Final 53 man roster thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think either D. Thomas or Meyers makes the team, and the other doesn’t. I know this opinion isn’t popular, but both have big question marks, and considering that neither is an athletic freak or deep threat, they would be filling a similar spot.

On Thomas, his contract gives them an out with almost no loss, and he’ll cost a decent amount on a per game roster basis if they do keep him. Nothing we know if indicates any change of thinking for the Patriots when they did the contract (release him if he is physically done, which may be the case for a guy who was already declining before an Achilles injury.)

On Meyers, that was very concerning that he and Brady were so out of sync. We’ve seen Tom just freeze guys out after that happens, and there are a lot of WR options.

I predict Thomas is cut, but I know I’m in the minority. I don’t think his upside justifies keeping him when Meyers is younger, quicker, cheaper, and on a multi-year deal. This isn’t 2014 D. Thomas, and these aren’t the same WR-poor Patriots as when they signed him in February. Since then, along with Meyers, they’ve seen Dorsett improve with Brady, Gordon optimistically (but cautiously) return, and Harry drafted in the first round.

 

[BobDigital]

I think that 13 for the defensive front 6 is a player or two light. I would add back a 315+ DT (Parry for now) and re-consider Roberts. I think that most would choose to keep Wise.

13 isn't lite as long as all of them are true front 6 players. A lot of teams only carry 14-15 front defensive players in name only. The other 1-2 guys are pure STers with the 13 and usually 12th front guy as a healthy game day scratch more often than not.

Roberts and Wise are fine as 4-3 players but they have not transitioned well into our new D. Wise in particular has been bad. Not to say I think Wise as a player is bad, he just doesn't fit the scheme. As for Roberts I feel the same way. Munson fits this team better right now. Parry is a guy they may consider carrying but I didn't have him making it. He is a bubble player for sure.

Of course maybe BB and co see it differently. Maybe we will go back to a 4-3 at times this year for certain opponents.

 

[BobDigital]

I think either D. Thomas or Meyers makes the team, and the other doesn’t. I know this opinion isn’t popular, but both have big question marks, and considering that neither is an athletic freak or deep threat, they would be filling a similar spot.

On Thomas, his contract gives them an out with almost no loss, and he’ll cost a decent amount on a per game roster basis if they do keep him. Nothing we know if indicates any change of thinking for the Patriots when they did the contract (release him if he is physically done, which may be the case for a guy who was already declining before an Achilles injury.)

On Meyers, that was very concerning that he and Brady were so out of sync. We’ve seen Tom just freeze guys out after that happens, and there are a lot of WR options.

I predict Thomas is cut, but I know I’m in the minority. I don’t think his upside justifies keeping him when Meyers is younger, quicker, cheaper, and on a multi-year deal. This isn’t 2014 D. Thomas, and these aren’t the same WR-poor Patriots as when they signed him in February. Since then, along with Meyers, they’ve seen Dorsett improve with Brady, Gordon optimistically (but cautiously) return, and Harry drafted in the first round.

You do have a point. While we all like Meyers but his upside is limited and that is something we need to keep in mind. At best he is a bad #2 or great #3. He probably maxes out at about 700 yards a year.

While he does a lot of the little things well and beats up on bad competition due to that he lacks certain physical tools that are needed to make the next jump most likely. The attractive thing about him is he does a lot of the things Brady likes in a WR (even if they haven't connected on them yet) and he is on a multi year cheap deal.

While Thomas cost more I like how incentive based his contract is. Even if he is never the player he was it is hard to deny at times he looked pretty good in Houston last season. He will likely be a better option this year than Meyers due to his experience alone. That matters. Every year is so important right now that you may not want to look foward too many years.

Personally if push came to shove I would keep Thomas over Meyers and sell out a little bit extra for this year.

