NFL Rumors: Tom Brady Won’t Take Hometown Discount To Stay With Patriots

[DropKickFlutie]

What is fair value though? So he won't settle for 26m for sure. Does this make sense at 30m for the Patriots ??

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[venecol]

Which one of you Brady hating bozos is Keegan?



Tom Brady doesn’t owe us anything, Gov. Charlie Baker says – Boston Herald

 

[primetime]

Which one of you Brady hating bozos is Keegan?

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Tom Brady doesn’t owe us anything, Gov. Charlie Baker says – Boston Herald

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[Kid~Brady]

What is fair value though? So he won't settle for 26m for sure. Does this make sense at 30m for the Patriots ??

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Bill wont go for that.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Brady insisted the team not be allowed to franchise tag him. The 2020 QB tag is $26,895,000 so not sure why ppl think he will sign for $18M or $20M or even $25M.

Would the team let him walk for $28M? Seems stupid to me.

As has been mentioned by numerous reporters and by Kraft, the franchise tag removal was just so Brady could be a free agent. It doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t settle for less than that. Brady wanted a 2/50 extension in the summer and didn’t want to leave here per reports. Team said they wanted to go year-to-year with him from now on. Brady wasn’t happy and said fine, if you want to go year to year with me, I want to go year to year with you, so I insist you can’t use the franchise tag on me.

That said, I agree he won’t be back here for 18m unless his other offers are in that ballpark (as likely as the Jets winning next year’s Super Bowl in my opinion). But 1 year 25 million, he might even though it’s less than the tag figure.

 

[mgteich]

that is a question for Belichick.

I will make this prediction, although we may never know what has been offered to Tom.

I predict that at least 2 teams offer a longterm (2-3 year) contract with guarantees more than the contract that Belichick offers.

There are 2 separate issues. There are other teams with lots of cap money to spend. Also, Belichick doesn't want to guarantee much in a 2nd or 3rd year.
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You seem to be asking a very different question. I agree that Brady SHOULD BE much more valuable to the patriots than to any other team.

Why would any other team be willing to pay him more than we would? We have an offense built around him and no replacement and have been winning with him for 20 years.

 

[mgteich]

Why do you think that Brady would accept a 1 year deal for $25M?

Brady probably still wants a 2-year deal for $50M with more than $30M guaranteed. Whether the actual contract is a 2 or 3 year contract doesn't matter much.

So, do you think that others might offer a 2-3 year deal with say $35M-$40M guaranteed? I do. When you have $100M of cap money, you might offer more than what Belichick can/will.
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For those who think that it isn't about the money, I agree. It is about respect. Having Brady playing on 1-year show me contracts shows little respect. I suppose that BB might try the same tactic with McCourty.

As has been mentioned by numerous reporters and by Kraft, the franchise tag removal was just so Brady could be a free agent. It doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t settle for less than that. Brady wanted a 2/50 extension in the summer and didn’t want to leave here per reports. Team said they wanted to go year-to-year with him from now on. Brady wasn’t happy and said fine, if you want to go year to year with me, I want to go year to year with you, so I insist you can’t use the franchise tag on me.

That said, I agree he won’t be back here for 18m unless his other offers are in that ballpark (as likely as the Jets winning next year’s Super Bowl in my opinion). But 1 year 25 million, he might even though it’s less than the tag figure.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

From a cap perspective doesn't a multi year deal make more sense for brady and mccourty. Lowers the cap hit the first two years yes ,??

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Why do you think that Brady would accept a 1 year deal for $25M?

Brady probably still wants a 2-year deal for $50M with more than $30M guaranteed. Whether the actual contract is a 2 or 3 year contract doesn't matter much.

So, do you think that others might offer a 2-3 year deal with say $35M-$40M guaranteed? I do. When you have $100M of cap money, you might offer more than what Belichick can/will.
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For those who think that it isn't about the money, I agree. It is about respect. Having Brady playing on 1-year show me contracts shows little respect. I suppose that BB might try the same tactic with McCourty.

I said be might take 1 year 25 million, not that he would. Why might he? Because the story is that he’s not necessarily chasing the last dollar.

I agree someone will knock him over. It depends a lot on who the someone is. If the Chargers offer 3/100 with 40 guaranteed and the Patriots come back with 1/25, will he leave? What if it were Cleveland with McDaniels as HC? What if it’s Carolina with their new HC? What if it’s the Jets with Gase? How about the Buccaneers? What if McDaniels is still the OC in New England? I think Brady’s answer is not the same for each of those situations.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

From a cap perspective doesn't a multi year deal make more sense for brady and mccourty. Lowers the cap hit the first two years yes ,??

Depends on what you think is most likely. If you think there’s a decent chance you’ll need to cut the guy before his contract is up, it’ll cause cap problems at the end of the contract. If not, you’ll be fine and it’ll help short term.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Unless he is offered Chris Conley for Gilmore at the last minute.

I laughed at thi

I said be might take 1 year 25 million, not that he would. Why might he? Because the story is that he’s not necessarily chasing the last dollar.

