Reports/Speculation: Texans will pursue Caserio AGAIN after 2020 Draft/UPDATE - Rumor: He wants out

[luuked]

When you decide not to renew the contract of your “character coach” and he sneaks around tampering with employees to steal them. Hmmm

Lombardi talked about Easterby a few weeks back in his podcast kinda implying that he had big ambitions beyond "being a character coach". He apparently did more than just that for the Pats and wanted even more responsibilities.

 

[luuked]

People are assuming Caserio wanted to leave when there is no evidence of that, and the only evidence of anything related to his contract is that he agreed to a clause that doesn’t allow him to leave, which would indicate he’s not interested in going elsewhere.

That is the thing that confuses me about a lot of talk here. There was zero evidence that Caserio actually wanted to leave or is unhappy with his role here.

Agreeing to an interview -- which is also something we never heard he did -- might as well just be a leverage play to get a better contract right here.

Why would he go anywhere else ? He not only is on a highly successful team but is able to contribute on the business side as quasi-GM at the same time as being involved hands-on in coaching.

 

[Ivan]

That is the thing that confuses me about a lot of talk here. There was zero evidence that Caserio actually wanted to leave or is unhappy with his role here.

Agreeing to an interview -- which is also something we never heard he did -- might as well just be a leverage play to get a better contract right here.

Why would he go anywhere else ? He not only is on a highly successful team but is able to contribute on the business side as quasi-GM at the same time as being involved hands-on in coaching.

I agree. Belichick has been grooming Caserio for almost 18 years and while it’s just a guess I would say that Caserio appreciates that and signed his deal knowing that he will succeed Belichick in running the organization when Belichick steps aside. There is no evidence whatsoever that he wants to leave, it’s just an assumption people are making because other team’s want him and people think he would get more than he is currently getting, which nobody really knows. Imo this will end the efforts of other team’s to poach him as it is now public knowledge that he agreed to a contract that doesn’t allow teams to interview him. Personally I’m really happy about this as I think he’s the right guy to continue running this program.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agree. If Caserio knew that he couldn’t even interview then he knew the contact was inappropriate and likely reported it himself, and wasn’t looking to leave as he had signed a deal so good it prohibited it. Which takes us back to Caserio knowing he is taking over the Patriots when Belichick steps down. This will most likely end team’s looking to Caserio for a new GM.

Both Curren and Reiss have said Caserio is the most ethical, loyal, straight-laced, by-the-rules, goodie-two-shoes non-player they have encountered in their time covering the team. If we are to believe them, then I would rule out Caserio or his agent conspiring with Easterbunny, BOB and McNair Jr in trying to manipulate a trade for Nick by running the Tamper-to-force-a-Trade playbook.

Here is what I think happened:
1) While they are looking at their rings at Casa de Kraft, Easterbunny asks Nick (in whatever way indicates tampering) if he is interested in HOU GM role.

2) Shortly thereafter, goodie-two-shoes Nick goes to BB and Kraft and says Easterbunny approached him about HOU role.

3a) BB/Kraft a) ask Nick, "are you interested? Are you not happy?" Nick says, "Maybe? I just want to build a team on my own" b) BB/Kraft say HOU has not formally requested an interview b) per his contract he can't interview.
3a + ) There MAY have been a brief conversation between Nick/BB/Kraft to the effect of, "Hey, we love you and we want you to stay. We know your contract is done after this year. We will want to keep you but we don't want you to stay if you don't want to be here. You are part of the long term plan. Tell ya what, we can a) let you interview but we will be asking for a ton of picks from HOU OR b) sweeten you current deal so you are happy short term like we did for Josh or c) we ask you be 100% committed to this season, lets ramp up Monti to be the next poo-bah and we will part as friends in 2020 as Bill will be coaching here until hes 93 years old.

