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Look, it's pretty obvious you have strong feelings about the Brady contract issue. I understand, we all do. But, I also think your question reeks of someone looking for a fight. I'll respond to your question with a (rhetorical) question: do you see any mention of BB and/or Kraft in my post? Do us both a favor: if you want to get combative with someone, do it with someone who's directly challenged you. I haven't, so f### off.

You seem pretty worked up at an innocent question. And you still didn't answer the question. You said some people at Pats fans first and some Brady fans first. The implication being that if you want Brady to be here at all cost, you're a Brady fan first.

I asked the question, and I ask again, is it possible to be a Pats fan first and disagree with how the team is handling Brady's contract?

Your implication is the answer is no. You must toe the company line and agree with ownership if you are a Pats fans first. I am sorry but this is a view I fundamentally disagree with.

Oh and you didn't need to curse. It doesn't given your position any merit.
 
I think all the opinions and hawt takes in this thread are now irrelevant after today's preseason game. BB now knows he can take the team to a SB this year w/o Brady. Brady will be traded by the end of September.

It is what it is, lmao.
 
I understand this is a hypothetical you posed. That said the Reiss article (who is one of the most plugged in guys around) was pretty clear that both sides have a general sense of trust and expectations with each other. The Patriots are trusting Brady when he says he wants to be here, doesn't want top dollar because he wants to build a team around him, but just wants to be reasonably compensated. Brady is trusting the Patriots when they say they want him here, they just can't afford to take the risk of a long-term deal on a 42 year old QB, but that if he does play well at age 42 they will reasonably compensate him for 2020. And as a sign of that faith, the Patriots agreed to let Brady have equal say in the decision going forward by eliminating any leverage the Patriots could have (franchise tag).

Your hypothetical? We'll see if it happens, but whether a $2M raise from 2019 is considered "reasonable" or not is up for discussion, but leaving for by-far the largest single year contract in NFL history definitely doesn't sound like what the actions of someone who doesn't care about top dollar, just wants to be reasonably compensated so he can have a good team around him. I'm not saying Brady doesn't deserve that money. Just saying it's not consistent with the views stated.

Finally, as noted, Drew Brees has been in a similar situation for the last few years with the Saints and they always seem to work it out before he hits the market. Given the past history and what we've heard from a few plugged in sources, why would we expect anything different in Brady's case? Yes, it *could* happen. That's the risk the Pats are taking (and Brady too, for believing the Pats would pay him reasonably). The Jets *could* win the Super Bowl this year too. But why would we expect it to happen, and get all worked up about it at this point?

I really hope your faith gets rewarded and it all works out.
 
I think all the opinions and hawt takes in this thread are now irrelevant after today's preseason game. BB now knows he can take the team to a SB this year w/o Brady. Brady will be traded by the end of September.

It is what it is, lmao.

Yeah, tonight's game was an exhibition game where the opposing team didn't show up, but the GDT had a lot of people already talking crazy. They might as well have been Jets fans.
 
You seem pretty worked up at an innocent question. And you still didn't answer the question. You said some people at Pats fans first and some Brady fans first. The implication being that if you want Brady to be here at all cost, you're a Brady fan first.

I asked the question, and I ask again, is it possible to be a Pats fan first and disagree with how the team is handling Brady's contract?

Your implication is the answer is no. You must toe the company line and agree with ownership if you are a Pats fans first. I am sorry but this is a view I fundamentally disagree with.

Oh and you didn't need to curse. It doesn't given your position any merit.
OK, here goes: 1) Please re-read your third sentence. As written, it's incomprehensible. 2) Your fourth sentence is either a lie or a gross misrepresentation of what I expressed. 3) You accused me of not answering your question, which is also a lie. I answered it by asking you a rhetorical question, which is a well-known and common literary means of response. You're what's commonly known as a word-twister but, unfortunately for you, you're not a very good one. Finally, I didn't curse in order to give my position merit, since my position had plenty of merit on its own. I told you to f### off because you deserved it, and after further embarrassing yourself you still deserve it. So f### off.
 
