When available and healthy, Gordon >>>>>> Cooks

[supafly]

Has a WR picked up our offense and gained Bradys trust as quick as Gordon has. That should tell us something right there

Cooks had a whole offseason, but he produced right from the gate. Granted, he improved over the course of the first few games, but as far as receivers go, he seemed to get on the same page pretty quickly. Brandon Llyod was somewhat unremarkable, but he is another receiver who seemed to hit the ground running and progress fairly quickly

Jabar Gaffney is the most obvious choice for an in-season acquisition though, and even then, it took him about 10 games until he hit the postseason, where he really began to produce. After a decent first two playoff games he pretty much fell off. Cassel used him a bit in ‘08 near the end of the season but that was it.

 

[captain stone]

I still have no idea what he was doing in the superbowl when he got knocked out,
but it was a big loss for the team and hurt their chances.

It was Not a "big loss." Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[captain stone]

Jabar Gaffney is the most obvious choice for an in-season acquisition though, and even then, it took him about 10 games until he hit the postseason, where he really began to produce. After a decent first two playoff games he pretty much fell off. Cassel used him a bit in ‘08 near the end of the season but that was it.

Bill still should've re-signed him following that 2008 season instead of gifting him to McD in Denver.

 

[Mack Herron]

JG break down

 

[sean10mm]

That's a great breakdown. There were a few "growing pains" type missed plays for sure, but man, 14 different routes in 1 game is something else for a guy who just got here.

 

[maineman209]

That's a great breakdown. There were a few "growing pains" type missed plays for sure, but man, 14 different routes in 1 game is something else for a guy who just got here.

For me, that's one of two significant differences between Gordon and Cooks. I'm not sure that Cooks ran 14 different routes over the course of last season, much less in one game. The second difference I see is that Gordon is a better blocker - NOT due to his size, but due to his awareness, willingness and his understanding of leverage.

I think that Dorsett will end up being more valuable to the Pats in the long run for both those reasons.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

While we’re on the topic of WRs, why on earth is Hogan getting deep red zone (roughly ten yard line and in) snaps over Dorsett? Getting really quick separation on short routes is the one thing Dorsett is really good at and Hogan sucks at. I would understand if it was because Hogan is bigger and more likely to win a contested pass, but that isn’t even an option for Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

For me, that's one of two significant differences between Gordon and Cooks. I'm not sure that Cooks ran 14 different routes over the course of last season, much less in one game. The second difference I see is that Gordon is a better blocker - NOT due to his size, but due to his awareness, willingness and his understanding of leverage.

I think that Dorsett will end up being more valuable to the Pats in the long run for both those reasons.

Did you mean to say Gordon in the last sentence?

 

[scott99]

2013 Gordon is better than Cooks. It's tough to say a healthy 2018 Gordon is better than Cooks. Cooks is on pace for his 4th straight 1,000 yard season. Probably the most underrated WR in football. 2013 Gordon was better as far as YAC, but he only did it for ONE season. Let's wait before we proclaim him better.

 

[Snooky97]

He seems real uncomfortable in the press conference. Hope he can find a little peace through Pats and Brady.

Did he do many through the browns? I'm with you, i just like to see him happy and get himself in a good place!

 

[carmelo15]

2013 Gordon is better than Cooks. It's tough to say a healthy 2018 Gordon is better than Cooks. Cooks is on pace for his 4th straight 1,000 yard season. Probably the most underrated WR in football. 2013 Gordon was better as far as YAC, but he only did it for ONE season. Let's wait before we proclaim him better.

He’s played with Brady and Brees now I’m the best offense in the league I’d hope he had 4 straight 1,0000 yd seasons

 

[maineman209]

2013 Gordon is better than Cooks. It's tough to say a healthy 2018 Gordon is better than Cooks. Cooks is on pace for his 4th straight 1,000 yard season. Probably the most underrated WR in football. 2013 Gordon was better as far as YAC, but he only did it for ONE season. Let's wait before we proclaim him better.

Doesn't really matter to me which one is "better" (if there's an objective standard for that). What matter to me is which one is more useful in the Pats offense.

 

[maineman209]

While we’re on the topic of WRs, why on earth is Hogan getting deep red zone (roughly ten yard line and in) snaps over Dorsett? Getting really quick separation on short routes is the one thing Dorsett is really good at and Hogan sucks at. I would understand if it was because Hogan is bigger and more likely to win a contested pass, but that isn’t even an option for Brady.