4) Based on Nick's response (which IMO was he wants to stay) when Kraft tells Cal McNair he can either a) give NE 2 1sts for Nick or b) drop going after Nick or we move fwd with tampering, Cal backs down.

I think Nick's contract language is irrelevant. Kraft could have waived that if HOU was willing to play. They weren't so they backed off.

 

[Ivan]

Both Curren and Reiss have said that Caserio is the most ethical, loyal, straight-laced, by-the-rules, goodie-two-shoes non-player they have encountered in their time covering the team. If we are to believe them, then I would rule out Caserio or his agent conspiring with Easterbunny, BOB and McNair Jr in trying to manipulate a trade for Nick by running the Tamper-to-force-a-Trade playbook.

Here is what I think happened:
1) While they are looking at their rings at Casa de Kraft, Easterbunny asks Nick (in whatever way indicates tampering) if he is interested in HOU GM role.

2) Shortly thereafter, goodie-two-shoes Nick goes to BB and Kraft and says Easterbunny approached him about HOU role.

3a) BB/Kraft tell Nick a) ask, "are you interested? Are you not happy?" Nick says, "Maybe" ? b) BB/Kraft say HOU has not formally requested an interview b) per his contract he can't interview.
3a + ) There MAY have been a brief conversation between Nick/BB/Kraft to the effect of, "Hey, we love you and we want you to stay. We know your contract is done after this year. We will want to keep you but we don't want you to stay if you don't want to be here. You are part of the long term plan. Tell ya what, we can a) let you interview but we will be asking for a ton of picks from HOU OR b) sweeten you current deal so you are happy short term like we did for Josh or c) we ask you be 100% committed to this season, lets ramp up Monti to be the next poo-bah and we will part as friends in 2020 ask Bill will be coaching here until hes 93 years old.

4) When Kraft tells Cal McNair he can either a) give NE 2 1sts for Nick or b) drop going after Nick or we move fwd with tampering, Cal backs down.

I think Nick's contract language is irrelevant. Kraft could have waived that if HOU was willing to play. They weren't so they backed off.

I agree with much of that but if Houston really believed Caserio was the guy to turn them into the Patriots then two 1sts would be a low price to pay. How much would Belichick have been worth in retrospect?

I don’t think Caserio's Contract language is irrelevant, I think it’s the most important piece of evidence that he is taking over for Belichick when he steps down. The only thing I can think of that it’s similar to is the language in Belichick’s contract with the Jets, naming him as successor to Parcells.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree with much of that but if Houston really believed Caserio was the guy to turn them into the Patriots then two 1sts would be a low price to pay. How much would Belichick have been worth in retrospect?

Maybe it's 3 1sts? Whatever absurdly high ask for a FO leader to run another team's football operation.

What would BB be worth? Wow.....maybe start with 5 1st rounders? Even that isn't enough IMO.

 

[SBLIII]

Any contract can be broken.

Caserio is staying because BB is leaving. If the Pats win another BB is calling it a career. It's the same reason why Mcdaniels is sticking around.

These guys want to get out from under BBs shadow the same way BB wanted out of Parcells grip. Caserio and Daniels have a great relationship with BB but still they want to stand on their own feet and take the next challenge. They would be taking over a successful business if they just bide their time.

I'm not sure if that logic re Caserio is realistic however BB leaving after this year is believable.

 

[SBLIII]

Maybe it's 3 1sts? Whatever absurdly high ask for a FO leader to run another team's football operation.

What would BB be worth? Wow.....maybe start with 5 1st rounders? Even that isn't enough IMO.

way too much. BB could retire any minute

 

[RobertWeathers]

way too much. BB could retire any minute

You'd be surprised how desperate some owners are to be respected and win.

 

[DaBruinz]

So far as I'm concerned BOB is a bigger D-bag than Mangini. This A-hole has been with the Texans for 5 years and can't develop any coaches or front office personnel, so he goes & steals them from the Pats. I hope he goes 4 & 12 and gets fired. It could very well happen if his scrambling QB takes a bad hit & gets hurt. It would serve him perfectly well.