OK, here goes: 1) Please re-read your third sentence. As written, it's incomprehensible. 2) Your fourth sentence is either a lie or a gross misrepresentation of what I expressed. 3) You accused me of not answering your question, which is also a lie. I answered it by asking you a rhetorical question, which is a well-known and common literary means of response. You're what's commonly known as a word-twister but, unfortunately for you, you're not a very good one. Finally, I didn't curse in order to give my position merit, since my position had plenty of merit on its own. I told you to f### off because you deserved it, and after further embarrassing yourself you still deserve it. So f### off.
He's not worth your time.
 
There has never been a star quarterback potentially changing teams at such an advanced age and I do not see why a team would be looking to go much beyond $30M a year. And if some team did want to break the bank and go to $40M or so what type of team would that leave them with? Would Brady then want to play there? Teams can play with the cap short term but it would take a very specific team to make it work. Montana and Manning were only 37 and 36 when they played for new teams while Brady would be 43.
 
Brady should just walk away before they throw him away.
He has played long enough. He has nothing to prove.
Nothing lasts forever. He had a good run. All things come to an end.
 
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Mike Reis’s article as well as Zolack’s commentary on the deal last night made me feel much better about the contract situation. Both intimated that there is a mutual trust between Brady and the team that he will be taken care of on a year to year basis and he will not break the bank/kill the future cap. Zo is a great guy to listen to when it comes to insider info. He generally frames something as his opinion or throws out theories in a way as to not out any sources but to get it out there.
 
Brady should just walk away before they throw him away.
He has played long enough. He has nothing to prove.
Nothing lasts forever. He had a good run. All things come to an end.
Why should he quit if he enjoys playing, is good at it, and helps the team more than another player on the team would, taking his snaps?

If he becomes even an average QB I'd be OK with him hanging it up, but he is nowhere near that.

The decline could come at any time, but until it does, I am going to keep enjoying the ride.
 
Mike Reis’s article as well as Zolack’s commentary on the deal last night made me feel much better about the contract situation. Both intimated that there is a mutual trust between Brady and the team that he will be taken care of on a year to year basis and he will not break the bank/kill the future cap. Zo is a great guy to listen to when it comes to insider info. He generally frames something as his opinion or throws out theories in a way as to not out any sources but to get it out there.
Too bad Zo won't put his portly, contrarian sidekick Beetle in his place when the flaps his chins....
 
Brady was promoting the team position. Once the team started screwing with him in his NFL dotage, he stopped parroting that line, and the team still found a way to win a Super Bowl. History has long since proven that veterans don't need to be at OTAs, or even training camps, to be effective in regular seasons. It's nice for them to be there, and Brady was all about it before certain well known recent event chains, but that's not the same thing as it being super important or essential.

What's important is having talent. I'd rather this team have high talent across the offense, and have that talent not show up until training camp, than go through OTAs all together and still have us in a position where we have to say "well, they're still weak as hell at ____", any day and twice on Sundays.
I think we have what this team needs, what is required is the generation of chemistry with Brady.
I can understand that veterans don't need OTAs for certain positions. The QB position is not one of them especially for Brady. For all the greatness he has shown, he is one QB that requires WR/TEs to be exactly at his prefered spots on the field and I don't know how he can develop the chemistry he needs before the season starts. If Jules gets hurt, Brady will look very poor out there.
Break.
Can you list how this team has screwed Brady? I hope you are not referring to the QB picks the team has made recently. The team was just planning for the future. It will have been negligent for them not to be thinking and moving that way. We have won 3 superbowls the last few seasons. How has the team screwed Brady in his old age?
 
The most enjoyment I get in football is watching the Patriots win. Much as I love watching Tom Brady, at the point the Patriots are a better team without him then it is finally time to move on. I don't believe in rewarding players for past performance, only future potential.

How many other players have been considered hands-down the greatest ever in their sport? To think that Tom Brady isn’t a gigantic exception to any rule, to me, would be mind boggling. There’s tremendous value to the fans and franchise to have him play his entire career in New England. I don’t think the Lakers regret keeping Kobe Bryant for an extra year or two or the Yankees regret extending Derek Jeter past his productive days. I highly doubt, with the way things stand right now, we’re talking about a really clear and obvious situation where an old TB12 is a huge liability.
 
Brady should just walk away before they throw him away.
He has played long enough. He has nothing to prove.
Nothing lasts forever. He had a good run. All things come to an end.
7 rings.
 
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