Duke QB a target for Pats at #32?

[Keyser Söze]

I hope there is a QB there at #32. Then we trade back and pick up an extra 2nd.

 

[SBLIII]

Not likely, no.

 

[scott99]

This isn't grocery shopping. If BB sees someone in this draft that he thinks he can work with I'm not gonna lose any sleep about the greener grass on the other hill.

The key is a QB who can learn to operate in the system, minimize mistakes, and that can give the OC enough tools to work with to construct a potent offense. I don't care who that QB is as long as he ticks those boxes, is there a guy who could be a little better, of course, there always is, but we thought that about Brady for years too. As long as BB gets a guy who can operate the offense at a competent level, I won't care if there are "better" QBs out there. It'll be like a return to 01-06

Agreed, I saw a video about Etling, and Etling was the only QB in last year's draft that seemed to meet their criterias. Which is weird. But supposedly he's really smart, loves football (not shocking), and several other things they liked.

Of course, it could've been a case they missed out on other QBs that fit their criteria as well.

As far as Jones. Things to like, VERY smart, great mechanics, was coached by a man who coached both Mannings in college (some may say that's a negative), played well in his last bowl game and the Senior Bowl. Is able to run when needed. Very coachable. Quick release.

Things not to like, very mediocre stats, not the most strong armed or accurate. Sometimes holds onto the ball too long causing sacks.

I saw his Bowl Game this year, and it was extremely impressive, I think he threw for 5 TDs and ran for another, AFTER injuring his ankle. Did throw a dumb INT though, but his team won handily after being down early. Also liked what I saw in the Senior Bowl out of him.

 

[catent]

If we "reach" for a pick, and it works, then it wasn't a reach.

"reaching" relative to draft position only matters when it doesn't result in a competent NFL contributor, and in that case, a bust is a bust no matter when he was drafted

Sweating this whole draft science thing is really not worth my time and energy and I won't pretend to be competent on the subject. I file that whole mess under "details" and sweating the details is BB the GM's job, not mine.

The issue with "reaching" for a pick, in my opinion, is that you prevent yourself the ability to get both the player you're picking and potentially another good player. Had you used a later draft pick on the guy you're initially "reaching" for, you could've taken a different player with the higher draft pick. That's assuming that the guy you're "reaching" for would still be there later in the draft, which obviously is a risk. That's the element of strategy.

 

[Simpelton]

I get this, and it makes sense, but after 18+ years with the GOAT do you think ‘competent’ is all we should be after? Why can’t we aim for a polished ‘NFL ready’ first round QB to take over?

Why would we get an "NFL Ready" clipboard holder?

Right now Danny Etling could easily do the actual job of backing up for us. Why waste the first few years of a guy's career when the guy is ready out of the box? That's inefficient and doesn't meet the needs of either the team or the player.

Let's worry about replacing the GOAT when the GOAT needs to be replaced. We really don't want to outsmart ourselves on this one because we have no idea when Brady will actually be done. In the meantime what we need is someone who can plug the gap for a few years if necessary. That guy doesn't have to be a genius, he just has to be good enough to win football games.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I hope there is a QB there at #32. Then we trade back and pick up an extra 2nd.

I’d like something similar, except targeting a 1st round pick next year so we can get a shot at that QB class. We’d be looking for a team that 1) thinks it’s a QB away from winning, but 2) isn’t in good position to trade up because it fancies itself a playoff contender based on its 2018 performance (just a QB away!), 3) in reality is more likely to crash and burn than make the playoffs next year. I’m liking the Washington Redskins here, with Alex Smith out for the season most likely. Let’s say the Kirk Cousins comp pick (#96) and their 2020 first rounder and call it a day.....

 

[Ivan]

I think they will go DL or TE in the first round. And I’d expect them to double dip at WR after that.

 

[Flash]

On the topic of picking a QB in the first round, I'm sold on this guy if he falls.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

On the topic of picking a QB in the first round, I'm sold on this guy if he falls.

No way he drops.
He's not getting past Miami.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Why waste a 1st round pick on a QB? Your current QB has taken you to eight straight AFC Championship games and three straight Superbowls. He says he is playing at least another couple of years. So why not surround him some more talent and keep on winning. The Pats gave him Michel last year, and I think Michel was hurt most of the year and that next year, you are going to see the real Sony Michel.

If Gronk retires (and I hope he doesn't), and even if he comes back, this is a great TE draft. I think the Pats should double dip at both TE and WR, both positions are very deep.