 

[jah]

Here's my 53 after the heartbreaking Andrews news + the Cunningham trade + EDITED for Eluemunor:

QB (3): 12 Brady, 2 Hoyer, 4 Stidham
RB (6): 26 Michel, 28 White, 34 Burkhead, 37 Harris, 38 Bolden, 46 Develin
WR (6): 11 Edelman, 10 Gordon, 88 Thomas, 13 Dorsett, 8 Harry, 16 Meyers
TE (2): 83 LaCosse, 85 Izzo
OL (8): 76 Wynn, 62 Thuney, 75 Karras, 69 Mason, 61 Cannon, __ Eluemunor, __ Cunningham, 64 Froholdt
DL (6): 77 Bennett, 93 Guy, 71 Shelton, 91 Wise, 99 Cowart, 70 Butler
EDGE (3): 55 Simon, 90 Calhoun, 50 Winovich
LB (5): 54 Hightower, 8 Collins, 53 Van Noy, 51 Bentley, 52 Roberts
CB (5): 24 Gilmore, 30 McCourty, 31 Jones, 27 Jackson, 33 Williams
S (4): 32 McCourty, 23 Chung, 21 Harmon, 25 Brooks
ST (5): 3 Gostkowski, 7 Bailey, 49 Cardona, 18 Slater, 43 Ebner

• At this point, there's actually more guys I want to find a way to cut than to keep, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think it's a very solid, deep roster overall and there are some spots which could potentially be more productive due to the existing depth:
  • Starting with Burkhead, because I'm going in positional order (Hoyer is on the team because Stidham can't read defenses yet). We really don't need to keep this many running backs, and the rumblings are that he's started to decline. I don't think he has trade value anymore.
  • Meyers picked a bad time to cast doubt upon his ability to play well with Brady. We almost never keep 6 WR, unless you count Slater, which you shouldn't. I don't see anyone else being cuttable at the position unless Gordon/Thomas has a setback. Due to the chance of said setback(s), you have to keep Dorsett.
  • How the **** did James Ferentz end up on my 53 man roster? I picked these players, right? It was my own choice? - EDIT: Psych, Eluemunor is on my 53 instead. That was quick.
  • Wise sure seems like a square peg right now, and you have to think there's some trade value, especially to a team like Detroit.
  • Butler seems to be playing himself off the team just as much as Cowart is playing himself onto it, but the general lack of DL depth saves them both for now. I want to see us find a better football player than Butler for our roster, but I also want Cowart to stay.
  • Everybody's been talking about trading Roberts all offseason. I could go either way on that.
  • There used to be some talk of moving Harmon. No way.
• The positions I'd like/expect to see additions at to replace the players discussed above:
  • Tight end, of course. We keep throwing things at the wall and nothing has come remotely close to sticking. Kendricks? Give me a break. LaCosse seems fine but he might be both one dimensional and injury prone. Izzo might keep improving.
  • I would definitely like to see an addition at DL (as in, big fat guy who plays DT regardless of front) and/or edge player. We have a few of every type of guy but not a ton of depth anywhere along the line. Maybe we don't need it though.
  • I want to see an actual safety of the future on this roster, not Obi. Probably too big an ask for an in-season pickup.
  • Does the team try to find another core special teamer to replace King, or roll with who we have? Don't forget how big the McClellan and Humber pickups were last year. Probably no ring without them.

 

[Deus Irae]

Reiss is going to need a re-write

 

[mgteich]

There is something wrong. I have zero disagreements. Obviously, Belichick will have lots more transactions before Game 2.

1) As you said, we do need a another biggie, who could be Parry, or a new acquisition.

2) I don't know whether we need another OL who will be a backup center. I suspect that one will be on the roster for Game One.

3) Special teams is a concern. Many want Munson. Calhoun is a fine special teamer. Also, I expect that Winovich will be very good on teams.

