2019 Mock Draft FAIL thread

[manxman2601]

Austin Cunningham's 2019 NFL Mock Draft v1.0 - Whole Nine Sports

No matter how you feel about the players individually, it would be a bummer of a combination.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I’d be reasonably excited by the three names all things being equal (talk about athleticism at the safety position) but would feel flat at the end of day two if that’s how it went down. Still, there’d be three picks on day three and hopefully a decent TE or two on the board and I’d be comforted by the knowledge that we’d snagged one of the best prospects in the draft (Simmons is Lance Zierlein’s no 2 prospect overall) and we’d have the most athletics safety combination in the NFL for the next generation.

In summary, I’d feel flat but also a little bit hopeful.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Man, I'd actually love those players. It may not help a ton for this year, but I'm not convinced we need all that much defensive production from rookies in 2019. Throw in some day three receivers and TEs + Brady, and we'll still contend for a championship. Going forward we'd have the replacements we'd need at safety (presuming they pan out), plus our own version of Suh on the DL. Pretty exciting in my book.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ummm, what?

32. Dalton Risner - OT
School: Kansas State | Year: Senior (RS)

Yes, Gronk has left the building, and the TE position looks particularly bereft for the Patriots, but when has New England done exactly as predicted? The O-line gets great help with Risner, who can plug in and play well from Day 1. He played center, guard and tackle at K-State, and I love his overall backstory/makeup/consistently excellent play.

Charles Davis 2019 NFL mock draft 2.0: Bengals, Broncos go QB

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Ummm, what?



Charles Davis 2019 NFL mock draft 2.0: Bengals, Broncos go QB

Several of us have actually discussed Risner as a strong 1st round target. He's a good RT if Cannon retires next year, he could play LT in a pinch if Wynn takes longer to recover, he can play guard if we have injuries or Thuney leaves in free agency, and at the very least he's active every game day as a swing tackle and 4 slot backup + tackle eligible in heavy packages.

I'm not sure how that's a fail.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'm not sure how that's a fail.

It's the fact that he seems to have forgotten that Wynn is on IR. It's also the fact that he expects Belichick to do the unexpected because it's unexpected.

 

[manxman2601]

Several of us have actually discussed Risner as a strong 1st round target. He's a good RT if Cannon retires next year, he could play LT in a pinch if Wynn takes longer to recover, he can play guard if we have injuries or Thuney leaves in free agency, and at the very least he's active every game day as a swing tackle and 4 slot backup + tackle eligible in heavy packages.

I'm not sure how that's a fail.

I think Risner is a good example of what I was arguing elsewhere. Draft for beyond 2019, not just 2019. I understand the impulse to look at the current needs and want to draft according to them but I still think we should be drafting the best players available considering the situation beyond 2019 so long as there’s a roster spot available.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think Risner is a good example of what I was arguing elsewhere. Draft for beyond 2019, not just 2019. I understand the impulse to look at the current needs and want to draft according to them but I still think we should be drafting the best players available considering the situation beyond 2019 so long as there’s a roster spot available.

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but the question is "What helps the team the most?" Assuming the Pats aren't planning to dump Cannon next year, an OT would not add much value.

 

[manxman2601]

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but the question is "What helps the team the most?" Assuming the Pats aren't planning to dump Cannon next year, an OT would not add much value.

Well firstly I don’t think you can look at one pick in isolation. We have twelve of them so you can still help sort out the roster later. Secondly, are you talking about what helps the roster most in 2019 or 2020 and beyond? Personally, I’d draft with a view to the latter. OT is not my preference for 32 personally, I’ve been looking primarily at DT there, but I would prefer the BPA there, not just a reach for n immediate need. If that’s Risner, then fine (although I would likely have Lawrence, Tillery and Simmons higher on my board).

Finally, Cannon is not the only issue. Thuney is a FA next year and Wynn is coming back from an injury with no NFL experience. Also, we stayed healthy on the interior OL last year for which there’s no guarantee this. I’d be fine with the levels of insurance we’d get from adding a quality OL to the roster.

 

[mgteich]

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but the question is "What helps the team the most?" Assuming the Pats aren't planning to dump Cannon next year, an OT would not add much value.

I believe that a swing OT has considerable value, especially with with Wynn and Cannon as our OT's. I would be shocked if both played the entire 2019 season without injury (and 2020 for that matter).

I would not be shocked to see us draft an OT at 32, although, if we are choosing an OL, a guard is more likely. Most likely is DT.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

FMIA’s Non-Mock NFL Draft: What Each Team Should Do in First Round

Again, how does this improve the team more than an edge player or pass catcher? Yeah, Jones is on a one-year deal, but is that really the best use of a first-round pick?

32. New England: Best corner, edge player or receiver. I’d take Greedy Williams, the corner from LSU. Serious top 10 prospect in October, and nothing happened to knock him down other than the fact that so many other corners are close to him in ability. Pats can dip into deep wideout/tight end market at 56, 64 or 73 overall, or with a trade. The tight end who might fit well is Texas A&M’s Jace Sternberger—if the Patriots think he can block well enough in their scheme. He can stretch a defense.

 

[manxman2601]

FMIA’s Non-Mock NFL Draft: What Each Team Should Do in First Round

Again, how does this improve the team more than an edge player or pass catcher? Yeah, Jones is on a one-year deal, but is that really the best use of a first-round pick?

