Final 53 man roster thread

[Betterthanmost]

No, you can put Your house on it.

But I don't have one yet.

 

[reflexblue]

But I don't have one yet.

Then its easy for you to say. Now i can say ill bet my ferrari on it

 

[TheRainMaker]

Boston Herald projects Wise getting cut due to scheme fit. While he’s nothing special, I’d still be shocked if this happens.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think this has some benefit in terms of us speculating, so I'll put it here.

Not including specialists, 10 Patriots players who played in last year's preseason finale were on the Week 1 roster: Ted Karras Brian Schwenke (cut then re-signed) Geneo Grissom Adam Butler Derek Rivers Keionta Davis Nic Grigsby J.C. Jackson Jason McCourty Keion Crossen

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Also, I wouldn't be shocked if Gordon and/or Thomas got a bit of playing time tonight, and I wouldn't read anything into such a happening, given their late activiation.

 

[mgteich]

Froholdt is a lock.

I suspect that Bolden is also. After all, $2M is guaranteed and he has a couple of roles.

Locks a/k/a "locks" on offense

QB - Brady, Stidham
RB - Michel, Harris, White, Develin
TE -
OL - Wynn, Thuney, Mason, Cannon, Karras, Cunningham, Eleumenor
WR - Edelman, Gordon, Thomas, Dorsett, Harris, Meyers

And some of those "locks" seem more lock-ish. So I think that there are a fair number of offensive positions still, at least theoretically, in play.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Boston Herald projects Wise getting cut due to scheme fit. While he’s nothing special, I’d still be shocked if this happens.

He has more value than that.

What scheme fit?

Did BB announce they are going to a 3-4?

 

[TheRainMaker]

He has more value than that.

We’ll see.

 

[AlexB]

Locks a/k/a "locks" on offense

QB - Brady, Stidham
RB - Michel, Harris, White, Develin
TE -
OL - Wynn, Thuney, Mason, Cannon, Karras, Cunningham, Eleumenor
WR - Edelman, Gordon, Thomas, Dorsett, Harris, Meyers

And some of those "locks" seem more lock-ish. So I think that there are a fair number of offensive positions still, at least theoretically, in play.

By WR Harris, I'm assuming you mean Harry, as Maurice Harris was already released.

 

[Deus Irae]

Froholdt is a lock.

I suspect that Bolden is also. After all, $2M is guaranteed and he has a couple of roles.

I have Bolden as an ST guy who happens to carry the ball mostly under unusual circumstances.
I have Froholdt as a likely developmental keeper who, because of the center depth situation, could be in danger if the Patriots don't like what they see tonight.

 

[Deus Irae]

By WR Harris, I'm assuming you mean Harry, as Maurice Harris was already released.

Yes, thank you. I've fixed that now.

 

[mgteich]

OK, you believe that Froholdt is SO BAD.

How bad is he?

Even with a serious need at his position, he will be the first rookie 4th rounder cut before the final cut, EVER.
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I think that Myers will make the 53, but I think that he is much more likely to be cut than Froholdt.

I have Bolden as an ST guy who happens to carry the ball mostly under unusual circumstances.
I have Froholdt as a likely developmental keeper who, because of the center depth situation, could be in danger if the Patriots don't like what they see tonight.

 

[Deus Irae]

OK, you believe that Froholdt is SO BAD.

How bad is he?

Even with a serious need at his position, he will be the first rookie 4th rounder cut before the final cut, EVER.
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I think that Myers will make the 53, but I think that he is much more likely to be cut than Froholdt.

I believe that Froholdt has shown nothing to indicate that he's ready to even be a backup in the NFL, but has enough potential that the Patriots would probably not want to risk him getting through to the P.S.. And that's why I view him as likely, but not a lock because of the center problem.

And there's a first time for everything. And a year where depth is generally plentiful, but needs in non-depth areas are critical, is just the kind of year where we could see one.

As for your cut comparison, you're saying that a player at a deeper position is in greater jeopardy of being cut than a player in a position that is absent the depth. That would generally be the case. But, here, we have a need for security at center that may, or may not, alter that.

 

[moosekill]

Locks a/k/a "locks" on offense

QB - Brady, Stidham
RB - Michel, Harris, White, Develin
TE -
OL - Wynn, Thuney, Mason, Cannon, Karras, Cunningham, Eleumenor
WR - Edelman, Gordon, Thomas, Dorsett, Harry, Meyers

And some of those "locks" seem more lock-ish. So I think that there are a fair number of offensive positions still, at least theoretically, in play.

I would probably add Slater, otherwise I agree.

 

[mgteich]

I'm fine with having 9 or 10 OL's, including a backup center.

I don't think that this position is relevant to wanting to keep Froholdt as a developmental OG.

What you are saying is the Scar made a huge mistake, using/recommending a 4th on a player who is not even capable of being a developmental OG, when we have 2 OG's in their contract years (Karras and Thuney). I think that is too early to give up on a developmental offensive lineman, given that we have a fine staff that it so good at developing OL's.

I believe that Froholdt has shown nothing to indicate that he's ready to even be a backup in the NFL, but has enough potential that the Patriots would probably not want to risk him getting through to the P.S.. And that's why I view him as likely, but not a lock because of the center problem.

And there's a first time for everything. And a year where depth is generally plentiful, but needs in non-depth areas are critical, is just the kind of year where we could see one.

As for your cut comparison, you're saying that a player at a deeper position is in greater jeopardy of being cut than a player in a position that is absent the depth. That would generally be the case. But, here, we have a need for security at center that may, or may not, alter that.

