Official Post Game Thread - Pats beat the Bengals

[PittPatriot]

Forbath just nailed a 50 yarder

Good to see him land on his feet.

 

[PittPatriot]

Manning took HGH

Case closed

Patriots fans like us believe that.
Everyone else gives him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[luuked]

Not a comfortable in the pocket. Rushing his throws....

He had time on the fourth down to Sanu but he blasted the ball to him which made a catch considerably more difficult. Same with the overthrow in the endzone although that was a much more difficult throw which nevertheless Brady has nailed many, many times in his career.

All I am saying is I can see how the elbow would affect that aspect.

 

[Ring 6]

Interesting observation by Dunn about Brady and his issues. He is anything but a hot take artist and for anyone not knowing him a hardcore x/0 person:



I can see where an elbow injury would affect just that.

I think a lot of it is timing and practice time. Brady has made a career out of throwing away from danger. When the receivers don’t understand that the throws can look off target.
But he also, far more than ever, purposely throws a ball that isn’t near anyone when no one is open. One today looked like it was overthrown by 10 yards. There was an end zone pass to dorsett a few weeks ago that looked like a bad throw until the tape showed dorsett stopped.

 

[borg]

2007 .... no one padded stats more than Brady

The butthurtness of the home teamers is on full display with all the dislikes about my “Brady padding stats in 2007” truth.
Take the blinders off every once and awhile

Let’s review
Pats won 10 games by 20+ points in 2007 including 46, 45, 31 point wins

Cassel threw 7 passes all season

Pats had 3 times as many passing TDs as rushing 50 vs 17)

16-0
#1 seed with weeks to spare
And Brady is chasing records that are meaningless to the team’s ultimate goal.

This is the purest definition of stat padding you will ever encounter

Selective obliviousness is no way to go through life

When Manning or Brees rifle TDs into endzones while up by 30+ this board becomes triggered to no end. I’ve read such posts by the Brady defenders who delegitimize any great QB play at every opportunity.
When the sacred cow fires a late TD while up 35, crickets.
Fan boy consistency on full display

Manning and Brees have passed for essentially one more TD per season than sacred cow Brady resulting in the preposterous claim, “these QB’s are serial stat padders”
Imagine if they averaged two more.
You might come out of momma’s basement and riot.

Now back to your chores......clean up that Brady FatHead over your bunk bed. Are those smudges or what?

 

[RobertWeathers]

He had time on the fourth down to Sanu but he blasted the ball to him which made a catch considerably more difficult. Same with the overthrow in the endzone although that was a much more difficult throw which nevertheless Brady has nailed many, many times in his career.

All I am saying is I can see how the elbow would affect that aspect.

I agree with you. Just saying hes not comfortable and rushing his throws when he doesn't need to.

 

[mgteich]

fixed

You’re moving Thuney?

.

 

[SVN]

Interesting observation by Dunn about Brady and his issues. He is anything but a hot take artist and for anyone not knowing him a hardcore x/0 person:



I can see where an elbow injury would affect just that.

i think his elbow is bothering him certain type of throws for sure.

 

[SVN]

I agree with you. Just saying hes not comfortable and rushing his throws when he doesn't need to.

playing behind mason and co. in their current form can make you do that.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

And, Cincy is nowhere near a 1-13 team. They have good players in different spots of the field. I've seen worse 6-10 teams than that by far.

Anyway, I saw some good things, clearly the involvement of Harry where he's not treated like he has an early form of leprosy. His big, strong and runs well in space. We should be celebrating this instead of acting like BB cant' draft and continuing to bang that tired, worn out drum.

Brady still struggled with poor passes for 2 TDs, one to Sanu before the half and a poor, low pass to Michel for a walk-in TD. Michel could have stopped to try to bend over to catch it better, but that's not the point. Brady is even off trying to hit a wide open Edelman as well. I think even Brady is pressing a bit with his later developing season attempt to get a rapport going. I see it as more mental than anything. Karras returning also helped nicely.

Overall, good job involving all of the starting backs with good talent. VERY nice to see that underneath screen to Michel down the middle. This is what I am talking about right there. My lone complaint is never really any true 2 back sets enough to keep it on the field for a sustained period. I still will never understand this when you ARGUABLY the best RB group 1-4 in the conference. No other team can turn to a 3rd or 4th RB and say "run it for us or be ready for a pass"...We have it, we just don't see it enough, but overall, good job to run and pass with the top 3 guys.

LaCosse is frustrating as a blocker. I realize it's not his thing, but I'd like to see more violence out of him in the role. Watson has never been a blocker either, but LaCosse can do better. That one strong side run in the second half was pretty bad.

On D and STs, what can you say? They held another team to 13 points or less and Gilmore has simply been a beast. SHelton had a nice game, too.

Not understanding the Terrence Brooks infatuation. I saw him in man on Eifert before the snap and knew it was going there. Chung appears to be fighting off nagging injuries and it's probably his last season, so sit him down for the postseason push. They'll need his brilliance in that Rover role on the TEs.

