2019 UDFA’s

[Wozzy]

Is that guaranteed money? If so quite the difference from top to bottom.

It is, but still peanuts in the big picture.

 

[BelichicksHoodie]

It is, but still peanuts in the big picture.

Of course in the big picture, but for those guys, 100k difference is pretty substantial for UDFAs. Considering most, if not all of them won't get another crack after this training camp.

 

[Jimke]

Don't turn your nose up too much at these UDFAs. The Patriots are one of
the league leaders in UDFAs on their roster thru the years. Players like
Welker and Amendola were UDFAs.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Anyone remember off the top of their head how much we paid Langi?

 

[BelichickFan]

For the "Irv Smith" in the first round crowd:

Beck's pro day:

Ht 6'3"
Wt 252
40 4.55 & 4.63
VJ 34
BJ 119
3 Cone 7.11
Shuttle 4.19
Bench 24

Smith's combine:

Ht 6'2"
Wt 242
40 4.63
VJ 32.5
BJ 110
3 Cone 7.32
Shuttle 4.33
Bench 19

Not saying Beck is any good but he's bigger than Smith and every number was better; admittedly on different surfaces.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

For the "Irv Smith" in the first round crowd:

Beck's pro day:

Ht 6'3"
Wt 252
40 4.55 & 4.63
VJ 34
BJ 119
3 Cone 7.11
Shuttle 4.19
Bench 24

Smith's combine:

Ht 6'2"
Wt 242
40 4.63
VJ 32.5
BJ 110
3 Cone 7.32
Shuttle 4.33
Bench 19

Not saying Beck is any good but he's bigger than Smith and every number was better; admittedly on different surfaces.

Was never a Smith in the first fan. Could live with the pick round 2 though. And yes measurables were similar; game film was not. Smith the much more polished receiver

 

[Patsgofor4]

All told it's a pretty crappy UDFA class, the one diamond in the rough is guard Calvin Anderson from Texas, he gets my vote.

He was a transfer from Rice, brilliant student, crazy good athlete, mobility would have been the best at the combine for all O-linemen, great strength and vertical.

No offense but it’s very unlikely that you know enough about the UDFA pool this year, or any year, to label it “crappy”. It seems to me that the “name” UFDAs who are known to the draft expert wanna-be crowd are not usually players that end up being NFL starters.

From the articles that I have read, the Pats signed a handful of guys who were thought to be rd 5-7 draftable. While they benefit from their long history of UDFAs who have made the 53, this is more than counterbalanced by their lack of roster spots. The guys that many of us wanted this year, like Sills (Bills) and Morgan (Bengals) went to sh*t teams with better roster opportunities.

 

[Wozzy]

No offense but it’s very unlikely that you know enough about the UDFA pool this year, or any year, to label it “crappy”. It seems to me that the “name” UFDAs who are known to the draft expert wanna-be crowd are not usually players that end up being NFL starters.

From the articles that I have read, the Pats signed a handful of guys who were thought to be rd 5-7 draftable. While they benefit from their long history of UDFAs who have made the 53, this is more than counterbalanced by their lack of roster spots. The guys that many of us wanted this year, like Sills (Bills) and Morgan (Bengals) went to sh*t teams with better roster opportunities.

Funny... every time I think this site and other's like it were created for "opinions," an expert like you comes along to correct me.

By crappy undrafted class I was referring to the players the Pats brought in specifically, feel free to correct me which players are sure locks to make this roster, I gave you the one I consider the best and say the rest are doubtful to poor.

 

[Patsgofor4]

$115K for Beck?!?

We'd be better-off if Bill had simply drafted Caleb Wilson or Dax Raymond in the 7th round instead of Yet...Another...CB/FS.

So in addition to CB, you feel like your TEs scouting skills are also superior to the Pats’? Maybe, just maybe, they liked Beck better as a player in general and/or a fit for them in particular. From what I have read, the Pats only had 75-100 draftable players of their board this year. Neither Wilson nor Raymond were likely on that list and the fact that they traded 2 of their 3 7th round picks indicates that their well has run dry early this hear. His high guarantee likely means that other teams really wanted Beck as well and the Pats had to be aggressive with their offer.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't turn your nose up too much at these UDFAs. The Patriots are one of
the league leaders in UDFAs on their roster thru the years. Players like
Welker and Amendola were UDFAs.

Neither Welker nor Amendola were UDFAs, in any meaningful sense, by the time they got the N.E.. They were players who'd already managed to make it in the league.

Patriots UDFAs that make the team are usually (not always, but usually) niche players who can be used in specific roles, but not necessarily long term solutions as major players. So that allows for a churning at the bottom of the roster, and more room for future UDFAs to have an impact.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Funny... every time I think this site and other's like it were created for "opinions," an expert like you comes along to correct me.

