Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[Kdo5]

Which country’s response falls under that category? Name one.

Competent and capable? South Korea seems like the obvious example. Vigorous testing has absolutely made a positive impact on their ability to keep things under control.

We are struggling badly to keep things under control, like Italy. A good part of that goes back to a slow initial response.

 

[Observer]

The country which, as of two days ago, reported a spike in its number of cases? And you’re comparing Taiwan to the US? Come on, now.

Don't ask silly questions if you don't want silly answers. Singapore, Japan, South Korea to name others. If your criteria of successful management is 0 cases then you really don't understand what the whole conversation is about.

 

[Tony2046]

It is just the Flu, perhaps more infectious or perhaps more deadly yo old people. We will know when the data is assembled after this ends. H1N1 13,000 dead 60,000,000 infected.

yearly flu burden, note this data deson't included those infected but who are non symptomatic, also note than many get a Flu shot and won't show up here. What distinguishes coronavirus and H1N1 from yearly Flu's is the lack of a vaccine.

Burden of Influenza

I'm not sure what your point is. Social distancing isn't necessary because it's just the flu? Countries shutting themselves down isn't necessary because it's just the flu? Or let the virus kill whomever it will kill and save the economy?

I understand that somehow this is your defend Trump defense but just not sure how you're doing it.

"If they die they die"?

Luckily I don't have any political affiliations and am free to call a fail a fail regardless of who failed.

I also respect life more than you do and would prefer that those who have underlying conditions or are just older would be able to hang around a little longer including your old crotchety ass. Haha.

 

[JackBauer]

Which country’s response falls under that category? Name one.

SK
Taiwan

 

[venecol]

The authors cite the Jan 26 travel restrictions in China while ignoring that Chinese New Year was Jan 25 this year and that > 5 million people left Wuhan to visit relatives (Wuhan is a city that is 50% larger than NYC) for New Year Holiday. I wonder if the rest of the study is that slipshod.

Are you saying that by the time the January 30th travel ban from China was enacted, it was too late? I agree with you. How many Chinese had already travelled to the US prior to the ban: g350,000?

The study also says, as the conclusion that travel bans by themselves are not effective without testing and mitigation measures such as social distancing.

1. Travel ban;
2. Testing;
3. Mitigation

1. Was enacted too late to matter;
2. Testing is just now getting to where it should have been at the beginning of February;
3. Mitigation measures were started too late because of 2 above, and are still not being employed with consistency. There is no national plan, rather a hodgepodge of local plans. No leadership.

 

[Vatahala]

I get so tired of Trump defenders labeling everyone else as left.

There are millions of moderates and independents who do not share leftist views.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

It is just the Flu, perhaps more infectious or perhaps more deadly yo old people. We will know when the data is assembled after this ends. H1N1 13,000 dead 60,000,000 infected.

yearly flu burden, note this data deson't included those infected but who are non symptomatic, also note than many get a Flu shot and won't show up here. What distinguishes coronavirus and H1N1 from yearly Flu's is the lack of a vaccine.

Burden of Influenza

It has a similar shape to the flu or cold viruses. It will not have only an impact comparable to a seasonal flu by anybody's projections.

It might be "just the Flu" like the 1918 Spanish Flu was "just the Flu," if that is what you mean. Is it?

 

[Tony2046]

Which country’s response falls under that category? Name one.

I'm relieved to know that our response mimics Zimbabwe's.

 

[50-yard-line]

The idea that this epidemic could have been stopped in February or March or whenever is fantasy. Not with a highly transmissible virus, passed at least sometimes by asymptomatic persons in a population without immunity in a highly social, mobile society with large cities and travel from everywhere. Even a shelter order in February - which would never have occurred - would have just postponed the inevitable. As long as this virus persists as is - and the world is essentially not immune - it is going to be a huge issue. This is the first epidemic like this in the modern ICU era. No one ever before had to deal with providing critical care to millions of people all at once. They just died. I am not advocating that as the solution, but our capabilities are decidedly finite. It is what it is.

You can't stop it until you have a vaccine. You can minimize the toll by testing, testing, testing. Identify the hot spots, isolate them, surge medical supplies to them, while continuing testing in other places.

Locating the hot spots is everything in pandemic response until therapies and vaccines can be created. Otherwise, you have to just wait for natural immunities/evolution of the virus to less lethal states, both of which involve massive suffering, both health-wise and economic.

 

[JetFan79]

I get so tired of Trump defenders labeling everyone else as left.

There are millions of moderates and independents who do not share leftist views.

donny is the greatest leader ever, or you're a commie.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

donny is the greatest leader ever, or you're a commie.

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?
A. That's a dishonest question and you're a terrible reporter.

 

[h0c2000]

Twice on Friday the President stated that he had invoked the Defense Production Act to facilitate production of masks, ventilators, and other much-needed equipment.
...

RE: production of ventilators.

These are the challenges of dramatically increasing production:

• Skilled labor to assemble and test
• Impact of Covid19 on the global supply chain. The device manufacturer I work for uses JIT inventory, 1 supplier impacts the line. There no inventory to exhaust.
• Getting a new supplier on the approved list takes time, effort and potentially on site visits
• A new supplier may require new tooling which takes time
• A new contract manufacturer takes time to get up to speed

The global supply chain is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome. I'm not sure what the invocation of this law would mean to that. It's not like this turns the key and everything is just being churned out. I'm afraid it will take time on the scale of months to get up to volume.

