Antonio Brown

[shmessy]

Kraft is NOTHING without Brady or Belichick. When he bought the team, he had a capable guy in charge and ran him out of town. When he did things his own way, it was disaster for the next few years until Bill came along. The franchise IS Brady and Belichick, not Robert Kraft. Football is a unique business where you have owners, most of them who have never played a snap of football in their lives, running the team. Therefore, they should stay out of football operations unless it's a unique circumstance.

Yeah, instead of $6.9 billion he might have been worth $5.25 billion without them..........

(By the way, there is no other HC and player on earth that one could even fathom of saying are worth $1.65 billion, so the above statement is one helluva compliment to BB and Brady).

Some of us will still be here in 10 years and will have fond memories of you. Best regards to your new team. I hope they have cool uniforms.

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[Todd Bradley]

Try Googling "empathy".

Lmao this is a sports game that people pay to support for entertainment purposes. No one in this industry is changing the world or curing cancer.

Trying to pretend that Antonio Brown is some monster unwhich the NFL has never seen before is hypocrisy at its finest.

Get off your high horse. You’re not the moral police.

 

[GaryfromTO]

If reports are true, both Brady and BB opposed cutting Brown. How is that a non-story?

I don't know for certain, but Brady has always been a team first player. To me it's like all the noise prior to last season about how Brady was upset with Belichick over his personal trainer and all the other noise that seemed to surface everyday about unrest in the Patriots locker room.

Well we all know how that turned out don't we.

As I said, not certain, nobody is, but this just seems like more non-controversy...We are on to Buffalo.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Yes I do. Kraft has always made emotional type decisions for this franchise. He apologized for spygate instead of standing up for the franchise. Then allowed the NFL to railroad Brady. All of this because he cared more about how it made the franchise look.

Your last sentence is more accurate in that he cared more about his franchise and bending over to the NFL than some woman’s feelings.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yeah, instead of $6.9 billion he might have been worth $5.25 billion without them..........

(By the way, there is no other HC and player on earth that one could even fathom of saying are worth $1.65 billion, so the above statement is one helluva compliment to BB and Brady).

Some of us will still be here in 10 years and will have fond memories of you. Best regards to your new team. I hope they have cool uniforms.

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Without Brady and Belichick, this franchise would be the Detroit Lions or Buffalo Bills, both of which are worth about 1.9 Billion.

And FYI,. I was a fan of the team before Brady and Belichick. Not that it's any of your business.

 

[SBLIII]

Without Brady and Belichick, this franchise would be the Detroit Lions or Buffalo Bills, both of which are worth about 1.9 Billion.

And FYI,. I was a fan of the team before Brady and Belichick. Not that it's any of your business.

Those are poor comparisons.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Lmao this is a sports game that people pay to support for entertainment purposes. No one in this industry is changing the world or curing cancer.

Trying to pretend that Antonio Brown is some monster unwhich the NFL has never seen before is hypocrisy at its finest.

Get off your high horse. You’re not the moral police.

 

[luuked]

My argument is that to expect him to undo 30 years of bad habits in one week in a completely different culture, is IMO asking too much. I guaranteed you that he fired off those texts without using his brain and then regretted it once his brain caught up with his emotions.

AB grew up without anyone teaching him how to treat women properly. He didn't have a father who taught him, only a stepfather who beat him up. He internalized that system of discipline and it is the only way he knows how to relate to other people.

I am with you on that completely and I can empathise with the entire situation.

But at the same time I don't think that Kraft has a responsibility to keep all of those things in mind when he makes a business move. Ideally he should but looking around where we stand in 2019 when it comes to ethics when it comes to business and unfortunately many other places it just is yet another move that fits the bill. The flip side to this is how they took on Josh Gordon and stood with him through everything so far.

Like some posters I am salty at what could have been. The chemistry between AB and Brady in the one game they had together was off to a very good start.

It will never realize it's potential because of Orchid Bob's hypocrisy.

Again I am with you 100% on that. Kraft kinda robbed us and himself of what could have been a pretty transcendent season on both offense and defense. But it is what it is.

Who is to say that AB would not have suffered an ACL next week ? The road not taken and all of that..

 

[luuked]

Those are poor comparisons.

Because ?

 

[Doctor DDS]

Brady wants to win and when they cut AB they reduced their chances of winning the whole thing. Not saying it was the wrong thing to do but asking Brady to lead them yet again to the Super Bowl with a banged up OL, no TE and an average WR core is more concerning now than it was a week ago. If Edelman is healthy then they should be fine but if he is lost or Gordon goes down things could get dicey.

 

[patfanken]

Kraft is NOTHING without Brady or Belichick. When he bought the team, he had a capable guy in charge and ran him out of town. When he did things his own way, it was disaster for the next few years until Bill came along. The franchise IS Brady and Belichick, not Robert Kraft. Football is a unique business where you have owners, most of them who have never played a snap of football in their lives, running the team. Therefore, they should stay out of football operations unless it's a unique circumstance.

Your revisionist history is worthy of a job at Fox. Kraft was a Billionaire long before he bought the Pats, and was smart enough to turn this ONE part of his business empire from $187MM to well over $4BB. Over his tenure, you spoiled, entitled, millennial twat, Pats fans have had to "endure" 2 losing seasons over the last TWENTY-SIX years

It is outrageous to think that Robert Kraft hasn't been a HUGE part of the success this franchise has had since he bought it. You have badly parlayed innuendo and rumors into an attack on someone you aren't smart enough to have an opinion on.

BTW- He didn't "run" Parcell's out of town. Parcell's track record before he was with the Pats and after he left was to build teams and leave. The Glenn thing was just an excuse to shoot his way out of town for his next gig,. And Parcells' true character was shown during Superbowl week.

