Round 7 targets?

[manxman2601]

I watched a ton of Iowa games the past 2 years bc I really liked what I saw from Stanley coming into the year. He didn't progress at all but it was clear those around him were held back or limited w what they could do.

Easley would recognize a zone design, run a dig so a LB would be on him as opposed to a DB w no look from the QB.

Tons of plays like that or he'd just beat his man w no shot of getting the ball.

Killed the 10, shuttle & 3 which love & ran a sub 4.55 I believe? He'd be an excellent fit here.

One reason I want to wait at WR & a possible trade up for a TE. I'd be down w a small trade for Fant/Hock but its a position ruled by guys like Kittle, Ertz, Kelce, McDonald, Walker etc excluding Gronk who was a 2nd but top 10-20 on a lot of boards.

His 10 yard split is clear on film, he clearly has a second gear. The quickness is very evident too with some Edelman like ankle breaking routes. And the thing I liked most was the fact that he catches the ball away from his body. There was some stuff I wasn’t so keen on. He ran out of bounds short of the FG line on a play at the end of the game (Penn State I believe) and sometimes his routes aren’t so crisp but it’s all there to be coached up. Of all the smurfs we’ve signed or drafted over the recent years, he’s the one I feel best about.

 

[patchick]

One reason I want to wait at WR & a possible trade up for a TE. I'd be down w a small trade for Fant/Hock but its a position ruled by guys like Kittle, Ertz, Kelce, McDonald, Walker etc excluding Gronk who was a 2nd but top 10-20 on a lot of boards.

Similarly, I find that my mocks work out most happily when I take an OT like Risner at #32. Plenty of receiving talent can be had later on, but the list of swing tackles I'd be comfortable playing as rookies is awfully short.

 

[manxman2601]

Similarly, I find that my mocks work out most happily when I take an OT like Risner at #32. Plenty of receiving talent can be had later on, but the list of swing tackles I'd be comfortable playing as rookies is awfully short.

Me too. I ran a few simulations this morning and things always went better going OT first. They could go AJ Brown first and then trade up for an OT from 56 but then you’d need to be comfortable with Sternberger, Knox, Oliver or Warring.

 

[captain stone]

Similarly, I find that my mocks work out most happily when I take an OT like Risner at #32...

What would prevent me from taking either Risner or Mcgary with my very first pick is that both of them have zero college experience at LT. Mcgary's 32-7/8" arms is another deal-breaker at 32.
Perhaps one or both has LT traits (they did perform well enough at the combine for the position),
but for me that is not the place in the draft for changing somebody's scenery and hoping it works.
56 is the very earliest I'd take either of them.

 

[manxman2601]

What would prevent me from taking either Risner or Mcgary with my very first pick is that both of them have zero college experience at LT. Mcgary's 32-7/8" arms is another deal-breaker at 32.
Perhaps one or both has LT traits (they did perform well enough at the combine for the position),
but for me that is not the place in the draft for changing somebody's scenery and hoping it works.
56 is the very earliest I'd take either of them.

I went with Little in my mock for that reason, but I think BB is looking for a RT. This could be Camnon’s last year.

 

[captain stone]

I went with Little in my mock for that reason, but I think BB is looking for a RT. This could be Cannon’s last year.

It might very well be, but RT-only guys can be acquired throughout the draft.

 

[patchick]

What would prevent me from taking either Risner or Mcgary with my very first pick is that both of them have zero college experience at LT. Mcgary's 32-7/8" arms is another deal-breaker at 32.
Perhaps one or both has LT traits (they did perform well enough at the combine for the position),
but for me that is not the place in the draft for changing somebody's scenery and hoping it works.
56 is the very earliest I'd take either of them.

Let me try to make the case for Risner, at least. While he hasn't played LT, that's partially a tribute to the Kansas State line--they've had NFL talent across from him all 4 years. He has the athleticism for the position, and is more advanced technician than any other OT prospects likely to fall to the Patriots. Given that they need a swing tackle they can rely on NOW and likely a starting RT for 2020, that's hugely valuable.

Looking at the combination of need, talent, and how the draft board looks in rounds 2 & 3, I think he could be a smart pick.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Similarly, I find that my mocks work out most happily when I take an OT like Risner at #32. Plenty of receiving talent can be had later on, but the list of swing tackles I'd be comfortable playing as rookies is awfully short.

I read somewhere the other day that a few teams had a 2nd-4th on him. It was some scout asking GM's or something like that.
I always prepare myself for this or try to. I tell myself, "why, does this prospect have to go ..."

Anyway I love Risner. Total package from a player/character pov.

I'm also very much behind building the OL. I want the biggest, most athletic OL possible.

 

[patchick]

I read somewhere the other day that a few teams had a 2nd-4th on him. It was some scout asking GM's or something like that.
I always prepare myself for this or try to. I tell myself, "why, does this prospect have to go ..."

Anyway I love Risner. Total package from a player/character pov.

I'm also very much behind building the OL. I want the biggest, most athletic OL possible.

Can you talk me into any other OT options, like Greg Little? I'm not entirely sold.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I’m definitely leaning OT with one of our first 3 picks. If one of Wynn/Cannon goes down we get pretty damn thin in a hurry. And if we miss out on an OT May be a good idea to reach out to Donald Penn to see if there’s interest.