 

[mgteich]

fair enough

We've guaranteed Bolden $2M for this year. He's active in every game as one of our core special teamers. And yes, he is an emergency RB, who happens to carry the ball rarely. Besides, we've lost McClellan, Humber and Grigsby. I don't want to lose Bolden also.

I have Bolden as an ST guy who happens to carry the ball mostly under unusual circumstances.

 

[Zuma]

QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham

RB (5) S.Michel, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden, J.Develin

WR (7) J.Edelman, J.Gordon, D.Thomas, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, J.Meyers, M.Slater

TE (2) R.Izzo, M.LaCosse

C (2) T.Karras, H.Froholdt
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, J.Eluemenor
T (3) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, K.Cunningham

DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon, S.Calhoun
DT (4) L.Guy, D.Shelton, D.Cowart, D.Parry

ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, C.Munson

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.Williams, K.Crossen
SS (2) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu
FS (3) D.McCourty, T.Brooks, D.Harmon

ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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[Deus Irae]

I'm fine with having 9 or 10 OL's, including a backup center.

I don't think that this position is relevant to wanting to keep Froholdt as a developmental OG.

What you are saying is the Scar made a huge mistake, using/recommending a 4th on a player who is not even capable of being a developmental OG, when we have 2 OG's in their contract years (Karras and Thuney). I think that is too early to give up on a developmental offensive lineman, given that we have a fine staff that it so good at developing OL's.

Is your complete misreading of my posts intentional, or just a product of you having an off day?

 

[patfanken]

You have 54 players.

The fix is easy. You have too many DB's: 12 including Crossen. Actually, you have 13 when Ebner is back on Sunday.

So, my prediction is that we will have fewer than 13 defensive backs come Sunday evening. I suspect that two will be gone before Game 2.

I took it for granted that you were right, given that I posted that pretty late at night and math was never an asset for me. . So I used a calculator to add up where I made a mistake. I found I did make a mistake because the roster I posted had fifty TWO players. So where do you get 54?

BTW- I'm OK with having 13 DB's because it's speed you need in ST's especially in the coverage units, so guys like Ebner, Crossen, Dawson and Obi are playing every ST's snaps for me.

BTW-2 Bedard did an EXCELLENT job of breaking down film of Cunningham and Eluemeador. Here are his basic conclusions. Nothing to like about Cunningham outside of his strength and size, but nothing particularly NOT to like. At best he's a back up RT.

On the other hand he liked Eluemeanor who has position flexibility (both G's, both T's) Thought he had starting G and RT potential. The only issue has been his attitude. I Dante can reach him and make him a "finisher", then it will be a steal. If he can't, then it looks like he can be an adequate back up at 3 positions

This kind of confirms my thought that both these guy won't be on the final 53 and that the Pats might be able to do better than Cunningham after cut down day, OR he'd be replaced by someone who is better prepared to be a back up C than Frodholdt. We shall see.

 

[mgteich]

1) I expect more OL transactions in the next 10 days. Also, we could have Croton or Ferentz active for Game 1, even if they are the 8th active OL.

2) math is an asset for me. But, it wasn't me who found the issue. Another post found that you have the number "4" for ST and for LB. However, you have 5 names for each group. These are two additional players.

I took it for granted that you were right, given that I posted that pretty late at night and math was never an asset for me. . So I used a calculator to add up where I made a mistake. I found I did make a mistake because the roster I posted had fifty TWO players. So where do you get 54?

BTW- I'm OK with having 13 DB's because it's speed you need in ST's especially in the coverage units, so guys like Ebner, Crossen, Dawson and Obi are playing every ST's snaps for me.

BTW-2 Bedard did an EXCELLENT job of breaking down film of Cunningham and Eluemeador. Here are his basic conclusions. Nothing to like about Cunningham outside of his strength and size, but nothing particularly NOT to like. At best he's a back up RT.

On the other hand he liked Eluemeanor who has position flexibility (both G's, both T's) Thought he had starting G and RT potential. The only issue has been his attitude. I Dante can reach him and make him a "finisher", then it will be a steal. If he can't, then it looks like he can be an adequate back up at 3 positions

This kind of confirms my thought that both these guy won't be on the final 53 and that the Pats might be able to do better than Cunningham after cut down day, OR he'd be replaced by someone who is better prepared to be a back up C than Frodholdt. We shall see.

 

[patfanken]

Just thought of a trade that could solve a lot of our roster issues and in certain degrees makes sense, although I doubt it would happen.

We trade Burkhead, Roberts, and Eluemeandor AND a 3rd and 6th round picks to Washington for Trent Williams. Then we move Wynn to LG Thuney to C, and have a starting OL that would consist of Williams - Wynn - Thuney - Mason - Cannon.

Maybe it wouldn't start out that way because Williams would have to learn the system and Wynn and Thuney would have to have time to get adjusted to the moves, but if by the middle of October they had it all figured out, that would be an AWESOME OL

For Washington they would essentially get 5 players, three of which are NFL, for a single asset that is of no use to them.

For the Pats they get a probowl caliber LT who will give Wynn another full year to recover and get in playing shape while playing a position many thought was ideal for him. Putting Thuney at C would likely up grade the position once he got his feet wet. They also create some roster space to keep some younger players that might have been lost. They also improve the depth of the OL with Cunningham/Crosten, Frodholdt and Karras now being the primary OL back ups

Another thought, if you didn't want to to disrupt 2 positions this late ni the process, would make Wynn the swing OT and keep Karras and Thuney in their current positions. Now your best back ups would be Wynn, who is showing he's a starting caliber OT, Frodholdt who is a developmental guy they like and Cunningham or someone who is better than he is.