Beginning To Understand How Goodell Issued Defaltegate Ruling

[shmessy]

Roger Goodell says NFL sees no evidence of teams tanking

 

[Froob]

...So what's the evidence? The Dolphins sold off good players but, it's not like they're going into games actively trying to lose. Players don't go into games trying to lose, that would only cost them money and plus they may not even be a part of the future.

Flores wouldn't have put Fitzpatrick into the game if he was trying to lose, he'd have stuck with a struggling Rosen.

 

[shmessy]

...So what's the evidence? The Dolphins sold off good players but, it's not like they're going into games actively trying to lose. Players don't go into games trying to lose, that would only cost them money and plus they may not even be a part of the future.

Flores wouldn't have put Fitzpatrick into the game if he was trying to lose, he'd have stuck with a struggling Rosen.

I think the point is about the franchise, not the players who are trying to make a career.

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[Joey007]

It took this to understand how that goon’s mind works?

I think not.

 

[NashuaPats]

 

[imahobgoblin]

Flores is not intentionally throwing games. They just sold off the roster and do not have the talent to win any. Is that tanking? I dunno.

 

[Froob]

I think the point is about the franchise, not the players who are trying to make a career.

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There's really no need to tank in the NFL, there's quality in the draft through out. It's not at all like the NBA. I don't think a punishment is needed because it's a bad plan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Flores is not intentionally throwing games. They just sold off the roster and do not have the talent to win any. Is that tanking? I dunno.

Yes, that's obviously tanking.

 

[TB_Helmet]

When I read the Deflategate hearing transcripts I understood right away in that we were dealing with a person who was uninterested in finding the truth and instead had an outcome on which he had already decided regardless of the facts. Reason and logic had nothing to do with it.

As far as tanking, as has been discussed before, it makes a lot more sense in the NBA where there is sometimes a player who will singlehandedly change the course of your franchise for years. That's a lot harder to come by in the NFL since the rosters are so much bigger, and the only position that has the ability to do that is the QB. So there's a lot less incentive to actively tank (and thus, unbelievably, Ginger Hammer might have a point).

The counterargument to that is if you think Tua will indeed be an All Pro QB for years. Perhaps, but 'sure things' are much more so in the NBA than in the NFL (witness the multitude of number one pick QBs who didn't work out). We'll see.

Regardless of that, I'm not sure trading players for draft picks as the Dolphins did means that you're actively trying to lose; it might just mean you don't care about this season and want to stockpile (ETA although getting a better draft pick is obviously a nice side-effect). The worst thing that could have happened to them in terms of tanking was beating another winless team in Washington, which they came very close to doing and as was mentioned put a QB in who gave them a better chance to win.

 

[Soliel]

What about the suck for luck year? I think that was tanking.

For other teams that are historically bad but go 0-16 ten straight years. It’s just that always sucked

 

[Froob]

What about the suck for luck year? I think that was tanking.

For other teams that are historically bad but go 0-16 ten straight years. It’s just that always sucked

I think the Colts tank was a bit overblown. Why did they bench Painter?

 

[TB_Helmet]

What about the suck for luck year? I think that was tanking.

For other teams that are historically bad but go 0-16 ten straight years. It’s just that always sucked

Yeah from what I recall of that season it seemed like the Colts were actively trying to lose more on the field through their play calling than the Dolphins are this year. I can’t provide specifics though.

Luck is actually a good example of the futility of tanking. Even if he had had a good OL his whole career I’m not sure he’s good enough to change the course of a franchise for a decade. You could argue he wasn’t even the best QB in that draft (Wilson went in the third round).

 

[Kontradiction]

Flores is not intentionally throwing games. They just sold off the roster and do not have the talent to win any. Is that tanking? I dunno.

That’s definitely tanking. They’re intentionally putting an inferior team on the field to increase their chances of losing games and getting the #1 overall pick for Tua.

 

[shmessy]

There's really no need to tank in the NFL, there's quality in the draft through out. It's not at all like the NBA. I don't think a punishment is needed because it's a bad plan.

Wow. I don't know exactly WHAT to say to this post.........

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[Pat the Pats Fan]

week 17 2019 line up for the Miami Dolphins as shown on CBS.
starting at QB, Pick 1 Round 1 draft pick 2020
starting at LT, Pick 2 Round 1 draft pick 2020
starting at RB, Pick 1 Round 2 draft pick 2020
starting at WR, Pick 2 Round 2 draft pick 2020
and on and on......

 

[Soliel]

Yeah from what I recall of that season it seemed like the Colts were actively trying to lose more on the field through their play calling than the Dolphins are this year. I can’t provide specifics though.

Luck is actually a good example of the futility of tanking. Even if he had had a good OL his whole career I’m not sure he’s good enough to change the course of a franchise for a decade. You could argue he wasn’t even the best QB in that draft (Wilson went in the third round).

Wouldn’t it have been hillarious if Luck found Indy wanted him and he tanked throws in college to avoid going there

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Its been more then obvious for weeks now.

It's a full on tank no debating now.

Not exactly handling the QB situation well either. Declare Rosen the starter for the rest of the year. He looks awful. Team is awful. You pull him. Bench him.

Thats exactly what NOT to do when handling the position, a young QB & not the impression you want to give off to other player/future players.

Rosen has been in the worst situations since college. OC after OC. Jason Campbell says enough. Release the player. Everyone knows what you think of him now. He has 0 value.

Flores definitely has his work cut out. Washington, Cincinnati, Arizona. Those teams are legit bad. Miami looks a tier below them imo. Maybe its me but this is one of the worst teams Ive seen in a long time.

 

[Froob]

Yeah from what I recall of that season it seemed like the Colts were actively trying to lose more on the field through their play calling than the Dolphins are this year. I can’t provide specifics though.

Luck is actually a good example of the futility of tanking. Even if he had had a good OL his whole career I’m not sure he’s good enough to change the course of a franchise for a decade. You could argue he wasn’t even the best QB in that draft (Wilson went in the third round).

The Colts cleaned house. Why would they tank without assurance of their jobs unless Irsay screwed them?

I think they were just an old team that got hit with some bad injuries and had really bad QBs. Painter wasn’t wasn’t even CFL quality and Kerry Collins was ancient and brought in at the last minute outta retirement with no off season with the team. Their other QB was in infamous Dan Orlovsky. Enough said.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Wow. I don't know exactly WHAT to say to this post.........

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Is he wrong?

Here's the list of #1 overall picks since 2001 (i.e. the start of the dynasty):

Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Mario Williams, JaMarcus Russell, Jake Long, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Eric Fisher, Jadeveon Clowney, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Myles Garrett, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray

How many of those guys were worth throwing away your season for?

Luck I guess
Maybe Vick if he hadn't gotten into trouble
Long and Garrett were / have been excellent at their positions but not sure I'd go 0-16 intentionally to try to get them.
Jury is out on Murray
Everyone else on there is either super average or flat out bad.

Sure by starting in the Brady era I cut out Pink Head and Orlando Pace, and sure, maybe Tua will be better than any of those guys, but do you really think so?

It's just too hard to identify who's going to save your franchise. In retrospect it may very well have been worth tanking for Pat Mahomes, but he went 10th!

 

[Froob]

@TB_Helmet plus you have a long ways to go after even getting that guy to fielding a contender. Plus guys get fired a lot quicker in the nfl than the nba and you don’t really treadmill in the nfl like you do the nba.