 

[manxman2601]

Let me try to make the case for Risner, at least. While he hasn't played LT, that's partially a tribute to the Kansas State line--they've had NFL talent across from him all 4 years. He has the athleticism for the position, and is more advanced technician than any other OT prospects likely to fall to the Patriots. Given that they need a swing tackle they can rely on NOW and likely a starting RT for 2020, that's hugely valuable.

Looking at the combination of need, talent, and how the draft board looks in rounds 2 & 3, I think he could be a smart pick.

I think you might have to take him at 32. Just saw two mocks, one for Jags and one for Atlanta where they take Risner with their 2nd round pick. That’s the issue with the 2nd tier tackles sitting in that 30-45 range. Teams with a ta ole need picking early in the first will take a higher priority need first and aim to take the RT in the early 2nd.

 

[captain stone]

Let me try to make the case for Risner, at least. While he hasn't played LT, that's partially a tribute to the Kansas State line--they've had NFL talent across from him all 4 years. He has the athleticism for the position, and is more advanced technician than any other OT prospects likely to fall to the Patriots. Given that they need a swing tackle they can rely on NOW and likely a starting RT for 2020, that's hugely valuable.

Looking at the combination of need, talent, and how the draft board looks in rounds 2 & 3, I think he could be a smart pick.

Did a little reading, and discovered that Scott Frantz has started Every game for them at LT since his freshman season, and will enter his senior season as a likely consensus All-Big 12 first-teamer. Makes some sense then that Risner was kept at RT after starting his entire redshirt freshman season at Center.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Can you talk me into any other OT options, like Greg Little? I'm not entirely sold.

Yea neither am I. And I think its for good reason. Love the ceiling & package but hes so inconsistent where it matters imo. Hands & feet are hit/miss. Has to get stronger, isn't the beast he should be at that size/w those arms.

Bobby Evans is a nasty dude & + run blocker. I like him more than most it seems, even in pass pro which needs a ton of work. His hands are a + though. + core/overall strength. Experience at both T spots. Nasty attitude. Good against power rusher for the most part.

Fred Johnson is a real sleeper. Enormous dude like Brown w 34+ arms. Literally a huge project. Played G & would need a transition but again hes a 6th-7th-pudfa. Love the say he moves at times though. His steps & angles look right, efficient. Quick on his first step, quick using his arms to keep rushers away from him.

Tytus Howard is another mid-late-udfa option.

 

[jboston19]

Yea neither am I. And I think its for good reason. Love the ceiling & package but hes so inconsistent where it matters imo. Hands & feet are hit/miss. Has to get stronger, isn't the beast he should be at that size/w those arms.

Bobby Evans is a nasty dude & + run blocker. I like him more than most it seems, even in pass pro which needs a ton of work. His hands are a + though. + core/overall strength. Experience at both T spots. Nasty attitude. Good against power rusher for the most part.

Fred Johnson is a real sleeper. Enormous dude like Brown w 34+ arms. Literally a huge project. Played G & would need a transition but again hes a 6th-7th-pudfa. Love the say he moves at times though. His steps & angles look right, efficient. Quick on his first step, quick using his arms to keep rushers away from him.

Tytus Howard is another mid-late-udfa option.

Do you think Scar would be able to work his magic with Donnel Green out of Minnesota? A massive human like the one we just lost with Trent Brown. Lots of power there...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Do you think Scar would be able to work his magic with Donnel Green out of Minnesota? A massive human like the one we just lost with Trent Brown. Lots of power there...

Good one! Never put it past Scar, Id put him in the Fred Johnson tier. Take a chance late or (priority)udfa. Wonder how healthy he is rn?

Like you said enormous dude. Like Evans has trouble in pass pro. Has to get aggressive w his hands & start striking early & w force. Definitely an intriguing guy.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

BTW, on Moving the Chains, one of the hosts made the case that BC WR Michael Walker resembles Chris Hogan,* and that he could "see the Patriots taking him" late, in part because he could fill the KR position left vacant by Patterson's departure.

*In many respects, though thankfully not the one that Hogan shared with Reche Caldwell.

 

[State]

In 2017 he was ranked as one of the nation’s best pass blockers, but a dislocated left elbow suffered against Northwestern made the 2018 campaign a washout for OG _David Beedle_ of Michigan State.

He also suffered by poor coaching. (Former Ohio State and BC o-line coach Jim Bollman is replacing this disastrous o-line guy.)

Playing in the NFL has been Beedle’s dream since the fifth grade, he writes in this diary entry about his Combine snub:
David Beedle draft diary: Michigan State OL motivated by Combine snub

 

[State]

Here Beedle is, #59 at LG, against Penn State in Nov 2017.
On pass plays you can see he is a wall. Whoever he’s on doesn’t get near the QB.
With his limited athleticism he does an okay job getting to the second level on run plays.

Then numbnutz now former o-line coach Mark Staten puts in #70 to replace #59. And it becomes a jailbreak. This coach liked to do this. (Last season like a week or two before the season he decides to put this #70 as center, a new position for him. You should have seen how he was blown up by Renell Wren of Arizona State, a great prospect for us in the fifth or sixth round. )

 

[State]

Syracuse WR Jamal Custis. Big, long arms, great in the red zone esp with his over-the-shoulder receptions.
2019 Draft Prospects: Jamal Custis, WR, Syracuse
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[State]

Saquan Hampton. 6’ 1”, 4.48/40.

Looks the part. Very intelligent.

A safety from Rutgers. ‘Nuff said.