The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick

[Big Bucks]

I’m an addict (Which may explain things to some of you). I’ve been in recovery for over 20 years. Any sip of booze, puff of weed, pain pill other than prescribed will likely kill me. Getting clean is hard, but I worked my ass off for it. Getting clean each subsequent time I relapsed was exponentially more difficult.

I have talent in my chosen field of employment. It wasn’t until I was no longer employable that I finally stopped for good. This isn’t everyone’s story. Many people quit before it gets to the level of dereliction. I hope Gordon is that guy, but odds are against him.

I’m hoping he somehow gets it and my team benefits. Moreso, as a fellow sufferer, I hope he loses the obsession to use and finds peace. Our record at year end pales to the insanity of addiction.

A great post. I'm really hoping over the coming days that a narrative change which the Patriots and the Krafts could drive is that those players that are in deep, do not see the light at the end of the tunnel and turn to drugs and alcohol do indeed get the help and protection to stay in the league instead of recent times seeing these players as cheats, fcukwits or worse. Its proven society will not heal these men, its they themselves with proper help around them that do help them heal. Chucking them to the street is the last thing these people need. Lets put an arm round there shoulder and push them to a better path, if that means they still relapse, we don't suspend them, we try harder to help them instead.

 

[Joker]

I’m an addict (Which may explain things to some of you). I’ve been in recovery for over 20 years. Any sip of booze, puff of weed, pain pill other than prescribed will likely kill me. Getting clean is hard, but I worked my ass off for it. Getting clean each subsequent time I relapsed was exponentially more difficult.

I have talent in my chosen field of employment. It wasn’t until I was no longer employable that I finally stopped for good. This isn’t everyone’s story. Many people quit before it gets to the level of dereliction. I hope Gordon is that guy, but odds are against him.

I’m hoping he somehow gets it and my team benefits. Moreso, as a fellow sufferer, I hope he loses the obsession to use and finds peace. Our record at year end pales to the insanity of addiction.

Hey Dragda...you got some balls admitting this here.FWIW you can always count on me to have your back.

 

[jah]

On the scale of gateway drugs, Alcohol is an 8 and THC is maybe a 3 or 4. Focus on the booze.

THC is a gateway to good music, a bag of Funyuns and a pint of Ben and Jerry’s.

As for ODing on THC, good luck. The LD50 value for it is something like a gram per kg of body weight.

So a 225 lb guy (102kg) would have to consume 102g of pure THC. That’s 3.6oz (not weed oz, pure THC oz).

Now the pharmas? Ya he could OD. But so could any other guy in the NFL popping pain meds. It’s why big pharma hates THC and CBD so much. Mother Nature beat em.

I suppose the testimonials of older people and athletes speak for themselves, but I gotta say that in my experience, THC does nothing for physical pain. I have kidney stones and cysts that put me in agonizing pain sometimes. I smoke weed pretty much constantly, and yet the difference between me not being able to leave my bed and me having a productive day at (desk) work is 4 ibuprofen.

Now imagine the kind of pain NFL players face day to day. I imagine ibuprofen won't cut it. How can weed? I imagine Big Pharma would do just fine still if weed were legalized (and not only because they'd take over that industry). I imagine there's just some pain that only the addictive **** can mitigate, and that NFL players experience it a lot.

Wait, this is a thread about Josh Gordon, not the efficacy of THC as a pain reliever.

 

[Joker]

Gateway drug? yeah...the real gateway drug is AIR. Don't try to go without it.

the rest of these equivocations are just passive aggressive demonstrations of one's societal precepts. Many (most)people have addictive predilections of some sort. It's being addicted to positive stimuli that keeps one from all the negative stimuli in our culture..i.e. alcohol, cigarettes, legal and illegal drugs. Life feels best when endorphins are released. Sounds corny but put down the Bud Light and go for a hike or a run or exercise that raises the blood pressure, your body will like you for it and your brain will eventually start to crave it too.

 

[Joker]

I suppose the testimonials of older people and athletes speak for themselves, but I gotta say that in my experience, THC does nothing for physical pain. I have kidney stones and cysts that put me in agonizing pain sometimes. I smoke weed pretty much constantly, and yet the difference between me not being able to leave my bed and me having a productive day at (desk) work is 4 ibuprofen.

Now imagine the kind of pain NFL players face day to day. I imagine ibuprofen won't cut it. How can weed? I imagine Big Pharma would do just fine still if weed were legalized (and not only because they'd take over that industry). I imagine there's just some pain that only the addictive **** can mitigate, and that NFL players experience it a lot.

Wait, this is a thread about Josh Gordon, not the efficacy of THC as a pain reliever.

Try CBD's specifically crafted for your ailment. I'll see if I can get some recommendations for you.

 

[Drewski]

I suppose the testimonials of older people and athletes speak for themselves, but I gotta say that in my experience, THC does nothing for physical pain. I have kidney stones and cysts that put me in agonizing pain sometimes. I smoke weed pretty much constantly, and yet the difference between me not being able to leave my bed and me having a productive day at (desk) work is 4 ibuprofen.

Now imagine the kind of pain NFL players face day to day. I imagine ibuprofen won't cut it. How can weed? I imagine Big Pharma would do just fine still if weed were legalized (and not only because they'd take over that industry). I imagine there's just some pain that only the addictive **** can mitigate, and that NFL players experience it a lot.

