We’re onto Miami

[Kontradiction]

Write all you want, the reality is that Brady had now two games in a row where he missed some open receivers. He had them and missed.

And thats fine, those things happen nobody is perfect. But there is also no need to claim that no one is getting open when tape clearly shows open players which could have easily extended some of the drives.

Yeah, I wouldn't have much of a response to that post either. Want to know what the tape really showed? Brady with 4 seconds in the pocket and looking at this...

...Brady having to take an intentional grounding penalty because nobody was open, Brady with a full 8 seconds in the pocket and having to take a sack because nobody was open. We can keep going and go back to Jacksonville and Houston where Gronk got an inordinate amount of targets because he was literally the only one open. But yeah, Brady missed a few throws. He does that every game (unless you can point to a contest where he completed 100% of his passes and I know of no such contest).

Again, let's get you on record: when Edelman comes back, how many times do you think Brady is going to overthrow or underthrow him? Do you think it's going to be similar to the amount of times he missed Patterson or Dorsett? Why or why not?

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't really see the field last year- definitely not anywhere as much as he is seeing it now and he's made tremendous progress. This is not an easy offense to fit in, but he is progressing very well for someone in their 2nd year.

Lest we forget, Edelman in his first three years, had exactly one receiving touchdown.

Edelman had 2 receiving tds in the playoffs in his rookie year.

 

[Ring 6]

Dorsett and Patterson blow. Dorsett has now been here for over a season and I have yet to see any substantial progress in the games. I've heard that he has made strides but where are they?

Has he had any more than one game here where caught more than one or two balls? Even the guys who have been (rightfully) **** on over the years (Caldwell and Dobson) were able to make plays and have good games. And Philip Dorsett has not been even a 1/4th as effective of those guys were at times.

Yet we still have people telling us that PD is coming along great. Maybe he'll get better once defenses stop paying attention to him but yes he is a #4 at best.

Well he had 12 catches in the first 2 games so that’s a step forward but he took a big step back in game 3.

 

[borg]

Phill S Dorsett isn't even a #3/4; he's a #5/6...at best. Utterly useless crap. And don't even bother throwing him the ball if any DB is near him, because that's an incompletion waiting to happen. I can't remember the last time (besides the Lost Little Cookie, of course) I've seen a WR so completely, shamefully, gutlessly Non-competitive in a contested catch situation. Brandon Lloyd maybe?

The "incompletion waiting to happen" has caught 86% of balls when targeted in 2018 ......just saying.
Don't blame Dorsett for currently being NE's #2 WR. That blame falls squarely on the shoulders of GM BB, the NE Pro Talent evaluators, and Julian Edelman.
Dorsett was an emergency short term solution via trade last year and one of only two competent NFL WRs to break camp with NE this year.

 

[Ring 6]

Patterson and Dorsett are jokes as starting WRs in the NFL - lets face it even deep down inside the homiest of homers know that both these guys are 4th or even 5th depth WRs on most teams in the NFL - I found it absolutely nuts that WR has come down to this as Brady's career fades - Hopefully Edelman will not have lost a step and Gordon will play like his talents show on the rare times hes on the right side of the law to improve what this team currently puts on a football field on offense and save a laughable WR corps from further destruction.

Since they will be 4th and 5th on our depth chart by this time next week I’m not understanding your point.
If any other team was missing their wr1 and wr2 would their WR3,4,5 be playing as wr1,2,3?
Would they be “laughable”?

 

[luuked]

when Edelman comes back, how many times do you think Brady is going to overthrow or underthrow him? Do you think it's going to be similar to the amount of times he missed Patterson or Dorsett? Why or why not?

Doesn’t matter because it doesn’t retroactively salvaged the drives he ****ed up with inaccurate passes or absolve any of the bad decisions.

Or in other words I could not care less. Even if he goes 6000 yards and throws 80 TDs he will still share the same blame as everyone for how the last two games went.

Except how decisively average he started this season will matter less in the overall view of the year.

 

[Uptown]

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[Chasing greatness]

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[Chasing greatness]

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[Kontradiction]

Doesn’t matter because it doesn’t retroactively salvaged the drives he ****ed up with inaccurate passes or absolve any of the bad decisions.

Or in other words I could not care less. Even if he goes 6000 yards and throws 80 TDs he will still share the same blame as everyone for how the last two games went.

Except how decisively average he started this season will matter less in the overall view of the year.

So no, then. We won’t see those same overthrows/underthrows between be and Edelman. The *only* reason for that is because Edelman will be where Brady needs him to be. Good to see you working off of some extreme confirmation bias here, though. You saw what you saw, decided to pin the blame on Brady, and actively sought confirmation of what you saw. You might want to start at the beginning from now on and then work on the “why” from there.

 

[luuked]

So no, then. We won’t see those same overthrows/underthrows between be and Edelman. The *only* reason for that is because Edelman will be where Brady needs him to be. Good to see you working off of some extreme confirmation bias here, though. You saw what you saw, decided to pin the blame on Brady, and actively sought confirmation of what you saw. You might want to start at the beginning from now on and then work on the “why” from there.

Him being on the same page with one player will not retroactively fix him missing straight forward throws to others.