Parcell's best attribute was to recognize that he was a builder and NOT a maintainer. Maintaining success is FAR more difficult. Parcells was always smart enough to know that his coaching style had a short shelf life and the self awareness he didn't have the skills to deliver on long term success. This is why I will always believe that Parcells wasn't half the coach Bellichick has been.

Parcells was a great builder of bad teams, and should get credit for it. But he was MUCH better at picking assistant coaches than he was picking players. And the day he enters the Pat HOF will be the last day I follow this team. Just sayin'

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Uh no, before he owned the Patriots he was a multi-millionaire paper magnate who needed loans in and of itself to even buy the team, but it’s okay if math is too hard.

Gillete Stadium was being built with Kraft's own money before Tom Brady was drafted and Belichick was hired. We had gone to a Super Bowl and sold out every game for 6 seasons before that time.

Dude, it's not like he'd be on the street corner begging for change if not for those two.

 

[luuked]

As a half full type guy, I prefer to look at it as winning 8 of the next 13 games.

From everything you have posted in recent weeks you seem more like a person who doesn't even have a glass.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Your revisionist history is worthy of a job at Fox. Kraft was a Billionaire long before he bought the Pats, and was smart enough to turn this ONE part of his business empire from $187MM to well over $4BB. Over his tenure, you spoiled, entitled, millennial twat, Pats fans have had to "endure" 2 losing seasons over the last TWENTY-SIX years

It is outrageous to think that Robert Kraft hasn't been a HUGE part of the success this franchise has had since he bought it. You have badly parlayed innuendo and rumors into an attack on someone you aren't smart enough to have an opinion on.

Kraft was not a billionaire before he bought the pats. He was a multimillionaire (whose fortune he got from his wife's family) who had to borrow a lot of money just to keep the franchise here. And I'm not saying he isn't a good businessman. I'm saying he shouldn't be making personnel decisions. How has that worked for Jerry Jones? Huge part of the dynasty? Sure - maybe 10- 20% credit I'd give him. But I'm more loyal to the players and the coaching staff than I am the owner who threw his franchise QB under the bus when he needed him most. Then he goes to an Asian Spa and lies about it. Forgive me if I'm not a huge fan of his.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Gillete Stadium was being built with Kraft's own money before Tom Brady was drafted and Belichick was hired. We had gone to a Super Bowl and sold out every game for 6 seasons before that time.

Dude, it's not like he'd be on the street corner begging for change if not for those two.

You seem to have missed the entire point of the exchange.

The topic in question: Was Kraft a billionaire before he bought the Pats?
He said: Yes
The correct answer: No

The rest of what you mentioned is not even part of the discussion.

 

[TommyD4207]

As a half full type guy, I prefer to look at it as winning 8 of the next 13 games.

Losses I have are: @Texans @ Philly @Bills. Vs Chiefs & Browns.

11-5 record in the NFL is still pretty good. And I'm not eliminating the possibility of a 13-3 or 12-4 record. But I am basing this on the injuries to Devlin, Edelman, Harry, and Andrews.

lol

The last Patriots loss at home was October 1, 2017.

But they'll lose to the 1-2 Browns at home, because reasons.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I'm amused that the same people whining about Curran allegedly having "gone bad" or being "clickbait" or "sensationalistic" are taking him as gospel re: Kraft forcing it on BB. Can't have it both ways, people.

 

[shmessy]

Exactly. **** Antonio Brown and his inability to grow up. He knew what he had to do and he couldn't do it. Lost $29 million and then lost several million more two weeks later. What a winner.

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@PP2 is, evidently, AB's financial advisor.

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[shmessy]

Uh no, before he owned the Patriots he was a multi-millionaire paper magnate who needed loans in and of itself to even buy the team, but it’s okay if math is too hard.

Believe me, banks do not give loans of that magnitude to mere "multi-millionaires".

Also, look at the late 90's (pre-BB and Brady) when he was financing CMGI Field - - - the only stadium financing in the NFL that did not involve taxpayers money.

Please tell me what OTHER NFL OWNER had done that?

We'll wait for your answer, Todd.

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[patfanken]

Again I am with you 100% on that. Kraft kinda robbed us and himself of what could have been a pretty transcendent season on both offense and defense. But it is what it is. Who is to say that AB would not have suffered an ACL next week ? The road not taken and all of that..

A couple of points on this comment, Luuked.

1. Again, it could be because of my natural aversion to WR's, but adding even a great WR, is NEVER going to be the reason for a "transcendent" season of offense. And while I grant it would have been fun to see him out there, a combination of the baggage he brought with him and the baggage that arrived when he first came, and finally the self inflicted baggage of his ill advise email; made it an easy decision for Kraft to move on from him.

Bill might not have been happy to lose his new shiny toy, but I doubt he could rationally disagree with the decision that AB should go. Brady understandably would have been the hardest hit, and the most reluctant to see him go. Its had been over a decade since Brady had a talent like that at WR. Also given Brady's personality and character it was easy to see how he would latch on to AB like a child would a wounded bird. AB was clearly a charming guy one on one. But that charm hides a kind of crazy that is not only self destructive for him, but for those around him, and THAT's why Kraft made the only rational decision that could be made at the time. (also he might have heard something about the NFL putting AB on the exempt list after the Jets game. )

2. The whole story that Brady and Bellichick were "against" releasing AB comes from Tom Curran. Curran's DOES have his sources within the Pats organization, at least as good as one gets for that organization. I do believe that the depth of that disagreement has been vastly overblown, simply because it's a much better story if it is. Remember Curran's source, at best, heard things 2nd or 3rd hand. Office gossip isn't usually about the subtleties,