Antonio Brown

[shmessy]

He's worth 4 billion because of Tom and Bill. If the Pats didn't win a single super bowl over the past 20 years the franchise would be worth much less.

You don't cut someone for dumb texts. If Kraft had bothered to read the texts, he would see there was nothing threatening about them.

I think you may want to read a business book or 20.

By the way, in the interest of accuracy, I WAS wrong about Kraft being worth only $4+ billion.

It's $6.9 billion. The Pats are worth $3.7 billion and his other business are worth $3.2 billion.

Robert Kraft

By the way, Forbes rated him an 8 out of 10 in the "self-made" score. I get it, he's a target due to people's jealousy and some mom's basement dwelling fanatics worrying about him more than their own congressman. The truth is he's one of the greatest American success stories of the 20th and 21st centuries.



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[SHOWTIME15]

As a half full type guy, I prefer to look at it as winning 8 of the next 13 games.

Losses I have are: @Texans @ Philly @Bills. Vs Chiefs & Browns.

11-5 record in the NFL is still pretty good. And I'm not eliminating the possibility of a 13-3 or 12-4 record. But I am basing this on the injuries to Devlin, Edelman, Harry, and Andrews.

They are not losing to any of those teams except maybe Philly and KC.

 

[maust]

Football is a unique business where you have owners, most of them who have never played a snap of football in their lives, running the team. Therefore, they should stay out of football operations unless it's a unique circumstance.

And the other Pro sports are all flush with owners that have great experience playing their respective game at a pro level? I'd say everything about AB qualifies as falling under the somewhat 'unique' umbrella.

 

[SBLIII]

As a half full type guy, I prefer to look at it as winning 8 of the next 13 games.

Losses I have are: @Texans @ Philly @Bills. Vs Chiefs & Browns.

11-5 record in the NFL is still pretty good. And I'm not eliminating the possibility of a 13-3 or 12-4 record. But I am basing this on the injuries to Devlin, Edelman, Harry, and Andrews.

If you bet on that you can make a lot of money.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I think ultimately we'll be fine without Brown, but an injury to Edelman or if Gordon has a relapse it will be trouble. I would have kept Brown as insurance. Kraft, being a soft hearted guy, probably felt really sorry for the woman who got the texts. Typical of someone who thinks with their heart and not their brain.

You think Kraft felt sorry for the woman?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

it was an agenda against NE

As soon as he went to NE, the vultures came out.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You think Kraft felt sorry for the woman?

Yes I do. Kraft has always made emotional type decisions for this franchise. He apologized for spygate instead of standing up for the franchise. Then allowed the NFL to railroad Brady. All of this because he cared more about how it made the franchise look.

 

[shmessy]

You think Kraft felt sorry for the woman?

Yes.

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[Ras-IR Dowling]

With regards to BB and Brady wanting AB to stay, is BB saying these things during his press conferences and I’m just not hearing them?

 

[shmessy]

They are not losing to any of those teams except maybe Philly and KC.

With the injuries on that OL, they could very well lose to the Bills this week. I would still take the Pats, but I'd say the Bills have a 30% chance.

 

[maust]

Losses I have are: @Texans @ Philly @Bills. Vs Chiefs & Browns.

11-5 record in the NFL is still pretty good. And I'm not eliminating the possibility of a 13-3 or 12-4 record. But I am basing this on the injuries to Devlin, Edelman, Harry, and Andrews.

It's not outside the realm of possibility the Bills could pull a highly unlikely upset. I suppose stranger things have happened but it seems far fetched the Pats will lose to the Baker Mayfield clown posse at Gillette. The Texans, Philly and Chiefs games all fall after Week 11 when Harry should be back. What info are you hiding about the long term prognosis of Edelman's injury that apparently has him at death's door?

 

[shmessy]

Yes I do. Kraft has always made emotional type decisions for this franchise. He apologized for spygate instead of standing up for the franchise. Then allowed the NFL to railroad Brady. All of this because he cared more about how it made the franchise look.

I get it - - a lot of the folks weren't here in January 1994 or earlier.

Understand: He also bought the team in the manner you describe.

