Extend Newton

[1960Pats]

Too soon.

Exactly. What's the rush?

 

[JackBauer187]

He made some good throws, but he is not an accurate passer at the nfl level.
Sorry that’s just not his game. Doesn’t mean he sucks, all players have weaknesses.

Sure. Just like he made most of his throws from outside the pocket in Carolina. Your words. Or am I making that up too?

And his comp % is 71 compared to Brady’s 61 with the same players/coaches. But I’m sure there are reasons.

 

[1960Pats]

I'd offer him the contract Brady refused modified to be full of reasonable incentives and whatnot to protect a bit against injury.

So around 23-26M.

How do you know what was offered to Brady?

 

[IllegalContact]

what's the deal with the franchise tag? is there anything in the contract that prevents the pats from using it?

 

[Conflicted Panthers fan]

He made some good throws, but he is not an accurate passer at the nfl level.
Sorry that’s just not his game. Doesn’t mean he sucks, all players have weaknesses.

 

[catent]

Pump the breaks
The guy lit up a patchwork secondary playing prevent defense.
History always confirms: Old running QBs soon become old IR’d QBs.

Bill, the pragmatic, does not risk his team’s financial future on players like Cam.

Maybe a two year middle of the pack salary with minimal guarantees that won’t handcuff the team when the inevitable injury reoccurs

I don't know what game you were watching when you say things like this.

Cam made some perfect throws against extremely competitive coverage. I remember watching some of the windows he fit the ball into and thinking, "that looked like a Russell Wilson throw".

If you have concerns about his longevity, fine, but to diminish his play yesterday is beyond me. The guy quarterbacked an impeccable game of football in every regard.

Color me shocked that AJ liked your post.

 

[JackBauer187]

what's the deal with the franchise tag? is there anything in the contract that prevents the pats from using it?

I doubt it. Problem is, if you use it, all 31-33M goes on next year. A new contract means lower cap hits in 21 and 22, at least.

 

[catent]

He made some good throws, but he is not an accurate passer at the nfl level.
Sorry that’s just not his game. Doesn’t mean he sucks, all players have weaknesses.

It's really remarkable how effortless it is for you to be wrong, all the time.

That was the best game quarterbacked by a NE QB in a couple years. Newton put on a masterclass, and his extremely precise/accurate passing was a large part of that spectacular performance.

 

[Steve102]

He certainly is off to a good start filling the shoes of the GOAT. Many men would wilt under pressure. I would like to see how he does when the games start "counting", in that post Thanksgiving time. I am good signing him to a contract that is mutually good for Cam and the team(IE team friendly), and I am good waiting to see how he does when the lights are brighter. As we know, the last guy shined when the lights were brightest. I do not want to sign him to a near top of market price tag now.

 

[IllegalContact]

I doubt it. Problem is, if you use it, all 31-33M goes on next year. A new contract means lower cap hits in 21 and 22, at least.

true, but it depends on the rest of your cap situation.......if you only want him for 1 more year, it may be the way to go

 

[upstater1]

Jets, Browns, Jaguars, Panthers (again), Saints as Brees won’t have much longer, Ben was already toying with leaving the Steelers and Cam is a very similar style, Washington, the Bears are probably going to give up on Trubbs soon etc.

Cam will find someone who wants to pay.

I know this is going to shock some people, but the QB market is stupid. Brady was a huge advantage on that front. We were lucky with Cam. To give you perspective, there really has been no instance of a Cam like pick up where a firmer MVP was just sitting on the market dirt cheap in the last 10 years.

Guys like Goff and Jimmy G and Cousins reset them market.

Jets are locked to Darnold, Browns to Mayfield, Jaguars maybe but Minshew is cheap and they like him, and they may be looking at T Lawrence anyway, Panthers NO obviously, Saints maybe, Washington has #1 draft pick in Hankins, and Bears just took on Foles's massive contract.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Sure. Just like he made most of his throws from outside the pocket in Carolina. Your words. Or am I making that up too?

And his comp % is 71 compared to Brady’s 61 with the same players/coaches. But I’m sure there are reasons.

that means nothing for now. For comparison, Brady completion percentage was 69% over the first two games with a passer rating of 124.8!

 

[upstater1]

Sure. Just like he made most of his throws from outside the pocket in Carolina. Your words. Or am I making that up too?

