Game Day Thread 2018 Preseason G2: PHI @ NE

[PP2]

I gave you his quote. His words. You think the headline contradicts it. Wow.

Why would I apologize?
I’m not saying we will or won’t be more aggressive.
I’m saying your reasoning is horrific.
If we become more aggressive it won’t be because of what happened in a June OTA or the second preseason game.
It MAY be because like every preseason we worked on the blitz package and it looked real good so we think we have personnel that fit it.

Why would you apologize? Then at least. You would have made a wrong prediction. Everyone does.
I’m not talking about the prediction I’m talking about the facts that would allow us to make a prediction.

If I analyze weather reports and say it will rain tomorrow and you say my shirt is blue and abc was a new weatherman so it won’t, your logic is flawed and a discussion about the topic would center on that. If it doesn’t rain that doesn’t mean your analysis was correct, it means it’s a coincidence.

You're the one dismissing Hightower's assertion that Flores is going to call a more aggressive defense, which is downright bizzare as HT is actually on the team and in the midst of it all, surely he's smart enough to make distinctions. You call his comment a "dime a dozen" which is basically suggesting he's stupid.

This is my original post which started this entire BS:

Starting to see a distinct difference in the way this defense is deployed by Flores, as opposed to Patricia. They play a lot closer to the line.

I didn't even bother following the dizzying course this back and forth went, but apparently we went around the world a couple times with you moving the goalposts every which where except Mars and putting words like "philosophy," "scheme," etc. into my mouth.

Read that statement one more time. My position is that this is a different defense under Flores, and that he will be calling more aggressively than Patricia did, and nowhere did I imply that it had anything to do with a change in BB's bend or break philosophy. Spin it any way you want to, it doesn't change anything.

And NOW, you're starting to admit the possibility that the defense will be more aggressive, so it looks like you're starting to come around.

 

[maineman209]

You're the one dismissing Hightower's assertion that Flores is going to call a more aggressive defense, which is downright bizzare as HT is actually on the team and in the midst of it all, surely he's smart enough to make distinctions. You call his comment a "dime a dozen" which is basically suggesting he's stupid.

This is my original post which started this entire BS:



I didn't even bother following the dizzying course this back and forth went, but apparently we went around the world a couple times with you moving the goalposts every which where except Mars and putting words like "philosophy," "scheme," etc. into my mouth.

Read that statement one more time. My position is that this is a different defense under Flores, and that he will be calling more aggressively than Patricia did, and nowhere did I imply that it had anything to do with a change in BB's bend or break philosophy. Spin it any way you want to, it doesn't change anything.

And NOW, you're starting to admit the possibility that the defense will be more aggressive, so it looks like you're starting to come around.

I can't even begin to guess who you might have been arguing with.

 

[Ring 6]

You're the one dismissing Hightower's assertion that Flores is going to call a more aggressive defense, which is downright bizzare as HT is actually on the team and in the midst of it all, surely he's smart enough to make distinctions. You call his comment a "dime a dozen" which is basically suggesting he's stupid.

What? Because players often make comments about being more aggressive doing so makes them stupid? I stated a fact. You somehow think it affects intellect.
Hightower said BASED IN THE PLAY CALLS IN AN OT, not based upon any knowledge or insight.

This is my original post which started this entire BS:



I didn't even bother following the dizzying course this back and forth went, but apparently we went around the world a couple times with you moving the goalposts every which where except Mars and putting words like "philosophy," "scheme," etc. into my mouth.

Read that statement one more time. My position is that this is a different defense under Flores, and that he will be calling more aggressively than Patricia did, and nowhere did I imply that it had anything to do with a change in BB's bend or break philosophy. Spin it any way you want to, it doesn't change anything.

A) your statement is wrong
B) it was a preseason season game
C) you admit preseason defense is vanilla.
D) you can believe Flores will ignore what Belichick has taught him and wants but it’s an odd opinion.

And NOW, you're starting to admit the possibility that the defense will be more aggressive, so it looks like you're starting to come around.

I never said whether it would be more or less aggressive. Why? Because absolutely nothing has happened to indicate either way.
I am no disagreeing or agreeing with a prediction, I’m disagreeing with your argument that there is evidence to suggest it will be.
It’s really not that hard to understand.

 

[Tony2046]

Very simple.

Hightower said this:

"I definitely feel like we're going to be more aggressive"

How on Earth does this mean anything else than HT seeing us having a more aggressive defense with Flores in charge? Do you think he's mistaken and that Flores will suddenly change his tune during the regular season and play very conservatively? Seriously.

OK PP2. If you think Flores is going to be more aggressive here are some things you need to consider:

1. Although the defense looked very aggressive in the last game and Flores was calling the plays it was just a preseason game. I'll let you get away with no more than Vanillaly aggressive or aggressively vanilla. You choose.