He most definitely cared about how it made the franchise look.

.........They would've looked awful in St. Louis.

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[SHOWTIME15]

With the injuries on that OL, they could very well lose to the Bills this week. I would still take the Pats, but I'd say the Bills have a 30% chance.

I think it will be low scoring for sure, but I think our D is up to the challenge of Josh Allen. If they had a better or more experienced QB, then I'd be bit more worried with all the injuries.

 

[SBLIII]

 

[shmessy]

I think it will be low scoring for sure, but I think our D is up to the challenge of Josh Allen. If they had a better or more experienced QB, then I'd be bit more worried with all the injuries.

Patriots 13
Bills 3

(It's their Super Bowl)

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[patfanken]

Give them a break, A lot of the kids on this board haven't gotten their first job yet.

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I guess those are the ones who didn't participate in the "how old are you" thread.

 

[maust]

With regards to BB and Brady wanting AB to stay, is BB saying these things during his press conferences and I’m just not hearing them?

That's why we have Curran to read between the lines sorting the wheat from the chaff of all Belichick's and Brady's verbosity

 

[PP2]

I think that is a fair question and to me personally it isn't a fair policy. But then again I am not the owner of a very valuable sports team and have to make decisions based on public perception with respect to sponsors and whatnot.

At the same time -- as I have said before -- AB only to blame himself for the situation. I am sure Rosenhaus made it clear to him that he was on thin ice with the Pats and he couldn't even make it until his first big signing bonus check cleared. He had five million reasons to at least hang low for the first 2-3 weeks and he wasn't able to manage that.

Could Kraft have been more lenient ? Sure. Is it hypocritical of him after the entire hand job fiasco to NOW be concerned about the public image of the team ? You bet.

The one thing that irritates me a bit and I keep reading is "what if the civil suit disappears". But his release has not been about that at all. He was in the cluster**** already BEFORE he signed with the Pats so that didn't affect his clean slate at all. Thus the outcome of the entire fiasco is also completely irrelevant.

This boils down to him sending those completely unnecessary text messages to the other woman when the spotlight was bright on him. I am sure **** like that goes on much more in the league but the other athletes at least seem to be "clever" enough to lay low once their agent tells them and let the lawyers deal with it all.

Yes, that's true that AB couldn't even manage to lay low until his first check cleared, and yes that is on him.

My argument is that to expect him to undo 30 years of bad habits in one week in a completely different culture, is IMO asking too much. I guaranteed you that he fired off those texts without using his brain and then regretted it once his brain caught up with his emotions.

AB grew up without anyone teaching him how to treat women properly. He didn't have a father who taught him, only a stepfather who beat him up. He internalized that system of discipline and it is the only way he knows how to relate to other people.

Like some posters I am salty at what could have been. The chemistry between AB and Brady in the one game they had together was off to a very good start.

It will never realize it's potential because of Orchid Bob's hypocrisy.

 

[Todd Bradley]

uhhhhh......kraft was already a billionaire

Uh no, before he owned the Patriots he was a multi-millionaire paper magnate who needed loans in and of itself to even buy the team, but it’s okay if math is too hard.

 

[PatsDeb]

The media strikes again. I am sure that Brady is bummed, after getting all excited like the rest of us, to be deprived of a world class-receiving talent on the field. I also think the Pats did the only thing they could in cutting AB once it was revealed that he is an even worse world-class asshat than we all knew him to be off the field, AND he can't follow BB's program.

The idea that the Pats look bad in all this is ludicrous (an actual topic I've heard discussed last week and this week before I stopped listening to sports radio).
The idea that Brady will now leave the Pats at the end of this year over the AB saga is ludicrous (another actual topic I've heard discussed before I stopped listening to sports radio).

In my mind, and I think in the minds of any rational fans, players or the NFL, the only one who looks bad, and continues to look bad as he repeatedly bites the hand that tried to feed him, is good ole AB himself (and his agent Drew Rosenhaus, whom the Pats should think twice about doing deals with again). I wish he WOULD sign with another team, so everyone would move their focus over there and let the Pats return to winning football games, and maybe the Pats could get their money back without a fight.