Here's my 53 after the heartbreaking Andrews news + the Cunningham trade + EDITED for Eluemunor:

QB (3): 12 Brady, 2 Hoyer, 4 Stidham
RB (6): 26 Michel, 28 White, 34 Burkhead, 37 Harris, 38 Bolden, 46 Develin
WR (6): 11 Edelman, 10 Gordon, 88 Thomas, 13 Dorsett, 8 Harry, 16 Meyers
TE (2): 83 LaCosse, 85 Izzo
OL (8): 76 Wynn, 62 Thuney, 75 Karras, 69 Mason, 61 Cannon, __ Eluemunor, __ Cunningham, 64 Froholdt
DL (6): 77 Bennett, 93 Guy, 71 Shelton, 91 Wise, 99 Cowart, 70 Butler
EDGE (3): 55 Simon, 90 Calhoun, 50 Winovich
LB (5): 54 Hightower, 8 Collins, 53 Van Noy, 51 Bentley, 52 Roberts
CB (5): 24 Gilmore, 30 McCourty, 31 Jones, 27 Jackson, 33 Williams
S (4): 32 McCourty, 23 Chung, 21 Harmon, 25 Brooks
ST (5): 3 Gostkowski, 7 Bailey, 49 Cardona, 18 Slater, 43 Ebner

• At this point, there's actually more guys I want to find a way to cut than to keep, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think it's a very solid, deep roster overall and there are some spots which could potentially be more productive due to the existing depth:
  • Starting with Burkhead, because I'm going in positional order (Hoyer is on the team because Stidham can't read defenses yet). We really don't need to keep this many running backs, and the rumblings are that he's started to decline. I don't think he has trade value anymore.
  • Meyers picked a bad time to cast doubt upon his ability to play well with Brady. We almost never keep 6 WR, unless you count Slater, which you shouldn't. I don't see anyone else being cuttable at the position unless Gordon/Thomas has a setback. Due to the chance of said setback(s), you have to keep Dorsett.
  • How the **** did James Ferentz end up on my 53 man roster? I picked these players, right? It was my own choice? - EDIT: Psych, Eluemunor is on my 53 instead. That was quick.
  • Wise sure seems like a square peg right now, and you have to think there's some trade value, especially to a team like Detroit.
  • Butler seems to be playing himself off the team just as much as Cowart is playing himself onto it, but the general lack of DL depth saves them both for now. I want to see us find a better football player than Butler for our roster, but I also want Cowart to stay.
  • Everybody's been talking about trading Roberts all offseason. I could go either way on that.
  • There used to be some talk of moving Harmon. No way.
• The positions I'd like/expect to see additions at to replace the players discussed above:
  • Tight end, of course. We keep throwing things at the wall and nothing has come remotely close to sticking. Kendricks? Give me a break. LaCosse seems fine but he might be both one dimensional and injury prone. Izzo might keep improving.
  • I would definitely like to see an addition at DL (as in, big fat guy who plays DT regardless of front) and/or edge player. We have a few of every type of guy but not a ton of depth anywhere along the line. Maybe we don't need it though.
  • I want to see an actual safety of the future on this roster, not Obi. Probably too big an ask for an in-season pickup.
  • Does the team try to find another core special teamer to replace King, or roll with who we have? Don't forget how big the McClellan and Humber pickups were last year. Probably no ring without them.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Brady6]

There is something wrong. I have zero disagreements. Obviously, Belichick will have lots more transactions before Game 2.

1) As you said, we do need a another biggie, who could be Parry, or a new acquisition.

2) I don't know whether we need another OL who will be a backup center. I suspect that one will be on the roster for Game One.

3) Special teams is a concern. Many want Munson. Calhoun is a fine special teamer. Also, I expect that Winovich will be very good on teams.

Why do they need another big DL? They have Shelton and Guy who are both experienced playing 0-1-2-3 technique, Cowart and Butler can play 3-4-5 technique. They are going to play the majority of their snaps in a 2-4-5 formation. How many DL do you need when you are using 3 max and in most cases 2.

