Antonio Brown

[Biffins]

if kraft is likely on the hook for the $9m which has been reported..why would AB being put on the EL matter? Let the investigation and civil suit play out and he might only miss 6 games or so if innocent. If guilty, cut him then.
The NFL letting kraft know he would go on the EL didn't mean kraft had to cut him beforehand. He probably thought he wouldn't have to pay..and maybe he won't.

Kraft probably figured if they released AB before the first $5m payment they could avoid paying the entire $9m. This could have resulted in the rush to release him once they suspected he was going on the EL. It's only become clear later after the grievance was filed that Pats likely have no way out of paying that $9m.

 

[dtbrks]

shoot me now and put me out of my misery with this sh!tty thread and arguments back and forth.

HE IS GONE AND NOT COMING BACK

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I sure as hell hope not. Not for me or my clients, for that matter, given you're obvious blindness to risk.

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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I sure as hell hope not. Not for me or my clients, for that matter, given you're obvious blindness to risk.

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Your precise calculation: I’ll have no risk at all if make the reward zero!

 

[shmessy]

Not sure what you mean by "excuse them". AB was wrong to send them. That doesn't mean he deserves to be deprived of his livelihood. It's a disproportionate reaction.

Well, Mr Fund Manager, if it became public knowledge that you gathered 3 of your posse and unsolicited group texted someone who had accused you of sexual impropriety and threatened to have her investigated while instructing your friends on the group text that she was on to use a picture of her children for that investigation........unless you are the owner of the fund company....then, yes, you would be relieved of your job immediately. My firm would fire me too. It's pretty universal.

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[Biffins]

Well, Mr Fund Manager, if it became public knowledge that you gathered 3 of your posse and unsolicited group texted someone who had accused you of sexual impropriety and threatened to have her investigated while instructing your friends on the group text that she was on to use a picture of her children for that investigation........unless you are the owner of the fund company....then, yes, you would be relieved of your job immediately. My firm would fire me too. It's pretty universal.

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You're wrong.

It's not so simple when no laws are broken. You'll be opening yourself to liability for firing without cause. In the NFL they can do that because of the CBA. In any other job you're protected by the law.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well, Mr Fund Manager, if it became public knowledge that you gathered 3 of your posse and unsolicited group texted someone who had accused you of sexual impropriety and threatened to have her investigated while instructing your friends on the group text that she was on to use a picture of her children for that investigation........unless you are the owner of the fund company....then, yes, you would be relieved of your job immediately. My firm would fire me too. It's pretty universal.

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Do you know what a fund manager actually does? Seems like you think it’s something it isn’t.

 

[shmessy]

Do you know what a fund manager actually does? Seems like you think it’s something it isn’t.

27 years a CFP, kiddo. I know. Any mutual fund manager employed by any fund company that markets to the public doing what Brown did with that group harrassment text is out on the street within minutes of that hitting the media.

Minutes.

It looks like YOU are the one who is out of his element here.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

lol

Biffins you seem like a good natured poster. I like that. I respect your opinion although I think you are probably young and like the excitement of diva players. I am old and want players to shut up and play.

I would be the Lion and you would be the scarecrow

 

[QuantumMechanic]

You're wrong.

It's not so simple when no laws are broken. You'll be opening yourself to liability for firing without cause. In the NFL they can do that because of the CBA. In any other job you're protected by the law.

Hahahahahaha!

It’s the default in the US (except for perhaps Montana) that you can be fired without cause. That’s what “at-will” employment means.

 

[Biffins]

27 years a CFP, kiddo. I know. Any mutual fund manager employed by any fund company that markets to the public doing what Brown did with that group harrassment text is out on the street within minutes of that hitting the media.

Minutes.

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You gave Gavin Baker as an example. Here's a report below on him. Doesn't sound like he got fired "within minutes" from Fidelity. They conducted an investigation, did the interviews, found the evidence, determined he broke the company's handbook rules, and fired him for the violation. It's not just a case of "Oh you got accused by someone, out you go".


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"The Wall Street Journal first reported the 41-year-old Baker’s firing and the sexual harassment claim.

The female employee is a research associate at Fidelity, according to the person familiar with the situation, who spoke to the Business Journal on the condition of anonymity. After the company investigated the allegations, Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson decided to fire Baker, the person said.

Fidelity spokesman Vin Loporchio said the company does not comment on current or former employees. “However, speaking generally, when allegations of these sorts arise, we investigate them immediately and take prompt and appropriate action,” he said."

 

[Biffins]

Hahahahahaha!

It’s the default in the US (except for perhaps Montana) that you can be fired without cause. That’s what “at-will” employment means.

Ok fine. In UK and in Europe you can't.

 

[maust]

You're wrong.

It's not so simple when no laws are broken. You'll be opening yourself to liability for firing without cause. In the NFL they can do that because of the CBA. In any other job you're protected by the law.

