To Everyone Blaming Brady

[sean10mm]

They were on the same page against third stringers and players that are playing arena football now.



What do you think they are doing all week ?

Apparently no practices happened after OTAs lmao

 

[PP2]

The receivers aren’t great, but they are also not so bad that the offense should be this inept.

Yes, they were, and are that bad. Outside of Edelman, we saw a lot of errors- running to the wrong spots, failing to finish routes, or running them half-assed (looking at you, Harry) cutting off before the sticks, and crucial drops. Dorsett, Meyers, and Harry failed to see or process Brady's route alternation signals ("gun," "go," "comeback").

 

[luuked]

It may help to simplify the offense down a bit so that rookie receivers can catch on more quickly...but that's little too late for 2019.

This will have an adverse effect on Brady though. His biggest advantage is that he can recognize what a defense is doing better than most other QBs and switch to the correct play to exploit that / find the mismatch.

If you take away some of the additional calls/tools they added over the years it will make him less efficient and most probably even more frustrated because he will know what to do but won't have any means to switch to that anymore.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And Hogan has... 3 receptions for 24 yards all year.

Whatever people think these guys still have in the tank after getting moved/cut/not signed by the Patriots, uhhhhh they don't.

How a player does on one team is not indicative of how he would do with the Patriots if they had kept him. I'm not saying Hogan would light the world on fire or anything here, but you can't make the extrapolation that he would be ineffective in NE based on poor stats with another team.

 

[ivanvamp]

Edelman is great.
Sanu is definitely better than average. Look at his page on pro-football-reference.com.
Dorsett is average.
Watson is an average pass-catching TE.
White is an elite receiving back.

Brady has quality people to throw to. Is this Moss/Welker/Stallworth or Gronk/Edelman/Gordon? No, obviously. But he's won Super Bowls with less skill position talent.

Brady is not the one to "blame" here, but he's definitely *part* of the problem. He's not been TOM BRADY this year. He's definitely good enough to win a Super Bowl with, obviously. But he's not good enough right now to elevate the rest of the offense like he used to.

That's just a fact. The team needs to improve a bunch of ways. First and foremost: health. Half the frigging team had the flu yesterday and took two planes down to Houston - one with "healthy" players and one with sick players. Hard to win on the road against a quality opponent like that.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Not sure if this was posted in another thread...but it's good stuff from Orlovsky on Brady lacking trust with everyone but Edelman

 

[Froob]

BB let Hogan leave because he didn't want to pay him.

Hogan got close to the minimum lol

 

[luuked]

There was a time when Brady took his WRs to a "holiday boot camp" taking time to develop some trust between each other, for them knowing what he demands from you to be on the same page, nowadays he travels to China and advertise TB12 methodes in the offseason ,so yeah theres some room to improve the trust building process...I don't want to blame TB but he should not cry about missing trust and reps with the WR corps if he isn't using as much time as possible to build up the trust he requires to use them at the highest level.

What you think of as holiday bootcamp is nothing more than a glorified throwing session without any defenders.

It struck me always more as something to build camaraderie than have an actual impact on how players understand the offense. Especially given that it was mostly Edelman and Dola who were invited.

1-2 days of camp is more of a learning experience than a weekend at Brady's given the circumstances.

Is missing the OTAs ideal ? No.
Would it help from a point of leadership to see him there ? Yeah, most probably.
Does it matter in the big scheme of things. Nope.
Is it better for your team if your 42 year old QB gets to spend more time with his family and then puts all his focus on football later in the year ? Absolutely.

Brady plays the offense according to the playbook and all the option routes and adjustments are in there. And the issues right now are not fine tuning things but pretty fundamental stuff like Harry allowing a DB to run through him on an in-cut. If his time with coaches didn't help him understand how to play this I don't see how time with Brady would help.

 

[ensoul]

Receivers are awful but Brady is to the point where he can no longer make something out of nothing.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Receivers are awful but Brady is to the point where he can no longer make something out of nothing.

The guy’s 42 years old. If he was 30 something maybe he would.

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

The way i see it only one guy can transform this offense but i don’t know if the pats will do it this week. Still don’t know why we didn’t draft a tight end.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

 

[Kontradiction]

Yes, they were, and are that bad. Outside of Edelman, we saw a lot of errors- running to the wrong spots, failing to finish routes, or running them half-assed (looking at you, Harry) cutting off before the sticks, and crucial drops. Dorsett, Meyers, and Harry failed to see or process Brady's route alternation signals ("gun," "go," "comeback").

How the hell did Meyers not run the go on that play? How in God’s name would you think that Brady is telling you to run the hook?

 

[Jimke]

For those of you who think we are all set at wide receiver, think again.
The only two players that get open consistently are Julian Edelman and
James White.
The defense showed its vulnerability when the Texans ran the same exact
play twice in a row. The first time Jonathan Jones stripped the ball away
in the end zone but the second time he did not.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Not sure if this was posted in another thread...but it's good stuff from Orlovsky on Brady lacking trust with everyone but Edelman

This explains a lot.

Brady is just plain frustrated with these guys and for good reason. Dorset should be better than this after a few years here and some success, like he's regressed some. Harry is a rookie so take that for what it is. Meyers makes mistakes but he also makes plays and is showing flashes, which is why Brady continues to go to him.

 

[borg]

Truthfully
Could be the slowest pass catching corp in the NFL
Dorset’s speed is a myth until proven differently

 

[TomPatriot]

Harry was obviously in the doghouse after that one pick too.

I watched this frame by frame. He "rounded" his route at the break instead of cutting it. If he cuts it, that might be a catch or PI on Roby.

As for not fighting through Roby, I wonder if he was trying to stay beyond the sticks to pick up the first.

I was wrong - Brady's pass was adequate.

 

[FCB02062]

The 2013 Patriots played the majority of the regular season without an injured Gronkowski. Brady's receivers were Edelman, Amendola, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins, Josh Boyce, AUSTIN COLLIE, and Michael Hoomanawanui...in the "non Gronkowski" games the offense averaged 24 points a game...

Point is, Brady has played with subpar receivers before - but back in 2013 I'm pretty sure Brady was at OTAs working with Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson..

 

[carmelo15]

Everyone has a hand in the awful offense. The idea that Brady is without blame is hilarious.

However, McD has to shoulder some of the blame.

Our running game was effective last night especially after the first drive. Michel was finding holes in the middle to exploit.

Yet inexplicably, McD went pass heavy there afterwards.

Our OL did a decent job last night both run and pass blocking.

It's clear Brady doesn't trust our receivers outside of Edelman. It didn't help that when he did throw to a covered guy (Harry) it got picked off. On that play, the CB knew exactly what route Harry was running and jumped it.

I don't think Brady throwing tantrums in the sideline is helping. It looks stupid like when Marino used to throw tantrums towards the end of his career. It looks like he's throwing his receivers under the bus.

That’s not a tantrum someone on twitter had to do hard work to find that. Nobody even knew about it during the game if it were a tantrum we would’ve seen it

 

[Uptown]

Truthfully
Could be the slowest pass catching corp in the NFL
Dorset’s speed is a myth until proven differently

Nope. Eagles.