Reports/Speculation: Texans will pursue Caserio AGAIN after 2020 Draft/UPDATE - Rumor: He wants out

[XLIX]

It's industry jargon. I'll let you research it.

It does not fall upon me to research a point you are trying to make.

I said it before and I’ll say it again: If league rules say “ABC applies to all front office personnel” and Caserio’s contract says “ABC does not apply to you” then that clause would be voided if push came to shove.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It does not fall upon me to research a point you are trying to make.

I said it before and I’ll say it again: If league rules say “ABC applies to all front office personnel” and Caserio’s contract says “ABC does not apply to you” then that clause would be voided if push came to shove.

Sorry but I don't feel compelled to inform you of a condition of employment

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I would be surprised if the Patriots made Nick stay against his wish of moving on to be GM of Houston. If he was dead set of going to the Texans BB would not want that type of bad juju in his clubhouse.

I believe Nick May have used it as some sort of leverage to better his contract and life. May have been monetary or some promise of more control. Probably the former.

All the contractual provision crap to me is Kraft and McNair throwing out a dead end scenario so as to not get into a blood battle. The NFL likes it also as to not have to deal with the fallout.

McNair probably knew he could be docked draft picks because he knew they tampered. Kraft makes nicey nice with the NFL and one owner knowing he may be at their mercy down the road with MassageGate. BB backs off knowing he is keeping Caserio and not needing the distraction of a fight.

 

[XLIX]

Sorry but I don't feel compelled to inform you of a condition of employment

If you don’t feel compelled to support your own thesis, then that’s on you. Your point remains unsupported and irrelevant.

 

[fnordcircle]

Yes, you're right. I was trying to communicate it as I have very little respect for the people who promote the clickbaiters. I will try to do better next time.

I love your overall point, though.

If people want the Volins and Max Kellermans of the world to go away there's an easy answer: Stop letting them outrage you into giving them free promotion.

 

[DaBruinz]

It does not fall upon me to research a point you are trying to make.

I said it before and I’ll say it again: If league rules say “ABC applies to all front office personnel” and Caserio’s contract says “ABC does not apply to you” then that clause would be voided if push came to shove.

Actually, It does fall upon you to know wtf you are talking about. Unfortunately, in this case, you don't. Contrary to the BS Florio was trying to peddle, the clause in Caserio's contract is perfectly legal because he is considered a Football Operations Person. The clause Florio referred to dealt with NON-Football operations. You'd know that if you bothered to actually read the entire section of that particular rule. Something that Florio didn't do.

And it HAS been linked, so it's not like you couldn't open it yourself..

 

[DaBruinz]

If you don’t feel compelled to support your own thesis, then that’s on you. Your point remains unsupported and irrelevant.

No. His point is supported just fine. Your post is what is irrelevant because you can't be bothered to do an iota of research to educate yourself before running your mouth.,

 

[RobertWeathers]

If you don’t feel compelled to support your own thesis, then that’s on you. Your point remains unsupported and irrelevant.

It's not a thesis. It's in his contract.

With the provision in his contract, the NEP double-protected themselves from the BS HOU was trying to pull. They can let Caserio interview and leave at any point.....for a price.

If you want to argue it's against NFL policy based on the crap Florio is slinging I don't think it's appropriate to be calling me out for not supporting a point .

 

[NEPats1]

There better be a full tampering investigation a little less than a year from now when Caserio’s contract expires. I’m far from convinced that the Texans will actually go through free agency and the draft without contacting him.

agreed this seems to be the plan for Texans

Why aren’t the Texans hiring a G.M.?

Some in league circles think the explanation is simple. The belief is that the Texans will bide their time and hire Patriots director of player personnel Caserio after the 2019 season ends, utilizing a cleaner procedure that avoids potential claims that the Texans spoke prematurely with Caserio or his agent. (Surprisingly, or not, Caserio and Texans executive Jack Easterby are both represented by Bob Lamonte.)

 

[NEPats1]

I want to start a new thread for this so it does not get buried in the other thread.

Below are two articles from Reiss and PFT offering similar reporting/speculation.

1) The first link is from Reiss who is plugged in and sometimes offers input with informed speculation:

LINK: New England Patriots


2. What might have led Texans to stop pursuit of Caserio: Houston Texans Chairman and CEO Cal McNair said in a statement on Friday that once Houston was "made aware of certain terms in Nick's contract with the Patriots," he informed New England owner Robert Kraft that the club would no longer pursue Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio as general manager. That was a significant development for the Patriots and sparks an obvious question: What are those terms? One theory that makes the most sense is that Caserio perhaps agreed not to pursue any openings when he signed his last extension with the Patriots. I could envision the Patriots asking for that consideration from Caserio in exchange for longer-term security and an increased salary. If that is the case, one wonders if Caserio now regrets this based on the events of the past week.