My understanding is that the knock on Greedy is that he's lazy in run support. That wouldn't fly with BB.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's 45 minutes long, so I'll just summarize. Another "Even if you like the individuals, the whole thing disappoints" mock:

32. Traded to Arizona for Josh Rosen
56. S Johnathan Abram
64. LB Sutton Smith

 

[manxman2601]

It's 45 minutes long, so I'll just summarize. Another "Even if you like the individuals, the whole thing disappoints" mock:

32. Traded to Arizona for Josh Rosen
56. S Johnathan Abram
64. LB Sutton Smith

Yuck.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The 2019 What Jeff Risdon Would Do NFL Mock Draft

No trades. Name tells you how it's supposed to work. Explanations for first-rounders only.

32. New England Patriots: Dawson Knox, TE, Ole Miss. Ignore the meager college production. Knox played with two WRs already off the board here, diminishing his opportunities. When he did get looks, he thrived in both the short and long passing game. His blocking is a lot better than you would expect of a converted QB. In case you haven’t heard, the Patriots have a massive hole to fill at TE…

56. Patriots (from CHI): Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor
64. Patriots: Michael Dogbe, DT, Temple

73. Patriots (from DET): Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
97. Patriots: Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison
101. Patriots: Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt

Two corners in the third round?

 

[manxman2601]

The 2019 What Jeff Risdon Would Do NFL Mock Draft

No trades. Name tells you how it's supposed to work. Explanations for first-rounders only.

32. New England Patriots: Dawson Knox, TE, Ole Miss. Ignore the meager college production. Knox played with two WRs already off the board here, diminishing his opportunities. When he did get looks, he thrived in both the short and long passing game. His blocking is a lot better than you would expect of a converted QB. In case you haven’t heard, the Patriots have a massive hole to fill at TE…

56. Patriots (from CHI): Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor
64. Patriots: Michael Dogbe, DT, Temple

73. Patriots (from DET): Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
97. Patriots: Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison
101. Patriots: Joejuan Williams, CB, Vanderbilt

Two corners in the third round?

I don’t like that 2nd round..at all..but I have to confess, I do like those two CBs. Okay, hard to fit them on the roster but Moreland is a feisty, athletic ballhawk (18 career interceptions) and I quite like the idea of having a Brandon Browner type in Williams. Moreland becomes Jonathan Jones’ replacement, Dawson switches to McCourty’s slot safety role and Williams takes on the big SRs/athletic TEs freeing up Gilmore to go against the more athletic WRs after this year. The issue is getting them on the roster this year. But that 2nd round sucks.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A three-rounder from YardBarker.

32. New England Patriots: Jeffery Simmons, DT, Mississippi State
Simmons could miss all of next season after tearing his ACL while preparing for the combine, but he was a potential top 20 pick before the injury. He would be quite a value pick for a Patriots team that will need help up front.

These two statements seem . . . contradictory.

And, for the record, the rest of it is rather underwhelming, too.

56. New England Patriots (via Bears): Oshane Ximines, DE, Old Dominion
64. New England Patriots: Andy Isabella, WR, UMass
73. New England Patriots (via Lions): Connor McGovern, OG, Penn State
97. New England Patriots: Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State
101. New England Patriots: Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And this is just bizarro land: Mike Tagliere’s Final 2019 NFL Mock Draft with Trades – Three Rounds

56. *PROJECTED TRADE* Buffalo Bills (from Patriots) – N’Keal Harry (WR – Arizona State)
The Bills move up by giving the Patriots their second-round pick next year and fourth-round pick (No. 112 overall) this year in exchange for the No. 56 overall pick. They need a big-bodied wide receiver who offers a big catch radius, as they have plenty of speed on the roster already, so Harry fills that need.

[. . .]

64. New England Patriots – Deebo Samuel
The Patriots were contemplating him at No. 56 before trading that pick to the Bills, so they’re happy to see him still on the board. Samuel is a receiver who can move all over the field, similar to Julian Edelman. He’s best-suited for slot-work in the NFL, but he does have plenty of experience on the perimeter. The Patriots desperately need wide receiver help and Samuel was one of six wide receivers they brought in for private visits.

 

[manxman2601]

And this is just bizarro land: Mike Tagliere’s Final 2019 NFL Mock Draft with Trades – Three Rounds

I’m curious as to what you think is bizarre about this apart from the fact that both those players will probably be gone before this person predicts them to go.

 

[manxman2601]

A three-rounder from YardBarker.



These two statements seem . . . contradictory.

And, for the record, the rest of it is rather underwhelming, too.

I’m afraid I’m going to disagree with you. Josh Oliver is one of the best pure receiving TEs, Sean Bunting is one of the best pure man cover corners in the draft and whilst I don’t love Isabella, BB has shown that he wants speed at the WR spot. Ximenes and McGovern are so so but I think any draft where you pick at 32 and get one of the best 5-10 best players in the whole draft, the most productive WR in college football and a super physical press man corner doesn’t seem that bad.

 

[SBLIII]

A three-rounder from YardBarker.



These two statements seem . . . contradictory.

And, for the record, the rest of it is rather underwhelming, too.

Only questionable pick is McGovern to me. Overall it would be a good draft for the Patriots especially Simmons and Bunting.