No, you are
Obviously you have never at any point in your career handled terminations

 

[shmessy]

You gave Gavin Baker as an example. Here's a report below on him. Doesn't sound like he got fired "within minutes" from Fidelity. They conducted an investigation, did the interviews, found the evidence, determined he broke the company's handbook rules, and fired him for the violation. It's not just a case of "Oh you got accused by someone, out you go".


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"The Wall Street Journal first reported the 41-year-old Baker’s firing and the sexual harassment claim.

The female employee is a research associate at Fidelity, according to the person familiar with the situation, who spoke to the Business Journal on the condition of anonymity. After the company investigated the allegations, Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson decided to fire Baker, the person said.

Fidelity spokesman Vin Loporchio said the company does not comment on current or former employees. “However, speaking generally, when allegations of these sorts arise, we investigate them immediately and take prompt and appropriate action,” he said."

Ummmm.........2nd sentence of the second paragraph in your link ????????

There was no hard evidence of even a TEXT of harrassment in his case. It was waaaaay flimsier than the AB verified text. And out he went.

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[dtbrks]

Hahahahahaha!

It’s the default in the US (except for perhaps Montana) that you can be fired without cause. That’s what “at-will” employment means.

Winner.
That’s life as an employee in the US and of course massachusetts. I’ve been laid off a few times and it doesn’t matter what I say or think. At will means I can leave without notice and they can let me go without notice. Funny thing is, It’s looked upon bad if I leave without notice but companies can let you go without it. That’s life. I have to deal with that like everyone else.

 

[shmessy]

Ok fine. In UK and in Europe you can't.

Well, Mr. Rothschild, the NFL hasn't expanded there yet.



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[rochrist]

Have you not followed the thread? There have been tons of videos posted of AB and the first accuser together after the alleged incident. She claimed in the civil suit that they had a "brother-sister relationship" and videos have surfaced of them in bed together in their underwear. Lots of evidence points to the claims being completely bogus. The police said there's no case to pursue.

The second accuser isn't even filing a civil suit. It's a years old story, dug out by a SI journalist after the media furor, and she was likely paid for participating in the story. The police said there's no case to pursue.

1400+ posts and I swear, 1000 of them are in this thread. You should just go see if you can get a date with the guy.

 

[Biffins]

Winner.
That’s life as an employee in the US and of course massachusetts. I’ve been laid off a few times and it doesn’t matter what I say or think. At will means I can leave without notice and they can let me go without notice. Funny thing is, It’s looked upon bad if I leave without notice but companies can let you go without it. That’s life. I have to deal with that like everyone else.

Understood. I'm in Europe and labour laws are much more protective here. My bad. Just looked this up. At-will does not apply in Europe.

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Employment Contract

In the United States labor laws, there is no requirement for an explicit contract of employment. Most employment is on an at-will basis, meaning that the employer or the employee can terminate the working relationship at any time, as long as the reasons are lawful. In Europe, the employment contract, derived from common law, is the basis of all employer-employee relations. Employment-at-will doctrine does not apply, notes High Street Partners, a leading international business service provider; the employer is required to follow due process in terminating an employee; if he fails to do so, he can be liable for wrongful termination.

Wrongful Termination

American federal laws and the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act do not require that employers notify their employees before termination. An employer can terminate the working relationship for any reason other than discrimination, retaliation, defamation, breach of explicit contract or fraud. According to the HG Global Legal Resources, just because an employee feels he has been treated unfairly, he may not be able to claim wrongful termination. Under European labor laws, an employee can claim wrongful dismissal or termination if the employer breaches the employment contract. For example, if the employer dismisses the employee without any notice or fails to follow disciplinary measures as stipulated in the contract before dismissal, the employee could claim wrongful termination.

 

[shmessy]

Understood. I'm in Europe and labour laws are much more protective here. My bad. Just looked this up. At-will does not apply in Europe.

*************

Employment Contract

In the United States labor laws, there is no requirement for an explicit contract of employment. Most employment is on an at-will basis, meaning that the employer or the employee can terminate the working relationship at any time, as long as the reasons are lawful. In Europe, the employment contract, derived from common law, is the basis of all employer-employee relations. Employment-at-will doctrine does not apply, notes High Street Partners, a leading international business service provider; the employer is required to follow due process in terminating an employee; if he fails to do so, he can be liable for wrongful termination.

Wrongful Termination

American federal laws and the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act do not require that employers notify their employees before termination. An employer can terminate the working relationship for any reason other than discrimination, retaliation, defamation, breach of explicit contract or fraud. According to the HG Global Legal Resources, just because an employee feels he has been treated unfairly, he may not be able to claim wrongful termination. Under European labor laws, an employee can claim wrongful dismissal or termination if the employer breaches the employment contract. For example, if the employer dismisses the employee without any notice or fails to follow disciplinary measures as stipulated in the contract before dismissal, the employee could claim wrongful termination.

So, the relevance of your 1,000 posts on this is...............?????????

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[Biffins]

Obviously you have never at any point in your career handled terminations

Not in US.