Survey: how much should Brady be paid for him to stay next year?

[FCB02062]

Since the Jets game in September Tom Brady ranks as one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL...since that game Brady is 301-507-3146 with 17 TD and 8 int. His rating is 82.1, which is below Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew...I could go on.
Brady rates better than only 4 qualifying QBs in the league - Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, Baker Mayfield and Andy Dalton, so there's that, since game 3.
Tom Bradys 2019 performance does not warrant another contract UNLESS he takes a very small $ amount.
If you include his whole season Brady has an 88 rating and ranks 18th. Tom Brady has been a below average quarterback this season and UNLESS he does a complete 180 in the playoffs he does not deserve Krafty Bob breaking the bank for him.
No other quarterback in the NFL has exhibited such a drastic and marked CONSISTENT decline in 2019.

 

[wizwor]

You guys keep saying that he'll return next year to chase after a 7th ring. What if he already has it?

Let's hope. TB12 can go out on top and fade into the HoF. The team can move on to the next generation. That would be fun.

 

[Boomer B]

Since the Jets game in September Tom Brady ranks as one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL...since that game Brady is 301-507-3146 with 17 TD and 8 int. His rating is 82.1, which is below Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew...I could go on.
Brady rates better than only 4 qualifying QBs in the league - Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, Baker Mayfield and Andy Dalton, so there's that, since game 3.
Tom Bradys 2019 performance does not warrant another contract UNLESS he takes a very small $ amount.
If you include his whole season Brady has an 88 rating and ranks 18th. Tom Brady has been a below average quarterback this season and UNLESS he does a complete 180 in the playoffs he does not deserve Krafty Bob breaking the bank for him.
No other quarterback in the NFL has exhibited such a drastic and marked CONSISTENT decline in 2019.

So I guess no thought into why he’s the 18th rated QB should go into it, right? I mean, anyone else playing injured with league low offensive talent around him and an o-line that was in disarray much of the year would have just lit it up, right? We put Stidham in this year I guess the offence would have been tops in the league, right?

Unbelievable how some people on here can’t see how piss poor our WRs and TEs are and how our line was Swiss cheese for the better part of the season.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I think they'll wait to see whether Eli retires or goes to another team. Eli said this week that he doesn't want to be a backup, so if some team thinks Eli can help them as a starter for a year...for whatever reason ranging from feeling sheer desperation to fill seats to grooming a successor...Eli will probably play. If Eli plays, Brady will retire. If Eli retires, Kraft will pay Brady for at least one more season...i don't care if people think that's irrational...Brady has earned it. He is the Greatest of All Time at his position and without a doubt among the three or five greatest ever to play the game. The League is 100 years old.

I don't think Brady has more than one more season left in him...maybe the O line was largely to blame this year...fair enuff...but there was a big drop off in his performance in critical situations...and he made too many uncharacteristic mistakes, from poor throws in general to the pick six that ultimately was the differential in the Dolphins debacle (I do blame that loss primarily on the D when they couldn't stop the Fitz "juggernaut" on his final possession...but those points were, objectively, the difference in the game)...and yeah, Brady didn't have any real weapons to work with, other than #11, with whom he was truly comfortable...but Brady has figured out a way to make do too often in the past for me not to say that, if I'm being 100% honest with myself, there was something different this year.

If Eli keeps playing, I think Brady retires. Otherwise, I think Brady will want to stay in the league and not let some idiots on the thoroughly corrupt HOF committee five years from now make the argument that they can't leave out the guy who beat Brady x2 in the SB, no matter how lucky he was in one of those games and not matter how truly mediocre his Regular Season record is.

The New York and HSPN media are too powerful a presence in that room...put them together with the Dolts media, the Texas media, the Atlanta media, the Seattle media and the Cravens media...and there would be a critical mass in the room to make Brady have to enter Canton on the same day as a vastly inferior Eli, who will otherwise have to wait three or four years before he gets his Gold Jacket.

So yeah, cutting to the chase, ultimately my logic is that I think both Eli and Brady are done after one more season at the most. 43 isn't 45, but close enough.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is the modern-day NFL.

Going into a season without adequate backups on the OL and no one of consequence at WR other than Edelman is poor team-building.

This is a fantastic defense. But you need a good offense. You can't contain Baltimore and KC totally and then not be able to put up 27 against them. Which is how you win.

All season long we've seen a poor offense.

