aren't very good at reading comprehension, I believed he was injured and the reports were correct. I am not the one arguing he never gets hurt or didn't have repetitive motion injuries.

 

[moosekill]

You can't have it both ways. He isn't super human and he does get injured. He is 43 and the likely hood is he will have some injury this year. Based on past history, he will play through it and will never complain about it, but also based upon past history, his performance will also suffer at some point during the season. Listen you can assume Gronk will just keep getting better all season too. My guess is the likely hood that Gronk won't get hurt this year is less then the chances he will get hurt. That doesn't mean I hope for them to get injured, it means they probably will if recent history is anything to go by.

 

[amfootball]

You can't have it both ways. He isn't super human and he does get injured. He is 43 and the likely hood is he will have some injury this year. Based on past history, he will play through it and will never complain about it, but also based upon past history, his performance will also suffer at some point during the season. Listen you can assume Gronk will just keep getting better all season too. My guess is the likely hood that Gronk won't get hurt this year is less then the chances he will get hurt. That doesn't mean I hope for them to get injured, it means they probably will if recent history is anything to go by.

The difference is Tampa has more than enough talent on both sides to make up any difference in sub-par by either player. I mean look at Brady's margin of error in Tampa vs NE? He really does not need Gronk to be Gronk at all. He has weapons everywhere. And he does not have to be perfect on all his throws like he did in NE because guys are open and he just has to lay it up for them. And I haven't even gotten to the defense which is the best defense by a ton in the NFC. Like I said, he chose wisely going to Tampa.

 

[moosekill]

The difference is Tampa has more than enough talent on both sides to make up any difference in sub-par by either player. I mean look at Brady's margin of error in Tampa vs NE? He really does not need Gronk to be Gronk at all. He has weapons everywhere. And he does not have to be perfect on all his throws like he did in NE because guys are open and he just has to lay it up for them. And I haven't even gotten to the defense which is the best defense by a ton in the NFC. Like I said, he chose wisely going to Tampa.

I certainly think that an injury to Gronk will be much less of an issue to Tampa then it was to past Patriots teams. I think I would pump my breaks a bit and wait until you all beat a team that doesn't completely suck, before you can decide how well your team will do without Brady playing well.

 

[venecol]

The dudes bashing this thread are like jilted brides.

 

[amfootball]

I certainly think that an injury to Gronk will be much less of an issue to Tampa then it was to past Patriots teams. I think I would pump my breaks a bit and wait until you all beat a team that doesn't completely suck, before you can decide how well your team will do without Brady playing well.

Pump what brakes? It's obvious you want to see Brady/Tampa fail. That is fine. Just admit it instead of this silly injury argument about the most durable QB in NFL history still playing at a high level at age 43.

 

[moosekill]

I guess if I was a Tampa fan who has had really really bad teams for a long time, I would be hoping and praying the 43 year old qb will hold up through the season. Beat a team that doesn't suck, and then you can argue like a grown up. So, you are what 16 and live in Tampa?

 

[amfootball]

I guess if I was a Tampa fan who has had really really bad teams for a long time, I would be hoping and praying the 43 year old qb will hold up through the season. Beat a team that doesn't suck, and then you can argue like a grown up. So, you are what 16 and live in Tampa?

LOL. Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

 

[moosekill]

LOL. Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

I don't care if Tampa wins or not, I don't care if Tom does well or not. If we were talking about the Patriots and we had beaten two very bad teams and lost to a mediocre one I wouldn't be buying my superbowl tickets quite yet, and if I were I would be accused of being a huge homer.

 

[203Pat]

I don't care if Tampa wins or not, I don't care if Tom does well or not. If we were talking about the Patriots and we had beaten two very bad teams and lost to a mediocre one I wouldn't be buying my superbowl tickets quite yet, and if I were I would be accused of being a huge homer.

Why does everyone who doesn't care what Tom or the Bucs do keep coming in here to tell everyone they don't care? If you don't care go away. If you keep posting over and over and over then clearly you care.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I started posting random Tampa facts, and the cheerleader picture, because one of the Tom Brady fans, not a Patriot fan, got all butt hurt when I challenged him on the fact that Tom might not continue to improve this season, because in the last few years in New England, Tom had developed problems with his throwing arm, which caused him to miss practices, not do so well as the season wore on. Much like the last few years when posters hoped that BB would hold on Gronk for the playoffs so he would be healthy for the "important" games. He felt I was wishing injury to Tom, because his love for Tom knows no end. Honestly, unless the Patriots play TB, I don't care about Tom anymore. Of course this led me to start reading this thread and found it had morphed from a discussion of how Tom and Gronk were playing, to a discussion of the Tampa Bay team. Which actually has a place on this site specifically designed for it.

It didn't morph into anything different. In talking about Tom there is inevitably going to be talk of the team for which they play. It is almost impossible to talk strictly them when there are always nine other players on the field on which those two players depend.

I see the detractors have gone to inventing new reasons to wish the thread gone. First Tom was the issue because he's gone. Now Tom is apparently not the issue and it's because of the few postings of general TB news. It'll be some other thing soon enough.

So listen, stay out if you don't want to see talk of Tom, Tampa or anything else you deem non-Pats. Seriously, how hard is that?

 

[PatsBoy12]

I don't care if Tampa wins or not, I don't care if Tom does well or not. If we were talking about the Patriots and we had beaten two very bad teams and lost to a mediocre one I wouldn't be buying my superbowl tickets quite yet, and if I were I would be accused of being a huge homer.

I haven't seen a single post yet stating TB is going to the SB. I haven't seen a single post where people have even been overly excited with a TB victory necessarily either. What I have seen is people pretty happy that Tom had two bounce back games. Even Gronk had a decent game. Those who still care celebrate those things. Every team has both good and bad teams on their schedules. Truth is, nobody really knows who is good and who is not outside of KC, BMore and maybe two other teams, and every team's season mostly hinges on key players staying healthy throughout. But you play who is in front of you and you try to win every game regardless. So your premise is kinda silly.