By crappy undrafted class I was referring to the players the Pats brought in specifically, feel free to correct me which players are sure locks to make this roster, I gave you the one I consider the best and say the rest are doubtful to poor.

If you read my post, I’m saying the opposite, that I’m not an college prospect expert. Frankly no poster here is when it comes to players 250-400 on a theoretical draft board. I can say that they signed some interesting guys but time will tell, and that’s as far as I can go. I hope that their area scouts saw potential in unsung players that other teams’ scouts didn’t (see Butler, Malcolm). “It’s a pretty crappy class” (without any explanation) does not read like an opinion but, rather, read like an (uninformed) fact.

 

[Deus Irae]

It’s a pretty crappy class” (without any explanation) does not read like an opinion but, rather, read like an (uninformed) fact.

I'm not sure where you're getting that notion. "It's a pretty crappy class", said with regards to a current class that has not yet proved or disproved itself, is obviously an opinion. It's no different than the standard post-draft grades that are given out on TV, radio, and message boards.

 

[patfanken]

Gauthier is interesting because he's a center who has played some guard. Depth at center is an issue.

I'm not sold on Wynn as a tackle at this point in the NFL. Solder, Vollmer, Brown, Cannon are all taller. You have to go back to Matt Light (not a bad comparison) to find a 6'4" starting tackle for the Patriots. I hope he works out and can handle the grind. Everybody in the division drafted DLs to get to the geezer at QB for the Patriots. The OL is the most important position group on the field, and the loss of 6'8" 375lb Trent Brown was huge, literally and figuratively.

Why aren't you "sold" on Wynn? His height???? That ridiculous analysis. Wynn has already played against a lot of the so called elite edge guys playing in the SEC and was outstanding against them. It ON tape. Why wouldn't he succeed now? 2 or 3 inches of height has almost NOTHING to do with being able to pass block. Quickness, agility, timing, and footwork are all INFINITELY more important and its in THOSE key areas that Wynn excelled and why the Pats took him at #23.

Sorry but all the questions I hear about Wynn are starting to wear down my well known patience.

 

[Wozzy]

If you read my post, I’m saying the opposite, that I’m not an college prospect expert. Frankly no poster here is when it comes to players 250-400 on a theoretical draft board. I can say that they signed some interesting guys but time will tell, and that’s as far as I can go. I hope that their area scouts saw potential in unsung players that other teams’ scouts didn’t (see Butler, Malcolm). “It’s a pretty crappy class” (without any explanation) does not read like an opinion but, rather, read like an (uninformed) fact.

I like guard Calvin Anderson from Texas a lot, beyond him it's my opinion the UDFA's the Patriots brought in weren't particularly promising. Time will tell whether my "expertise" is enough...

 

[captain stone]

Anyone remember off the top of their head how much we paid Langi?

According to NESN's Zachary Cox, Langi was paid $115K in 2017, exactly the same as Beck is being paid now.

 

[pats_premi]

I’m guessing Jacobi Meyers and Nick Brossette makes the 53 this year. Meyer’s playing style remind me of Troy Brown (slow but consistently catching the ball)

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

If you read my post, I’m saying the opposite, that I’m not an college prospect expert. Frankly no poster here is when it comes to players 250-400 on a theoretical draft board. I can say that they signed some interesting guys but time will tell, and that’s as far as I can go. I hope that their area scouts saw potential in unsung players that other teams’ scouts didn’t (see Butler, Malcolm). “It’s a pretty crappy class” (without any explanation) does not read like an opinion but, rather, read like an (uninformed) fact.

They signed all players we've been watching for years lol

Hall, Meyers, Beck, Gant etc aren't name players but certainly known to draftniks.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I’m guessing Jacobi Meyers and Nick Brossette makes the 53 this year. Meyer’s playing style remind me of Troy Brown (slow but consistently catching the ball)

Brossette was a big time recruit but just lacked athleticism to really excel at the position. If Harris is healthy I doubt he makes it tbh but he's the type of back Bill loves. No nonsense. Will hit you all day long. Some power. Volume guy you can grind it out w.

I really like Meyers. Big, possession, Big-Slot potential. Dude has hands.

I think he has a great shot at the 53. I really think we're giving Brady some size at WR & think he has a really good chance to make an impact here.

 

[SBLIII]

I’m guessing Jacobi Meyers and Nick Brossette makes the 53 this year. Meyer’s playing style remind me of Troy Brown (slow but consistently catching the ball)

I think a lot depends on Thomas and Gordon.

 

[Betterthanmost]

What is the story with Xavier Ubosi now?