Let me say this again: Marshall Newhouse was eating Doritos on a couch before he found himself protecting Brady's blind side.

That is poor team building anyway you cut it.

& to top it off, while Newhouse was providing no resistance to rushers, giving Brady a second or two at best, the WRs couldn't get open, because they were substandard other than Edelman.

This is just poor.

If I were Brady, I'd be pissed at the lack of investment and poor planning after giving up so much in salary.

Listen to yourself.

Poor is 7-9.

They finished 12-4 almost 13-3 or even 14-2. Is that poor to you? Really?

7th in points
1st in points allowed
Excellent special teams

Big picture.

Not his best but a balanced team.

Can't win the SB or have the league's best record every year.

You are incredibly spoiled and need a reality check.

 

[JayNM]

So I guess no thought into why he’s the 18th rated QB should go into it, right? I mean, anyone else playing injured with league low offensive talent around him and an o-line that was in disarray much of the year would have just lit it up, right? We put Stidham in this year I guess the offence would have been tops in the league, right?

Unbelievable how some people on here can’t see how piss poor our WRs and TEs are and how our line was Swiss cheese for the better part of the season.

My problem with this argument is that you are just focusing on our team, in a vacuum.

Do all the other teams have better O-line and Receivers?

The answer is, obviously, no.

Brady has made a career making no-name WRs appear better than they are, but he's no longer in this phase of his career.

I have no idea what's going to happen this offseason.

 

[TBR]

This is the modern-day NFL.

Going into a season without adequate backups on the OL and no one of consequence at WR other than Edelman is poor team-building.

This is a fantastic defense. But you need a good offense. You can't contain Baltimore and KC totally and then not be able to put up 27 against them. Which is how you win.

All season long we've seen a poor offense.

Let me say this again: Marshall Newhouse was eating Doritos on a couch before he found himself protecting Brady's blind side.

That is poor team building anyway you cut it.

& to top it off, while Newhouse was providing no resistance to rushers, giving Brady a second or two at best, the WRs couldn't get open, because they were substandard other than Edelman.

This is just poor.

If I were Brady, I'd be pissed at the lack of investment and poor planning after giving up so much in salary.

Agreed. It's tough to evaluate Brady fairly given the clusterf*ck of a mess around him on offense, plus his injury. I doubt the media just made up his tennis elbow injury out of thin air.

 

[Boomer B]

My problem with this argument is that you are just focusing on our team, in a vacuum.

Do all the other teams have better O-line and Receivers?

The answer is, obviously, no.

Brady has made a career making no-name WRs appear better than they are, but he's no longer in this phase of his career.

I have no idea what's going to happen this offseason.

Fair enough, maybe Brady isn’t at the point where he can turn leftover meatloaf into a gourmet meal, but give him some quality ingredients and let’s see.

I differ with you about our WRs though. We are very near the bottom of the league in WR/TE groups.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Take Gronk out of the AFCCG last year and the Pats probably lose by 2 scores. Failure to replace him has really hurt this team. Brady has not played as well this year - how much is a possible decline in ability and how much is due to lack of weapons and line is the million dollar question. I still think he has enough in the tank for one more run in 2020 and w/o a ready now replacement I am just not sure there is a better option.

 

[upstater1]

Listen to yourself.

Poor is 7-9.

They finished 12-4 almost 13-3 or even 14-2. Is that poor to you? Really?

7th in points
1st in points allowed
Excellent special teams

Big picture.

Not his best but a balanced team.

Can't win the SB or have the league's best record every year.

You are incredibly spoiled and need a reality check.

Let's end this discussion because I don't much care for the way you distort everything that gets said. I never said anything about stats. I never said this team is poor.

Those are your distortions.

I said the WRs and the offense are poor.

So stop being totally ridiculous.

I'm done with you. Go on and twist things.

 

[FCB02062]

So I guess no thought into why he’s the 18th rated QB should go into it, right? I mean, anyone else playing injured with league low offensive talent around him and an o-line that was in disarray much of the year would have just lit it up, right? We put Stidham in this year I guess the offence would have been tops in the league, right?

Unbelievable how some people on here can’t see how piss poor our WRs and TEs are and how our line was Swiss cheese for the better part of the season.

Lots of excuses...so, Gardner Minshew has better weapons than Brady? Carson Wentz? Wentz was throwing to practice squad guys vs the Pats. Those guys are all rated higher than Brady...