 

[50-yard-line]

Competent and capable? South Korea seems like the obvious example. Vigorous testing has absolutely made a positive impact on their ability to keep things under control.

We are struggling badly to keep things under control, like Italy. A good part of that goes back to a slow initial response.

South Korea just created negative pressure phone booth testing sites where you can go in and get tested in 7 minutes.

They had their first case the same day we did.

 

[Adam Seward]

SK
Taiwan

SG is a shining example

 

[bormio]

You can't stop it until you have a vaccine. You can minimize the toll by testing, testing, testing. Identify the hot spots, isolate them, surge medical supplies to them, while continuing testing in other places.

Locating the hot spots is everything in pandemic response until therapies and vaccines can be created. Otherwise, you have to just wait for natural immunities/evolution of the virus to less lethal states, both of which involve massive suffering, both health-wise and economic.

Even Fauci says in hard-hit areas, testing of mild cases needs to cease. We have the tests, but we will use up PPE unnecessarily. Testing now is for sicker patients in those areas to guide therapeutics. I suspect that will become a generalized recommendation as case numbers increase. Mild cases are to assume they have the disease and isolate themselves for the 14 days.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, you people have found a way to get more ridiculous than you already had been.

You should all shut down your computers, go outside, and not log back online for at least a week or two.

 

[fightingirish595]

Dude who wants Snopes to be leftist, this is a Coronavirus thread and life would already be short even without coronavirus. I'm familiar w/the landscape of fact-checkers/news sources/etc., so just take that show on the road.



Bingo. And there are still good reasons for testing, but the amount of impact we can get with containment decreases every passing day. We do have 1/4 of the country or so on lockdown, i.e., (we HOPE) not traveling elsewhere with it. That's a big chunk. I dont know what is happening/would happen when a "curfew breaker" is encountered. What are they gonna do, put em in jail? They're fixin' to empty the jails out...

But the time has passed where we could find that 1 isolated case, those 2 cases, those 10 cases, finding everybody they could have infected, pouncing on em and testing em... there were half-arsed attempts at some of this, but hella weak. Lots of keystone cops stories. So we went from a handful not to zero, because miracles, but to tens of thousands, because, science.

That said, truth is, people look to law for guidance, corny as it sounds, especially now. Many will -- for want of a better term -- conform. Hell, they'll shock co-subjects in an experiment if the man in the labcoat says to (actually, now, it would just be the guy in the labcoat permitting us to. We're meaner.)



God, how great is it that that guy's name is Dr. Brilliant? When this is all over he has to be a new supervillain in the Austin Powers franchise, and bonus, he should play himself.



FACT CHECK: Trump's Accusations About The Obama Administration And Swine Flu



God bless your heart, 13, you just keep trying

Dude who wants Snopes to be leftist, this is a Coronavirus thread and life would already be short even without coronavirus. I'm familiar w/the landscape of fact-checkers/news sources/etc., so just take that show on the road.



Bingo. And there are still good reasons for testing, but the amount of impact we can get with containment decreases every passing day. We do have 1/4 of the country or so on lockdown, i.e., (we HOPE) not traveling elsewhere with it. That's a big chunk. I dont know what is happening/would happen when a "curfew breaker" is encountered. What are they gonna do, put em in jail? They're fixin' to empty the jails out...

But the time has passed where we could find that 1 isolated case, those 2 cases, those 10 cases, finding everybody they could have infected, pouncing on em and testing em... there were half-arsed attempts at some of this, but hella weak. Lots of keystone cops stories. So we went from a handful not to zero, because miracles, but to tens of thousands, because, science.

That said, truth is, people look to law for guidance, corny as it sounds, especially now. Many will -- for want of a better term -- conform. Hell, they'll shock co-subjects in an experiment if the man in the labcoat says to (actually, now, it would just be the guy in the labcoat permitting us to. We're meaner.)



God, how great is it that that guy's name is Dr. Brilliant? When this is all over he has to be a new supervillain in the Austin Powers franchise, and bonus, he should play himself.



FACT CHECK: Trump's Accusations About The Obama Administration And Swine Flu



God bless your heart, 13, you just keep trying

im not sure if this is in response to me or not. I’m sorry but that doesn’t sound like much of an Argument. I never said I wanted snopes to be leftist. That’s moving the goal posts. I said they are biased. Not leftist.

 

[JackBauer]

RE: production of ventilators.

These are the challenges of dramatically increasing production:

• Skilled labor to assemble and test
• Impact of Covid19 on the global supply chain. The device manufacturer I work for uses JIT inventory, 1 supplier impacts the line. There no inventory to exhaust.
• Getting a new supplier on the approved list takes time, effort and potentially on site visits
• A new supplier may require new tooling which takes time
• A new contract manufacturer takes time to get up to speed

The global supply chain is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome. I'm not sure what the invocation of this law would mean to that. It's not like this turns the key and everything is just being churned out. I'm afraid it will take time on the scale of months to get up to volume.

Indeed. So why is POTUS lying to the American people about it?

 

[ViperGTS]

Indeed. So why is POTUS lying to the American people about it?

All leaders lie, just depends on the degree. Be bad if they said “we are ****ed just to let you know”. So they lie to not cause panic. When they say “don’t panic everything is okay!”...run. Panuc. Prepare.

 

[Adam Seward]

Ok, you people have found a way to get more ridiculous than you already had been.

You should all shut down your computers, go outside, and not log back online for at least a week or two.

Thanks dad, please go back to the adults table now.