Hogan is taller. And it seems to me that he's generally been more consistent at beating the jam off the LoS.

 

[neuronet]

Has a WR picked up our offense and gained Bradys trust as quick as Gordon has. That should tell us something right there

Moss, but that is almost an unfair comparison.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Moss, but that is almost an unfair comparison.

I don’t know. Moss had an entire offseason, and let’s be honest...he may have had a high football IQ like Belichick alluded to, but how many routes did he really run or even need to run? They rarely needed to out-think the defense with Moss.

 

[mgcolby]

2013 Gordon is better than Cooks. It's tough to say a healthy 2018 Gordon is better than Cooks. Cooks is on pace for his 4th straight 1,000 yard season. Probably the most underrated WR in football. 2013 Gordon was better as far as YAC, but he only did it for ONE season. Let's wait before we proclaim him better.

I would disagree and point out why. Brees, Brady & Goff / Saints, Pats & Rams offenses loaded with a plethora of weapons vs Jason Cambell & Brandon Weeden a Browns offense where he was the only weapon.

Its not a question of talent or being better, Gordon is head and shoulders more talented and a better receiver. It is a question of whether or not he can slay his demons and stay on the field.

 

[Nehalem]

2013 Gordon is better than Cooks. It's tough to say a healthy 2018 Gordon is better than Cooks. Cooks is on pace for his 4th straight 1,000 yard season. Probably the most underrated WR in football. 2013 Gordon was better as far as YAC, but he only did it for ONE season. Let's wait before we proclaim him better.

With his 3rd straight team. Has there ever been a WR who has 1000 yards receiving for 3 different teams in consecutive years?

 

[luuked]

Its not even worth a debate. Cooks is the better wr when all things are considered. If Gordon can play to his potential for the next 5 years..then we have something to talk about.

Gordon just needs to play to his potential this season, there is no need to wait another 5 years. The goal is not to compile stats but to have an impact. And Gordon's impact is much broader than Cooks because of how much more of a diverse and complete player he is.

Cooks is great at what he does to affect coverage but once the game goes into the redzone and closer to the endzone his value diminishes with every yard.

 

[maineman209]

With his 3rd straight team. Has there ever been a WR who has 1000 yards receiving for 3 different teams in consecutive years?

Great question. I'm guessing that the answer is "no", and I'm also guessing that the media will pick up on the possibility soon and make a big deal about it.

Fun factoids:

Frank Gore has 12 consecutive seasons of 1200+ yards from scrimmage (rushing + receiving), and 12 consecutive seasons of 200+ carries. He's also scored at least 3 TDs in 13 consecutive seasons. He's also missed only 10 games in 13 seasons.

All of that spans his time in SFO (20015-2014) and Indy (2015-2017).

His run may end this season with the Fins, though. He's on pace for "only" 949 yards from scrimmage and 165 carries. OTOH, he put up 101 yards on 15 carries against the Bears vaunted run defense last week, and he scored the Fins' only TD against the Pats in week-4 (5-yd reception). So, there's at least a chance that the Fins could wake up and start using him more.

BTW - When I mentioned back in March that I thought he'd be a good FA signing for the Pats, I got laughed out of the club because "he's old and slow". Imagine him mentoring Sony Michel, though.

 

[Bruins29]

Its not a question of talent or being better, Gordon is head and shoulders more talented and a better receiver. It is a question of whether or not he can slay his demons and stay on the field.

Gordon more talented than Cooks? perhaps. More versatile for sure.
Gordon a better receiver? They have different styles and if you factor reliability and route running that jury is still out. He certainly showed he can be an elite guy in the past.
Gordon "head and shoulders" more talented and better? Again, in the past it looked like it but Cooks has produced consistently every single year. Its been 5 years since Gordon has done anything. I would not say at this point "head and shoulders"

The claims you are making are based on assumptions based on data from 5 years ago. JG has all the tools and is in a great system that he could be a great part of but right now I cant make the claims you are making.

Plus, as you stated, Gordon was the only weapon the Browns had so they just went to him over and over. Sure... you are going to get a lot of yards when that happens but it didnnt help the team win.