3. Caserio's place with Patriots moving forward: One trickle-down effect of the Texans not pursuing Caserio for their GM position -- with the Patriots fighting to retain Caserio by initially filing tampering charges with the NFL on Wednesday before withdrawing them -- is how it might affect Caserio's desire to stay in New England long term. While I think Caserio is a pro's pro who has an uncanny ability to take emotion out of the equation (similar to coach Bill Belichick) -- and will smoothly transition back to his regular responsibilities in the short term -- developments over the past week seemed to reflect that Caserio might be motivated to move on from New England when contractual obligations are no longer an obstacle. (Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reported that Caserio's contract expires after the 2020 NFL draft.) Along those lines, one of the things I was surprised to learn over the past week was that Caserio is listed as a client of influential agent Bob LaMonte. In the past, I believe Caserio has mostly represented himself in contract negotiations. LaMonte, who represents some of the biggest names in the business, also lists former Patriots character coach and current Texans executive vice president of team development Jack Easterby as a client.

2) and PFT chimes in too:

LINK: Why aren’t the Texans hiring a G.M.?

Some in league circles think the explanation is simple. The belief is that the Texans will bide their time and hire Patriots director of player personnel Caserio after the 2019 season ends, utilizing a cleaner procedure that avoids potential claims that the Texans spoke prematurely with Caserio or his agent. (Surprisingly, or not, Caserio and Texans executive Jack Easterby are both represented by Bob Lamonte.)

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Hope Caserio signs a extension.
If not bye Felecia.

 

[patman52]

Well, duh. since they decided not to hire a GM this year it does not take much intuition to assume they are waiting for him. I think BB may let him go in Sept after the rosters shake out. Then Bill will bring in Lombardi to help run the FO till BB appoints a replacement.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Well, duh. since they decided not to hire a GM this year it does not take much intuition to assume they are waiting for him. I think BB may let him go in Sept after the rosters shake out. Then Bill will bring in Lombardi to help run the FO till BB appoints a replacement.

Wby would he want to work under Obrein vs Belichick.
Makes no sense

 

[farn]

Wby would he want to work under Obrein vs Belichick.
Makes no sense

Because he might think O’B is working under him. That is the whole point : Caserio would (speculation) want to be the boss, be the man. Anyone here think he’d even consider HOU if he is not the decision maker ?

 

[Family]

In most situations GM is boss.

Nick might even fire O'Brien first day, if hired.

 

[borg]

The “Character” coach has an agent.... priceless.
Who represents the lunch ladies?
Who represents the Deflator?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wby would he want to work under Obrein vs Belichick.
Makes no sense

This is the great unknown. All depends on the operational and organizational dynamics inside the Texans FO and how 2019 plays out.

My belief is BOB has a powerful voice inside the Texans' organization and has great influence with Cal McNair - but we don't know what Cal REALLY thinks of BOB as it was the father who hired him. I'm not sure what they were going to do about Rick Smith but part of me wonders if his wife hadn't been diagnosed with Stage 4 breast cancer (she passed away in January) he might have been on the chopping block regardless (especially when he went solo on the Osweiler singing which was a disaster).

Clearly BOB wants Nick and they wanted him or Monit back in 2018 . What we don't know is what is Cal's vision of Caserio's role? Will Nick have carte' blanche in structuring the org from top down in his vision or will Cal have final say (you always want the owner part of the process). As far as football matters, will BOB and Nick be 100% aligned on player profile, salary structure or will it be a Pom-Pom/John Schneider situation where Pete has final say but John does all the legwork based on Pete's vision (which is kinda like what it is here). In theory, these are questions Nick would gain clarity of during the interview process.

O'Brien is entering his 6th season with the team. He is 42-38 and 1-3 in the playoffs including a crappy home loss in the playoffs. I think the reason he is still there is because McNair believed in synergy and also BOB is very good salesman and Machiavellian in how he operates and will not hesitate throwing people under the bus that threaten his standing with the club.

This could all work out well for BOB either way. Without a GM this year he becomes the interim GM. If HOU has a great year, he could petition Cal McNair for permanent "final say" authority and if so, I'm not sure why Nick would go there. If they go 6-10 with the healthy Watson, then Nick would be in a better position to have final say and as part of his plan would be to retain BOB. Worst case scenario for BOB is they go 4-12 and Cal goes nuclear and cans BOB, Easterbunny, etc and brings in someone with non-Patriot DNA

Pretty cunning of BOB if you ask me.

 

[SBLIII]

Wby would he want to work under Obrein vs Belichick.
Makes no sense

Good chance he doesn't want to work under anyone.

 

[VectorPrime]

Wby would he want to work under Obrein vs Belichick.
Makes no sense

Because he’ll be getting a promotion and Because he might view the long term prospects of the Texans as better then that of the Pats. It’s not a ridiculous idea.

 

[FCB02062]

Slow time of the year I see