What if Brady succeeds elsewhere? Ramifications for BB.

[Uptown]

What if Walter H. White Sr. wasn’t a chemistry whiz..?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

But the Matt Cassel led Patriots went 11-5 against a cupcake schedule with an offense that went 16-0 the previous season and featured the second greatest wide receiver in history and one of the best slot receivers in history so I'm sure Stidham could go 14-2 against the league's hardest schedule throwing to Julian Edelman's slowly rotting body and Los Angeles Wildcats great Nelson Spruce

I mean even the "give Stidham a shot" guys will tell you it's only because they think next year's a lost cause

I get 16-0 and 11-5 confused a lot because the records are basically the same. Just a tiny 5 game difference...not even noticeable.

 

[Sicilian]

I don't think BB would have his roles split, but it would depend entirely on the nature of the divorce. If Brady really wants to leave and try his hand somewhere else, BB makes an honest faith effort to retain him, and Brady chooses to leave anyway, I doubt Belichick would be blamed for that. His leash would get shorter, but he'd be safe for 2020 at the very least.

Now, if Brady wants to come back, is willing to go below a market deal, and Bill still says, "Nah, we'll pass and go with Stidham," then goes 4-12, we're talking a different story. I still think he has more leeway than that (and I don't think we instantly go to 4-12, but for the sake of argument), but the conversation gets a little more uncomfortable for Bill, for sure.

 

[Observer]

I think the more interesting question is what GM around the league other than BB would be able to release Brady and still keep their job.

 

[Zuma]

I think Cassel would have had more success with more experience in a Patriots offensive system...but nothing remotely close to the GOAT.

ANYONE that puts their foot down now and declares Stidham will fail or succeed is an IDIOT...he's had 4 passing attempts in his entire NFL career. 4. FOUR. Stop looking like idiots and lets wait and see what he can do at least.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

What if Brady goes elsewhere, has a hugely successful season and meanwhile Patriots’ season flops as Stidham or whatever other QB throws pick after pick and has a full blown meltdown and Pats finish 4-12 or something or worse. What repercussions does that have to BB’s job, if any, as both a GM and HC? Will we then see Kraft split the GM and HC roles in that scenario to avoid any other obvious GM blunders. Thoughts?

What if Kiam fires Berry, but lets Flutie be released and go to Canada where he is hugely successful season after season winning MVP's and titles and setting passing and rushing records that will never be broken, and meanwhile the Patriots flop as Hodson or Wilson or Millen or whatever other QB throws pick after pick and the team has a full blown meltdown and Pats finish 1-15, 6-10 and 2-14. What repercussions does that have to our beloved logo and uniforms; Who will Orthwein hire as head coach and who will we draft with the #1 pick? Will we then see Kraft put up the big bucks to send J. Busch O. back to St. Louis, keep the team here, split the the fan base in two with posers embracing the ugly fake gross helmets and uni's in that scenario in a misguided effort to avoid any other obvious denigration and contempt from the league and opponents, which instead will backfire culminating in the greatest injustice against a pro team in history? Thoughts?

 

[carmelo15]

Interesting premise. But I honestly feel Stidham is a better QB than Cassel, when Cassel was forced to go in for Brady, and the Matt Cassel led Patriots went 11-5. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time. If it's Stidham and new weapons, he can win. Not bad mouthing Brady, but he seems to zero in on Edelman constantly, maybe a different QB doesn't do that.

who should he have zeroed in on Ben ****ing Watson

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady having a successful season or two or even winning one more Super Bowl while BB struggles will get the media questioning whether Brady was the one driving the engine all along?

BB is taking a big risk not riding it out until Brady hangs them up.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

But I don't think Brady goes anywhere

I was in the camp of Brady leaving, but the closer we get to free agency, the more I think he comes back.

 

[Brewskies]

I hate these "what if" posts. Especially the "Brady" ones. It gives "attention" to the game Brady is playing "I Want Attention Game."

 

[primetime]

I think Cassel would have had more success with more experience in a Patriots offensive system...but nothing remotely close to the GOAT.

ANYONE that puts their foot down now and declares Stidham will fail or succeed is an IDIOT...he's had 4 passing attempts in his entire NFL career. 4. FOUR. Stop looking like idiots and lets wait and see what he can do at least.

I don't think anyone's suggesting they know how Stidham will turn out but the balance of probabilities is that it is more likely he is bad than good, because most quarterbacks are bad. Eventually the Patriots will have to turn to a fresh face under center; the question is whether that's this year or not.

Cassel spent four years with the Patriots. He was what he was, a career backup who could win games here or there but ultimately struggled every time he was thrust into extended playing time, even with the benefit of one of the greatest offenses of all-time.

But that's really neither here nor there, the 2008 Patriots just looked vastly different than the 2020 Patriots. I do think the 2020 team will do better than people think because of the defense, but in the end the offense is going to have to win with what the defense hands them.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I was in the camp of Brady leaving, but the closer we get to free agency, the more I think he comes back.

It’s way too early. Once we get closer to FA, the smoke will turn into fire on whether he stays or goes.

 

[Zuma]

I don't think anyone's suggesting they know how Stidham will turn out .

Actually their is plenty of people on both sides making such statements in other threads.

 

[Zuma]

Cassel spent four years with the Patriots. He was what he was.

No i get it....and i am in the minority here. Just curious if you can tell me what his career record was with the Pats.

 

[primetime]

Actually their is plenty of people on both sides making such statements in other threads.

I think people assume that, based on history, the chance is quite low that a first-time starter who was a mid-round pick elevates a moribund offense. Other than Brady himself and Russell Wilson, how many other quarterbacks would that describe?

 

[Zuma]

I think people assume that, based on history, the chance is quite low that a first-time starter who was a mid-round pick elevates a moribund offense. Other than Brady himself and Russell Wilson, how many other quarterbacks would that describe?

You are correct Sir. With my vast incredible knowledge....I however cannot declare one way or another on 4 passing attempts what that outcome will be.

 

[Biffins]

I hate these "what if" posts.

Then why click on it?

 

[Tunescribe]

Thoughts?

Yeah, my first thought is you need a new thread title. Something like: "What if Brady succeeds elsewhere and the Patriots have a bad season?" It's not hard to prevent yourself from looking like a lazy dope.

 

[Biffins]

Yeah, my first thought is you need a new thread title. Something like: "What if Brady succeeds elsewhere and the Patriots have a bad season?" It's not hard to prevent yourself from looking like a lazy dope.

Done. Now what's your view?

 

[Tunescribe]

Done. Now what's your view?

Very good. My view is one season with those conditions won't matter because the Patriots still would need to rebuild offensively in Brady's absence whether he's gone in 2020 or 2021. Part of it also depends on where Brady has his "success" and whether that might have been deemed transferable to the Patriots as currently constructed. That would be highly questionable, perhaps comparing apples to oranges. As for BB's status, one aberrant season isn't changing things. Personally, I don't think Brady will set the world afire wherever he plays this year.