 

[Boomer B]

Lots of excuses...so, Gardner Minshew has better weapons than Brady? Carson Wentz? Wentz was throwing to practice squad guys vs the Pats. Those guys are all rated higher than Brady...

So you put everything into QB rating. Was Wentz or Minshew injured? Pretty clear Brady has been. Brady has 1 year with mediocre QB rating while playing injured with poor offensive talent so let’s move on to a complete unknown in Stidham. Sounds like a great plan.

 

[IllegalContact]

regardless of what the underwear brigade says, it's time to turn the page

 

[ivanvamp]

This is the modern-day NFL.

Going into a season without adequate backups on the OL and no one of consequence at WR other than Edelman is poor team-building.

This is a fantastic defense. But you need a good offense. You can't contain Baltimore and KC totally and then not be able to put up 27 against them. Which is how you win.

All season long we've seen a poor offense.

Let me say this again: Marshall Newhouse was eating Doritos on a couch before he found himself protecting Brady's blind side.

That is poor team building anyway you cut it.

& to top it off, while Newhouse was providing no resistance to rushers, giving Brady a second or two at best, the WRs couldn't get open, because they were substandard other than Edelman.

This is just poor.

If I were Brady, I'd be pissed at the lack of investment and poor planning after giving up so much in salary.

There's only so much money to go around. I bet he's thrilled for the most part at how BB put the team together. I mean they won 12 games with Brady not even *remotely* having to carry them. That tells you that on the whole, the team they put around him was pretty damned good. There were two big-money (such as they were) signings that didn't end up working out: AB and Bennett. TB wanted them to keep Brown, but, well, that ship sailed. Bennett would be helping out the defense for sure, but they let him go in a trade. Otherwise, they spent pretty wisely. They accumulated a lot of talent but for various reasons it hasn't all worked out.

No way should they have given Trent Brown the kind of money that he got; that meant it was time for Wynn (a first round pick) to step up. He got hurt, but since he's been back, he's been solid. Karras is a veteran backup at C who's been....adequate. Not good, but adequate. Andrews' injury was very costly. They did put a lot of effort into the WR corps. They tried to sign Cook at TE. But because Gronk held things up, Cook signed elsewhere.

There really just wasn't much else they could do. It's easy to look back and say who they should and should not have acquired. Try doing it in real time and it's MUCH harder. They traded Thomas when AB looked really good, and then boom, AB went bye-bye. The only thing I think you can really fault them for is not getting after a better TE, but even there, they TRIED. There's just NO replacing Gronk. Develin's injury was huge, but you can't spend a lot of money on a FB. They tried another guy who looked good (blanking on his name suddenly) before HE got hurt. Now Roberts finally seems to have filled in nicely.

What's Brady REALLY got to be pissed about? Seriously?

 

[ivanvamp]

Ya, I can just imagine that meeting.

Kraft - Hey Tom, thanks for making my team the 2nd most valuable franchise in the league and improving my net worth by billions but I think the best move for us is to make you one of the lowest paid starters in the league at $18m

Belichick - Ya Tom, sorry about giving you nothing other then Edelman to throw to and those injuries you took because I had Newhouse protecting your blind side....ha, well, couldn’t see that coming...but, well...we think being the lowest paid at your position is the way to go. $18m take it or leave it. Oh, and by the way, thanks for helping make me the highest paid coach in football.

Tom - down year Bill. You gonna take a cut in pay also?

Bill - this is about you Tom, not me

Tom - ok, I’m off to the Chargers for $30m a year. Great RBs, great WRs, great TE, and I think I’ll take Josh McDaniels with me. Have fun rolling with Stidham against that schedule next year.

Really?

 

[Boomer B]

There's only so much money to go around. I bet he's thrilled for the most part at how BB put the team together. I mean they won 12 games with Brady not even *remotely* having to carry them. That tells you that on the whole, the team they put around him was pretty damned good. There were two big-money (such as they were) signings that didn't end up working out: AB and Bennett. TB wanted them to keep Brown, but, well, that ship sailed. Bennett would be helping out the defense for sure, but they let him go in a trade. Otherwise, they spent pretty wisely. They accumulated a lot of talent but for various reasons it hasn't all worked out.

No way should they have given Trent Brown the kind of money that he got; that meant it was time for Wynn (a first round pick) to step up. He got hurt, but since he's been back, he's been solid. Karras is a veteran backup at C who's been....adequate. Not good, but adequate. Andrews' injury was very costly. They did put a lot of effort into the WR corps. They tried to sign Cook at TE. But because Gronk held things up, Cook signed elsewhere.