I'm with Kezor Soze, hopefully there is a QB left on the board at 32, that some team wants and is willing to trade for. Last year the Ravens gave up picks #52, #125 and a 2019 2nd round pick for picks #32 and #132. If I'm the Pats I try and hold out for a 2020 1st round pick (then maybe you have the draft capital to find Brady's replacement). Plus the 2020 QB class is much better than the 2019 class.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Not a

Why waste a 1st round pick on a QB? Your current QB has taken you to eight straight AFC Championship games and three straight Superbowls. He says he is playing at least another couple of years. So why not surround him some more talent and keep on winning. The Pats gave him Michel last year, and I think Michel was hurt most of the year and that next year, you are going to see the real Sony Michel.

If Gronk retires (and I hope he doesn't), and even if he comes back, this is a great TE draft. I think the Pats should double dip at both TE and WR, both positions are very deep.

I'm with Kezor Soze, hopefully there is a QB left on the board at 32, that some team wants and is willing to trade for. Last year the Ravens gave up picks #52, #125 and a 2019 2nd round pick for picks #32 and #132. If I'm the Pats I try and hold out for a 2020 1st round pick (then maybe you have the draft capital to find Brady's replacement). Plus the 2020 QB class is much better than the 2019 class.

What if Lock falls?

 

[Digit]

What if Lock falls?

Probably Elway would trade next year's 1st rounder and a second rounder to move up to get him.

Hopefully to us.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Not a

What if Lock falls?

I wouldn't take Lock in the second round. Let alone the first. I watch a lot of SEC football and I don't think he is going to be anything.

Jacob Fromm from Georgia will be coming out in 2020, ditto for the guy he beat out, Jacob Eason (Washington), Trevor Lawrence in 2021, those are guys that its worth sucking for! I just don't think any of the small running QBs will ever make it in the NFL. Sure they do well for a season, and then the league catches up to their scheme and their bodies begin to break down. That's why I want no part of Murray, he is 5'8" 200lbs, or in NFL terms, one good Suh sack away from a hospital bed!

 

[sb1]

#TankForTrevor

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Do you take a flier on a mid round QB?
Or not bother?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Do you take a flier on a mid round QB?
Or not bother?

It depends on what the Pats think of Hoyer. If he is staying, they can hope to carry Etling for another year on the practice squad, otherwise, whoever you pick is going to be on someone else roster come the beginning of the season. If you think you can draft someone who is better than Hoyer (not a tall task I admit) but polished enough that you feel comfortable handing him the back up job, then sure go ahead and use one of the third round picks on him. But still, I think the Pats would be better served keeping Hoyer, and drafting more talent for Brady with those picks.

The Pats got extremely lucky this year on the injury front, usually they lose at least one key player to injury a season. That did not happen this year, but I don't think you can count on that happening again, so depth is important, when you are looking to win championships.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

It depends on what the Pats think of Hoyer. If he is staying, they can hope to carry Etling for another year on the practice squad, otherwise, whoever you pick is going to be on someone else roster come the beginning of the season. If you think you can draft someone who is better than Hoyer (not a tall task I admit) but polished enough that you feel comfortable handing him the back up job, then sure go ahead and use one of the third round picks on him. But still, I think the Pats would be better served keeping Hoyer, and drafting more talent for Brady with those picks.

The Pats got extremely lucky this year on the injury front, usually they lose at least one key player to injury a season. That did not happen this year, but I don't think you can count on that happening again, so depth is important, when you are looking to win championships.

Other than Wynn.
Thank god for Trent Brown
Oh and Bentley which looks like a steal.
But yes I agree virtually unscathed.

 

[PatsFan2]

QB is a crap shoot for every Jimmy G there is like five Kevin O'Connell's.

 

[TomPatriot]

NFL Media draft expert Daniel Jeremiah: QB Daniel Jones 'would make a lot of sense' for Patriots at No. 32

Interesting, even if it's a "fake buzz." LOL

One downside: he won't be able to handle the inevitable comparisons...

...he's not as pretty as Jimmy.

If the Pats draft him, I hope he's not as injury prone.

 

[patchick]

QB is a crap shoot for every Jimmy G there is like five Kevin O'Connell's.

Most positions are a crapshoot, but IMO the Patriots have received exceptional value from their QB picks over time.

In the 18-year Brady era, the Patriots have drafted 9 QBS, 4 of those coming in round 7 and the highest pick used being #62.

In return, they've not only received years of backup play and 19 games started by those players with a 12-7 record, but also traded two of the QBs for draft picks #43 and #34 -- picks which come close to recouping the entire value of the draft capital they spent.