 

[Todd Bradley]

QB (3) T.Brady, J.Stidham, B.Hoyer
RB (6) S.Michel, J.White, J.Develin, D.Harris, B.Bolden, R.Burkhead
WR (7) J.Edelman, N.Harry, D.Thomas, P.Dorsett, J.Meyers, M.Slater, J.Gordon
TE (2) M.LaCosse, R.Izzo
C (1) J.Ferentz
G (5) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt, J.Eluemenor, T.Karras
T (3) M.Cannon, K.Cunningham, I.Wynn
DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon, D.Rivers/S.Calhoun
DT (3) L.Guy, A.Butler, D.Shelton, B.Cowart
ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(3) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins
CB (6) J.Jackson, S.Gilmore, J.Williams, J.Jones, J.McCourty
SS (2) N.Ebner, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Suspended: B.Watson, L.Kendricks
IRed: D.Andrews, Y.Cajuste, C.Meredith, D.Rivers/S.Calhoun

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You do have a point. While we all like Meyers but his upside is limited and that is something we need to keep in mind. At best he is a bad #2 or great #3. He probably maxes out at about 700 yards a year.

While he does a lot of the little things well and beats up on bad competition due to that he lacks certain physical tools that are needed to make the next jump most likely

First, 700 yards in this type of offense would be outstanding.

Second, I don’t where this analysis is coming from that at best he’s a bad 2 or great 3. The Pats don’t really use that type of structure, but I get what you’re trying to say. I just don’t see it. The guy has great hands, breaks well, bursts off the line, and is clearly faster on-field than his “40 time” would predict. We’ve seen the Pats make a lot of these types of guys into great players while they don’t fit the mold of an ideal NFL receiver.

 

[ralmat55]

Or, they can’t put him on IR until Saturday without him having to clear waivers. There’s no hurry here as they already have available spots on the 90 man roster. They have until Saturday to assess Andrews’ condition. I hope he can make it back later in the season, but him not being already on IR is not an indicator of anything.

 

[Mack Herron]

Or, they can’t put him on IR until Saturday without him having to clear waivers. There’s no hurry here as they already have available spots on the 90 man roster. They have until Saturday to assess Andrews’ condition. I hope he can make it back later in the season, but him not being already on IR is not an indicator of anything.

I tend to agree. No benefit in placing him before Saturday.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Title should be "53 as of today" ... revolving door.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[jah]

The thought has certainly crossed my mind. We'll see if they actually do it.

 

[ALP]

i think w/ uncertainty at depth in OL and center starter we def go w/ 8 OL to start

 

[captain stone]

Seeing that this is the current roster predictor thread du jour, I'll leave this one here:

QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
- Don't think that Bill is ready to trust Stidham as Brady's only backup.

RB (5) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, S.Michel, D.Harris
- With roster space so tight, and with Damien Harris returning to practice, I finally have taken Burkhead off the 53, either via trade or outright release.

WR (5) J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, J.Gordon, N.Harry, J.Meyers
- Donkey Thomas released, possibly to be re-signed after Week 1.

TE (1) R.Izzo
- Worst position group in football...maybe somebody decent appears on the waiver wire.

C (3) T.Karras, H.Froholdt, D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, J.Eluemenor
T (3) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, K.Cunningham
- Andrews is kept on the original 53 then IRed if the doctors feel that there's a possibility he can return after Thanksgiving.

DE (6) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich, D.Rivers, S.Calhoun
- Rivers is my other candidate to be 53/IRed.

DT (4) L.Guy, D.Shelton, A.Butler, B.Cowart
- I'd still like to see another fatty (Zach Kerr?) added here.

ILB (1) J.Bentley
OLB (3) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins
- Roberts traded, but Munson, Sam, Hall & Scooby still miss the cut.

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Jackson, J.Williams, K.Crossen
- I would still stubbornly keep Dawson ahead of Crossen, but I know that's not happening.

SS (2) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
- You'll have a helluva story to tell your grand-kids, Mr Ebner, but the ride ends here. Time to add some youth to the Safety room, even if ObiWon's not the answer at SS..

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, Slater

Total players: 52
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[gitgronked82]

Am I missing something as to why people don’t have Elandon on their list, or r u assuming a trade?

 

[captain stone]

Am I missing something as to why people don’t have Elandon on their list, or r u assuming a trade?

I and others are projecting a Roberts-to-Loins trade as Detroit's attempt to replace Jarrad Davis' snaps at ILB.