And his comp % is 71 compared to Brady’s 61 with the same players/coaches. But I’m sure there are reasons.

You can't make statistical comparisons over 2 games. Especially when our OL was missing Andrews & Wynn last year, and Mason was hurt.

Let's see how the season goes.

 

[upstater1]

that means nothing for now. For comparison, Brady completion percentage was 69% over the first two games with a passer rating of 124.8!

Exactly. While Cam has no improved weapons over Brady (well, Harry didn't play the first 10 games), the team had a different OL.

On the other hand, Brady had the luxury of getting the ball back quicker after stellar defensive play.

This is an impossible comparison when you realize that Cam is benefiting from a much better OL, but Cam's stats are also hurt because he's not seeing the ball as much as Brady due to a less than stellar defensive effort.

Both guys are benefiting/hurting because of different strengths of the team over 2 years.

2019: + defense, - o-line
2020: - defense, + o-line

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Now Cam looks extremely good. For sure Top 3 in the AFC. Will it be the case at the end of the season? I really hope so, that doesn’t mean it will be the case.

BB understand that thing changes quickly and he will not based his decision of extending a player only after two really good games.

 

[JackBauer187]

Jets are locked to Darnold, Browns to Mayfield, Jaguars maybe but Minshew is cheap and they like him, and they may be looking at T Lawrence anyway, Panthers NO obviously, Saints maybe, Washington has #1 draft pick in Hankins, and Bears just took on Foles's massive contract.

I can only see two teams he would consider. INDY and SF. And that’s if they are even interested. Any of those others are just joining a sinking ship.

 

[JackBauer187]

that means nothing for now. For comparison, Brady completion percentage was 69% over the first two games with a passer rating of 124.8!

That was a reply to a specific poster who thinks context in stats is irrelevant. I don’t care about them and sure don’t use them as a absolute answer. So actually I agree with you.

 

[JackBauer187]

Exactly. While Cam has no improved weapons over Brady (well, Harry didn't play the first 10 games), the team had a different OL.

On the other hand, Brady had the luxury of getting the ball back quicker after stellar defensive play.

This is an impossible comparison when you realize that Cam is benefiting from a much better OL, but Cam's stats are also hurt because he's not seeing the ball as much as Brady due to a less than stellar defensive effort.

Both guys are benefiting/hurting because of different strengths of the team over 2 years.

2019: + defense, - o-line
2020: - defense, + o-line

This is my fault for bringing it up.

 

[Nehalem]

It's really remarkable how effortless it is for you to be wrong, all the time.

That was the best game quarterbacked by a NE QB in a couple years. Newton put on a masterclass, and his extremely precise/accurate passing was a large part of that spectacular performance.

You do realize the offense only scored 23 points right?

Exactly. While Cam has no improved weapons over Brady (well, Harry didn't play the first 10 games), the team had a different OL.

On the other hand, Brady had the luxury of getting the ball back quicker after stellar defensive play.

This is an impossible comparison when you realize that Cam is benefiting from a much better OL, but Cam's stats are also hurt because he's not seeing the ball as much as Brady due to a less than stellar defensive effort.

Both guys are benefiting/hurting because of different strengths of the team over 2 years.

2019: + defense, - o-line
2020: - defense, + o-line

Well except for that guy Edelman who had 8 catches for 179 yards. As opposed to the walking corpse of Edleman Brady was throwing to for half the year in 2019.

Sure. Just like he made most of his throws from outside the pocket in Carolina. Your words. Or am I making that up too?

And his comp % is 71 compared to Brady’s 61 with the same players/coaches. But I’m sure there are reasons.

For the first 7 games last year Brady had 1 game with a comp% less than 66%. And that was against @Buffalo who had the #2 defense.

Then every NFL calibre weapon he had got hurt and/or went crazy.

 

[catent]

You do realize the offense only scored 23 points right?

Well except for that guy Edelman who had 8 catches for 179 yards. As opposed to the walking corpse of Edleman Brady was throwing to for half the year in 2019.

Missed FG, and if there were more than 3 seconds left when they had the ball at the 1 yard line, they likely score there too. 26-33 points is a more realistic reflection of their true offensive output. Newton was extremely good by every subjective and objective measure.

RE: your Edelman comment, he still looks like a walking corpse; he isn't significantly healthier/faster/quicker than he was last season.