A good first step to establishing a baseline with a commitment ot the run and using your talented players. I'd like to see more and more of it. Entrust the players. If you don't use them, you'll never know what you have.

I look forward to a better defensive challenge next week from Buffalo to see if they can keep this up.

It's a weird season when your D and STs are the best in the conference and it feels like the team is treading water, but I think the offense can only go up.

 

[mgteich]

Harry's 40 snaps and OK execution has moved Harry to be our starter opposite Edelman. Our other receivers are Sanu and White. Absent injuries, we have little reason to want to see Dorsett or Meyers. That being said, given the injuries of Edelman and Sanu, it would be good if one of them could contribute a bit.

 

[Quest4SevenHomie]

This team needed a TE so badly. A quality TE would've made all the difference. Watching 49ers' Kittle reminds me so much of a prime Gronk and just brings a tear to my eye how Belichick couldn't get an insurance policy once Gronk retired.

Edelman can't be relied upon anymore, since he's injured. So there's really nobody other than James White. Sanu is absolute garbage. Hopefully he's gone next year. Dorsett has regressed, just like Hogan did. Not of surprising.

 

[PatsWSB47]

The butthurtness of the home teamers is on full display with all the dislikes about my “Brady padding stats in 2007” truth.
Take the blinders off every once and awhile

Let’s review
Pats won 10 games by 20+ points in 2007 including 46, 45, 31 point wins

Cassel threw 7 passes all season

Pats had 3 times as many passing TDs as rushing 50 vs 17)

16-0
#1 seed with weeks to spare
And Brady is chasing records that are meaningless to the team’s ultimate goal.

This is the purest definition of stat padding you will ever encounter

Selective obliviousness is no way to go through life

When Manning or Brees rifle TDs into endzones while up by 30+ this board becomes triggered to no end. I’ve read such posts by the Brady defenders who delegitimize any great QB play at every opportunity.
When the sacred cow fires a late TD while up 35, crickets.
Fan boy consistency on full display

Manning and Brees have passed for essentially one more TD per season than sacred cow Brady resulting in the preposterous claim, “these QB’s are serial stat padders”
Imagine if they averaged two more.
You might come out of momma’s basement and riot.

Now back to your chores......clean up that Brady FatHead over your bunk bed. Are those smudges or what?

Stats? You're misusing stats

 

[mgteich]

Yes, we need a #1 TE. LeCosse is likely to compete for one of the backup positions in 2020.

Yes, we need a WR to replace Dorsett and probably Meyers. We will have solid starters in Edelman and Harry.

Sanu is injured and is likely to be in camp competing next year. He is an inexpensive #3 or #4 WR, and even OK as a #5. To put it another way, I don't have a reasonable expectation that we be able to add enough WR's to end up with three contributing replacements on the 53. Two is plenty to ask for. We can certainly hope that both are better than Sanu. That's fine; I'd still keep Sanu.

This team needed a TE so badly. A quality TE would've made all the difference. Watching 49ers' Kittle reminds me so much of a prime Gronk and just brings a tear to my eye how Belichick couldn't get an insurance policy once Gronk retired.

Edelman can't be relied upon anymore, since he's injured. So there's really nobody other than James White. Sanu is absolute garbage. Hopefully he's gone next year. Dorsett has regressed, just like Hogan did. Not of surprising.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah, at this point Sanu getting 5o more snaps than Meyers doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.

On another note, saw that Collins doesn’t even have a quarterback hit since the Browns game. What’s up with that?

Still laughing at the majority of respondents who listed Collins as a top 5 MVP of the 2019 Patriots...and left Edelman off. Almost as funny as someone arguing with me after week 8 that Collins was more deserving of DPOY than Gilmore.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ha Bennett moved upfield too fast and left a wide open lane for Gurley

 

[Froob]

Forbath just nailed a 50 yarder

Ah well, Folk has been good.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Most QB stats are "padded" when the team is losing and the defense is giving up yards for time. There is probably no QB in the history of the NFL who has trailed less frequently than Brady.

The 2007 did not kneel the ball when up 20+ points in the 2nd half but they also did not go for meaningless TD's late in the game. Pats 3 biggest blow outs in 2007 - Brady threw a total of 3 TD"s in the 2nd half of those games (Dolphins 49-28, Washington 52-7, Buffalo 56-10) Unless you believe the Pats should quick trying on offense once the 2nd half starts then the padded stat argument is nonsense. But hey, don't let actual facts get in the way of a cool story.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

The O line has been a problem due to injuries and poor play from Mason and Cannon. What you see is what you get there and TB needs to adjust his game to having less pocket time and the holes may not be there for running backs against playoff caliber teams. Why BB didn't address the two big needs on offense this year (a speedy WR and a decent TE) is a mystery and McDaniels' unit is suffering because of it. Also, no blocking FB due to injuries. Couldn't Dwayne Allen or Matt Lengel fill in at TE, likewise Lagarrette Blount or Jeremy Hill at FB (all conversant with the Pats system). Right now, they would be better than what we have now, which is nothing.

 

[farn]

Was praising Dorsett earlier this year. I’ve been disappointed that he hasn’t done more.