I agree someone will knock him over. It depends a lot on who the someone is. If the Chargers offer 3/100 with 40 guaranteed and the Patriots come back with 1/25, will he leave? What if it were Cleveland with McDaniels as HC? What if it’s Carolina with their new HC? What if it’s the Jets with Gase? How about the Buccaneers? What if McDaniels is still the OC in New England? I think Brady’s answer is not the same for each of those situations.

What if the reality is that the Patriots don’t Have a number for him and when he calls with any offer the Patriots say thank you for everything you have done.

 

[mgteich]

yes

A team can do that without actually giving the player any money in the 2nd and 3rd year. We signed Brady to a 3 year voidable contract that makes Brady a free agent.

Alternatively, the team can sign to player to a 3 year contract that guarantees the player more money.

From a cap perspective doesn't a multi year deal make more sense for brady and mccourty. Lowers the cap hit the first two years yes ,??

 

[Hammer of Thor]

What if the reality is that the Patriots don’t Have a number for him and when he calls with any offer the Patriots say thank you for everything you have done.

Um, if that’s the case, then get ready for a new QB next year....

 

[mgteich]

Cap problems if the team wants to cut the player early?

The very point of a long term contract for Brady or McCourty is to more cap money into the future when the player is replaced on the roster by someone on a rookie contract.

Depends on what you think is most likely. If you think there’s a decent chance you’ll need to cut the guy before his contract is up, it’ll cause cap problems at the end of the contract. If not, you’ll be fine and it’ll help short term.

 

[Ring 6]

Why do you think that Brady would accept a 1 year deal for $25M?

Brady probably still wants a 2-year deal for $50M with more than $30M guaranteed. Whether the actual contract is a 2 or 3 year contract doesn't matter much.

So, do you think that others might offer a 2-3 year deal with say $35M-$40M guaranteed? I do. When you have $100M of cap money, you might offer more than what Belichick can/will.
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For those who think that it isn't about the money, I agree. It is about respect. Having Brady playing on 1-year show me contracts shows little respect. I suppose that BB might try the same tactic with McCourty.

It’s not show me, it’s reality. No one knows how many years Brady has left but it’s not a lot. A series of one year contract makes the most sense. Paying Brady mostly while he plays and not throwing dead money into the future is the wisest move. That doesn’t have to mean he makes less money.
What is the point of guaranteeing money to beyond his retirement?

 

[XLIX]

It’s not show me, it’s reality. No one knows how many years Brady has left but it’s not a lot. A series of one year contract makes the most sense. Paying Brady mostly while he plays and not throwing dead money into the future is the wisest move. That doesn’t have to mean he makes less money.
What is the point of guaranteeing money to beyond his retirement?

If he retires, you don't have to pay him - even guaranteed money. Sure there's a little dead money to account for but that's no big deal. We got that right now that has to be dealt with one way or another.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Depends on what you think is most likely. If you think there’s a decent chance you’ll need to cut the guy before his contract is up, it’ll cause cap problems at the end of the contract. If not, you’ll be fine and it’ll help short term.

I'm not following. Explain? What if we got Brady and McCourty at a 4 year deal, big up front bonus etc, and the cap hit year1 and year2 are small. and If Brady retires in year3 or year4, is there a big cap hit in year 4? I didn't think so. Explain? Thanks !

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Cap problems if the team wants to cut the player early?

The very point of a long term contract for Brady or McCourty is to more cap money into the future when the player is replaced on the roster by someone on a rookie contract.

So hypothetically, now the Pats sign Brady for 3/100, with $39m signing bonus, 1m 2020 salary, $30m 2021 and 2022 salaries. Cap charge is $14m in 2020. Brady’s elbow gets worse and he becomes noodle arm Manning in 2020. The team cuts him at the end of the season. They still have $13m cap charges in 2021 and in 2022 to deal with. You paid him 40m for one season.

Compare the results if instead you gave Brady 1 year, 40m guaranteed. In the former situation, the extra $26m in cap space is spent on other players in 2020. But most likely if Brady performs that poorly the $26m won’t result in an extra championship (Manning example himself notwithstanding). Now you’re stuck with $13m less cap the next two years for your team. In the latter situation, you still have no championship in 2020, but you have that extra $13m available the following 2 years.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I'm not following. Explain? What if we got Brady and McCourty at a 4 year deal, big up front bonus etc, and the cap hit year1 and year2 are small. and If Brady retires in year3 or year4, is there a big cap hit in year 4? I didn't think so. Explain? Thanks !

The cap hit would be whatever signing bonus hadn’t been accounted for yet (plus any future guaranteed money they would need to pay). See my post above this for an example.

 

[Ring 6]

If he retires, you don't have to pay him - even guaranteed money. Sure there's a little dead money to account for but that's no big deal. We got that right now that has to be dealt with one way or another.

Exactly. But if it’s signing bonus you have to be a dlck and ask for it back. Why would brady even want to set up that situation?