Wait, this is a thread about Josh Gordon, not the efficacy of THC as a pain reliever.

Gordon's addiction is about him. How is it not?

An other worldly talent who has been whittled away to a fraction of what he could have been.... by it.

He's what 27 and people are asking if he has anything physically?

I will refrain from discussion the efficacy of THC from this thread but the discussion of his addiction is germane to a discussion of him.

This isn't just and Xs and Os story.

 

[doesntmatter1]

Now I have to root for a crackhead. New low lol.

This is how I see it playing out. Brady will yell at him for doing something wrong. Gordon will get stressed out and of course has to smoke a joint to alleviate this stress. He will get suspended, but because he is now a Patriot all of his past problems will have only started now and his suspension will now be clouded in mystery. Was the failed test weed or something of the unknown Edelman variety?

We will be called cheaters, but it will only motivate us to win the superbowl. And oh yeah we will forfeit all of our draft picks for something fishy around Gordon and being repeat offenders etc lol.

 

[Ivan]

Lmao

I had no idea this happened until about 1 minute ago, and this thread is 63 pages.

 

[dafoe2016]

He’s kinda lucky he’s still in the League.

If he were an average, instead of an elite WR, he wouldn't be.

 

[Ivan]

Now I have to root for a crackhead. New low lol.

This is how I see it playing out. Brady will yell at him for doing something wrong. Gordon will get stressed out and of course has to smoke a joint to alleviate this stress. He will get suspended, but because he is now a Patriot all of his past problems will have only started now and his suspension will now be clouded in mystery. Was the failed test weed or something of the unknown Edelman variety?

We will be called cheaters, but it will only motivate us to win the superbowl. And oh yeah we will forfeit all of our draft picks for something fishy around Gordon and being repeat offenders etc lol.

How do you equate smoking pot with crack?

Gordon is as unreliable as it gets but unless I missed some news he’s never been a “ crackhead.” And if you have ever met a real crackhead you would be able to make the distinction easily.

 

[Ivan]

Try CBD's specifically crafted for your ailment. I'll see if I can get some recommendations for you.

Nicely done

 

[RobertWeathers]

Lmao

I had no idea this happened until about 1 minute ago, and this thread is 63 pages.

 

[n6249c]

Lmao

I had no idea this happened until about 1 minute ago, and this thread is 63 pages.

To be fair, the thread started before the trade happened. But still...

 

[Ivan]

He’s almost at Moss level athleticism, which is exceptional, but reliability is a huge issue, as is his ability to take coaching. The upside, however, if they can get him on track, is a good as it gets. If Coleman is still on the team, which I don’t know because I haven’t had time to check, them they now have two elite receivers athletically, but neither can gain a coach’s trust, should be really interesting to watch his this unfold.

 

[RobertWeathers]

To be fair, the thread started before the trade happened. But still...

This thread has been in process for two years.

 

[Drewski]

He’s almost at Moss level athleticism, which is exceptional, but reliability is a huge issue, as is his ability to take coaching. The upside, however, if they can get him on track, is a good as it gets. If Coleman is still on the team, which I don’t know because I haven’t had time to check, them they now have two elite receivers athletically, but neither can gain a coach’s trust, should be really interesting to watch his this unfold.

Coleman was the corresponding move I believe.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

From Danny Heifetz on theringer.com:

The trade comes less than a month after Gordon, who missed the first three weeks of training camp attending to his mental and physical health, returned to the Browns. Gordon, who has struggled with alcohol, Xanax, cocaine, marijuana, and codeine abuse in the past, was suspended from the league for multiple violations of the NFL’s substance abuse policy for more than 34 months between 2014 and his return in 2017.

As for my claim that weed can be a gateway drug: Is marijuana a gateway drug?.

Doesn't mean that all, or even most people, who use it will graduate to hard drugs. But it does make some more susceptible to doing so. This guy is a junkie. An OD is definitely on the table. How likely that is, I have no idea. But it is far more likely in his case than for most NFL players.

Well, he can be a junkie in some back lot alley or flophouse.
Or he can be a junkie as a functioning part of society.

He might as well try to figure it out, while helping us patch up this WR corp.

Maybe the Pats stringent regimen will help him?
Who knows.

I'm hopeful BB can turn him around enough to be a functioning WR on our team. Junkie or not.

The Pats need a shot in the ass of major talent.
For what's available, he is worth the low cost risk. IMO

I'm excited as hell to find out.
..and while I'm not expecting Moss type production, we need some explosive players

 

[Sciz]

How do you equate smoking pot with crack?

Gordon is as unreliable as it gets but unless I missed some news he’s never been a “ crackhead.” And if you have ever met a real crackhead you would be able to make the distinction easily.

“Crackhead” isn’t the appropriate term here, but he did admit to using cocaine on “several occasions” starting in college.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Patriots acquire Josh Gordon for a conditional 5th round pick... and then the Internet explodes!



Huge risk. But also huge upside.

The offense looked stagnant against the Jaguars.

Gordon has the talent to be an impact player on offense... but the question is can he stay in pads and fit into our system?

 

[Ivan]

“Crackhead” isn’t the appropriate term here, but he did admit to using cocaine on “several occasions” starting in college.

Who didn’t?

I understand the issues for Gordon with trust, but he should never have been banned for weed to begin with.