And Easterby, like most overtly religious people, always struck me as a sanctimonious phony. He has quite a nerve spouting his moral authority while back-stabbing the team he owes his entire career to.

Just a minor point. Vrabel got his coaching start in the NFL under BOB and was with them for 4 years. And Vrabel is now the HC of the Titans.. So. I wouldn't say that he can't develop coaches.

 

[DaBruinz]

Fait enough, but I am fairly certain that the man deserves a raise..otherwise there wouldn't be much hullabaloo surrounding him... then again it is a slow news cycle....

There'd be this much hullabaloo regardless of whether he deserved a raise because he's still under contract.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Any contract can be broken.

Caserio is staying because BB is leaving. If the Pats win another BB is calling it a career. It's the same reason why Mcdaniels is sticking around.

These guys want to get out from under BBs shadow the same way BB wanted out of Parcells grip. Caserio and Daniels have a great relationship with BB but still they want to stand on their own feet and take the next challenge. They would be taking over a successful business if they just bide their time.

I don't disagree with you that BB wanted out of Parcells' grip. However, I think BB's resignation press conference about not working in an unsettled ownership environment (particularly after his Cleveland experience) has proven to be prescient and could well have been the most important reason. If not, why agree in the first place to take over for Parcells when he stepped down?

 

[Patriot Missile]

I believe that when the League docks you daft picks because you tampered it does not go to the team that got tampered with. You just lose those pick(s). One less pick in those rounds like Deflategate.

If you work outa compensation then you get whatever picks are agreed upon

Half true. In 2008 49ers lost a 5th round pick for tampering with Bears LB Dwight Briggs. Draft pick was lost period. However they were forced to swap 3rd rounders in that draft by the devil RG. So compensation can happen.

 

[Ivan]

Maybe it's 3 1sts? Whatever absurdly high ask for a FO leader to run another team's football operation.

What would BB be worth? Wow.....maybe start with 5 1st rounders? Even that isn't enough IMO.

I agree, the value of someone who could turn a program into a consistent success is beyond draft picks or players. There isn’t a player other than Brady who would come close to equaling the value of a Belichick.

 

[farn]

People are assuming Caserio wanted to leave when there is no evidence of that, and the only evidence of anything related to his contract is that he agreed to a clause that doesn’t allow him to leave, which would indicate he’s not interested in going elsewhere.

Used the word IF

 

[Ivan]

PFT is suggesting the clause is against league rules yet Tagliabue set the market when the Jets had a similar clause for Belichick. People were fine with it then but now that it’s the Patriots invoking it they want to claim it’s illegal. Caserio clearly knew what he was signing and agreed to it.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Malcolm Butler is the son of a Stark and Targaryen

Or a Barathean that Joffrey's people missed .

Clearly, Butler was a Host that BB was fooled by because he'd become self-aware. He had to be rolled back.

Now Caserio, that's a GoT-type name. In fact, it should be its own military order, the Caserio (plural.)

 

[Love The Drake]

I'm sure the contract was gone thru with a fined tooth comb if we allow Goodell to void team contracts that's a very scary path.

 

[RobertWeathers]

PFT is suggesting the clause is against league rules yet Tagliabue set the market when the Jets had a similar clause for Belichick. People were fine with it then but now that it’s the Patriots invoking it they want to claim it’s illegal. Caserio clearly knew what he was signing and agreed to it.

I respect that Florio was a lawyer in a past-life but PFT is talking out if it's ass.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm sure the contract was gone thru with a fined tooth comb if we allow Goodell to void team contracts that's a very scary path.

Its one thing for Goody to screw with the players and punishing FO and owners for being naughty.

Even Goody isn't stupid enough to rule whether existing employee agreements/contracts are valid/invalid between the owner and FO employees.

If he is....its war.