But go on clowning.

 

[Sicilian]

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I'm always skeptical of pressure numbers. I just feel like the idea of "pressure" is too subjective for a stat. For example, when rushers get near Brady, and he calmly steps up in the pocket to avoid it before completing a 20 yard pass to Gronk, that's "pressure", but it didn't have any real chance of getting to Brady, and it clearly didn't impact the play.

Maybe their systems is more robust, but it's ESPN, so I highly doubt it.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Since they will be 4th and 5th on our depth chart by this time next week I’m not understanding your point.
If any other team was missing their wr1 and wr2 would their WR3,4,5 be playing as wr1,2,3?
Would they be “laughable”?

Your homerism sometimes is so much on high that you sound like a complete idiot - no one knew Gordon was joining this team back in September and Edelman was already known to miss the first 4 games but yet this is what the team had to start the season with - there was 3 receivers to start with and all 3 of them are 4th depth scrubs who will actually make a play but only on an inconsistent basis - Gordon is not even close to guaranteeing the team that he will even play well let alone be another Randy Moss....when you have to rely on a 32 year old slot receiver coming off a long recovery and a troubled receiver who has been more out of football then in it and because of lack of quality depth,defenses are set on double teaming and shutting down the best TE in football because they know thats really all the G.O.A.T. has at 41 years old then you really have much to need to hope for. Am I saying this team is not able to improve?,hell no but for some deep down gut reason,I think this time its going to be a bigger task than normal as some teams in the AFC are looking pretty darn good right now and there are quite a few holes to fill.

 

[Bruins29]

all 3 of them are 4th depth scrubs who will actually make a play but only on an inconsistent basis

So Chris Hogan, who was on pace for almost 900 yards last year and was NFL leader in YPR the year before is now a "4th depth scrub?"

 

[Kontradiction]

Him being on the same page with one player will not retroactively fix him missing straight forward throws to others.

If they're not where he expects him to be, those throws are not straight forward. You've already essentially conceded this when:

1. You can't even bring yourself to admit that the WR group he's throwing to is anything good.

2. You don't think he's going to have the same types of issues when Edelman gets back.

3. You've said you expect Brady to improve which means that you don't think he's declined/totally lost it. This rules out him missing these WRs even though he's trying to hit him. So, unless you want to try to make an argument that he's intentionally not throwing the ball to them even though they're open (which I'll be more than happy to entertain as that should be some quick work and will make for great quotes to bring up later in the season), I think you're aware of where the problem really is. Instead of digging your heels in, do a bit more research and apply some logic to the topic.

But go on clowning.

From a critical thinking standpoint, comments like this are usually when I can tell that I've delivered an ass whipping and my opponent doesn't have much left. They read like a white flag waving over a pile of rubble. You can go ahead and bow out if you wish.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So Chris Hogan, who was on pace for almost 900 yards last year and was NFL leader in YPR the year before is now a "4th depth scrub?"

year,he isn't what he was,the team has changed heavily on offensive personnel and so has he - there is no more Amendola and Cooks to take pressure off and he simply gets zero separation this year if you're watching the games - if i had a dollar every time I saw a player have a great season then drop the next...I'd be a millionaire

 

[Bruins29]

year,he isn't what he was,the team has changed heavily on offensive personnel and so has he - there is no more Amendola and Cooks to take pressure off and he simply gets zero separation this year if you're watching the games - if i had a dollar every time I saw a player have a great season then drop the next...i'd be a millionaire

That's not really what is going on but its ok.

 

[luuked]

If they're not where he expects him to be, those throws are not straight forward.

I stopped reading after this sentence. They are open and the balls are over thrown, under thrown or just behind.

We are not talking somebody running the wrong route. They were in the zones where they should have been. Everything else is just a lie based on tape.

So yeah keep clowning.

 

[Kontradiction]

I stopped reading after this sentence. They are open and the balls are over thrown, under thrown or just behind.

To which I ask you how many of those you think will happen with Edelman when he comes back and you pretty clearly answered none and then tried to deflect. This indicates they just simply aren't where Brady needs them to be which is a quick way to lose trust with a QB that is turnover averse. You also don't seem to think that Brady is declining which is evident given that you think he'll "improve" when Edelman gets back.

We are not talking somebody running the wrong route. They were in the zones where they should have been. Everything else is just a lie based on tape.

I don't think they're running the wrong routes when I look at the film. I think just think they're running sloppy routes or routes that are breaking elsewhere from where Brady expects them (example being Dorsett who clearly ran the right route but broke too shallow).

So yeah keep clowning.

Must hurt getting pasted up and down a thread by someone you deem a clown, eh? Confirmation bias, critical thinking, and logic. Look them all up. Hell, take a critical thinking class while you're at it. Start from the beginning of something and explore why it happened. Don't make up your mind from the get-go about why something happened and then work backwards to support that conclusion. Move on to something else and let other people handle this now. Maineman is doing a much better job.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

That's not really what is going on but its ok.

One example might be Dez Bryant -just a few years ago he was a feared WR and probably top 5 in the NFL - a few years later and fully healthy he can't even get a job and he's only 29 - not comparing the 2 but it happens