There really just wasn't much else they could do. It's easy to look back and say who they should and should not have acquired. Try doing it in real time and it's MUCH harder. They traded Thomas when AB looked really good, and then boom, AB went bye-bye. The only thing I think you can really fault them for is not getting after a better TE, but even there, they TRIED. There's just NO replacing Gronk. Develin's injury was huge, but you can't spend a lot of money on a FB. They tried another guy who looked good (blanking on his name suddenly) before HE got hurt. Now Roberts finally seems to have filled in nicely.

What's Brady REALLY got to be pissed about? Seriously?

Curran, who’s connected to the Brady camp has written and talked on his podcast about how Brady knew in training camp that they didn’t have the weapons on offence. No TEs and limited WRs outside of Edelman. Curran spoke about how in previous seasons Brady and McDaniels would be excited prepping as they knew they’d be able to lay 30 or more against an opponent. This season is a different story. They’re going into games struggling to figure out how to get this offence going.

What’s he got to be pissed about? I guess he thought maybe they would have gotten someone who resembled an NFL TE and a competent WR to go along with Edelman. They even screwed up trading for Sanu instead of Sanders.

Brady knew come playoff time they’re gonna have to put up some points with the Chiefs and others in the mix. He just wanted the horses to be able to do so.

 

[VrabelJr]

This thread is ricockulous. He should be paying us to have a spot on the franchise he won 6 (7?) Super Bowls with. ****in’ millennials. Next thing you know Brady will be serving oat milk lattes down in Cambridge because his Eastern European Yogurt History Degree from Michigan can’t get him a real job.

 

[Ring 6]

Since the Jets game in September Tom Brady ranks as one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL...since that game Brady is 301-507-3146 with 17 TD and 8 int. His rating is 82.1, which is below Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew...I could go on.
Brady rates better than only 4 qualifying QBs in the league - Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, Baker Mayfield and Andy Dalton, so there's that, since game 3.
Tom Bradys 2019 performance does not warrant another contract UNLESS he takes a very small $ amount.
If you include his whole season Brady has an 88 rating and ranks 18th. Tom Brady has been a below average quarterback this season and UNLESS he does a complete 180 in the playoffs he does not deserve Krafty Bob breaking the bank for him.
No other quarterback in the NFL has exhibited such a drastic and marked CONSISTENT decline in 2019.

Qb rating is an arbitrary statistic formula designed for people who know nothing about football to have a way to compare various statistics.
To use it as a ranking system is to say you know nothing about football.

 

[upstater1]

What's Brady REALLY got to be pissed about? Seriously?

They could have done more.

I know very well there's only so much money to go around. I'm saying it was allocated badly. We could have the best defense in the NFL and it wouldn't cover up the lack of investment on the offense, because in today's NFL, there is no defense that can prevent KC from scoring 24. Or Baltimore. Your offense has to score 27 against those teams for you to win.

For instance, take Terrence Brooks's money and Bolden's money, and get yourself two OL backups. Newhouse, Elmuenor, etc., these late adds were very bad and just highlighted the fact that we went into the season without capable backups except for Karras.

We went into the season without Anotnio Brown--it was a fluke he was even available, so he wasn't even a part of the plans. He couldn't have been. Instead we signed cut-rate WRs we signed like Harris, Inman and Thomas. Do better there. Draft more TEs and WRs too for backup depth. We had enough extra picks to take another guy and a TE, like Mecole Hardman, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Irv Smith Jr., Terry McLaurin, Dawson Knox, Hunter Renfrow, Darius Slayton, Kaden Smith, etc. Hell we dumped a few late round picks because we didn't want to use them. Surely, we could have thrown darts at 3 OLs and hoped one of them would be a better backup than the disasters we rostered.

 

[upstater1]

Lots of excuses...so, Gardner Minshew has better weapons than Brady? Carson Wentz? Wentz was throwing to practice squad guys vs the Pats. Those guys are all rated higher than Brady...

Me, personally, I think I'd rather throw to Zach Ertz, Dallas Goedert, Alshon Jeffrey, Miles Sanders and even Agolor over Matt Lacosse, Ben Watson, Julian Edelman, Mo Sanu, and Philip Dorsett (both rookies Artega-Whiteside and N'Keal Harry got limited play).