2. What Hightower said in June is irrelevant. Now I understand that he said "aggressive" in June and they looked aggressive in the last game which was in August but you cannot take a June comment and apply it to an August game. Usually there's a 14 to 30 day comment to game cutoff rule. Get used to it.

3. There's no way in hell that Flores approached BB and said "hey let's try being more aggressive here and here". Lieutenants don't do that in the Army and employees don't do that to their bosses. It's not how the world works. We all take orders without feedback. No coach in BB's tree has ever had an idea for improvement. Keep that in mind.

4. Now this may be a little confusing but I'll do my best to make it clear. At no point should you compare two players using percentage. You can't say player A is 75% of player B. BUT you can compare a players play performance using weight, f,e... A 315 pound DT plays like he's 280 pounds which of course would be 11 % less. So use weight instead. It doesn't matter if it's the players actual weight rather the weight he is playing like.

5. Don't stop arguing until you get the personalized Bubba joke. It's not a bad joke actually so maybe it's worth it.

Ok I hope that helps.

Good luck.

 

[Dingleberry]

So, does anyone think the D will be more aggressive under Flores?

 

[Tony2046]

So, does anyone think the D will be more aggressive under Flores?

12% more.

 

[PScottman]

Maybe they meant Flores taught the cheerleaders that "be aggressive, b-e aggressive, b-e a-g-g-r-e-s-s-i-v-e cheer"?

 

[PP2]

What? Because players often make comments about being more aggressive doing so makes them stupid? I stated a fact. You somehow think it affects intellect.
Hightower said BASED IN THE PLAY CALLS IN AN OT, not based upon any knowledge or insight.


A) your statement is wrong
B) it was a preseason season game
C) you admit preseason defense is vanilla.
D) you can believe Flores will ignore what Belichick has taught him and wants but it’s an odd opinion.


I never said whether it would be more or less aggressive. Why? Because absolutely nothing has happened to indicate either way.
I am no disagreeing or agreeing with a prediction, I’m disagreeing with your argument that there is evidence to suggest it will be.
It’s really not that hard to understand.

Sorry, but at this point my eyes are rolling up in my head trying to read your gobbly-gook. Nothing you can say will induce me to change my position. I don't know if you have full-blown OCD or some other form of disfunction that requires you to respond to every little detail, with your typical andylogic (you should trademark that) to the point where you get so far away from seeing the forest for the trees.

At no point did I say that Flores would clash with BB or go against his "bend but don't break" defense, or use schemes against BB's wishes. However, he is still going to bring his style and attitude to the defense, and that defense will bear his identity. How do I know this? We've seen it in the past, with Patricia, Dean Pees, Crennel, and Saban all of who brought their own style and approach to the defense they were in charge of.

 

[PP2]

OK PP2. If you think Flores is going to be more aggressive here are some things you need to consider:

1. Although the defense looked very aggressive in the last game and Flores was calling the plays it was just a preseason game. I'll let you get away with no more than Vanillaly aggressive or aggressively vanilla. You choose.

2. What Hightower said in June is irrelevant. Now I understand that he said "aggressive" in June and they looked aggressive in the last game which was in August but you cannot take a June comment and apply it to an August game. Usually there's a 14 to 30 day comment to game cutoff rule. Get used to it.

3. There's no way in hell that Flores approached BB and said "hey let's try being more aggressive here and here". Lieutenants don't do that in the Army and employees don't do that to their bosses. It's not how the world works. We all take orders without feedback. No coach in BB's tree has ever had an idea for improvement. Keep that in mind.

4. Now this may be a little confusing but I'll do my best to make it clear. At no point should you compare two players using percentage. You can't say player A is 75% of player B. BUT you can compare a players play performance using weight, f,e... A 315 pound DT plays like he's 280 pounds which of course would be 11 % less. So use weight instead. It doesn't matter if it's the players actual weight rather the weight he is playing like.

5. Don't stop arguing until you get the personalized Bubba joke. It's not a bad joke actually so maybe it's worth it.

Ok I hope that helps.

Good luck.

Well done. Well done. Got a laugh out of it.

 

[jah]

OK PP2. If you think Flores is going to be more aggressive here are some things you need to consider:

1. Although the defense looked very aggressive in the last game and Flores was calling the plays it was just a preseason game. I'll let you get away with no more than Vanillaly aggressive or aggressively vanilla. You choose.

2. What Hightower said in June is irrelevant. Now I understand that he said "aggressive" in June and they looked aggressive in the last game which was in August but you cannot take a June comment and apply it to an August game. Usually there's a 14 to 30 day comment to game cutoff rule. Get used to it.

3. There's no way in hell that Flores approached BB and said "hey let's try being more aggressive here and here". Lieutenants don't do that in the Army and employees don't do that to their bosses. It's not how the world works. We all take orders without feedback. No coach in BB's tree has ever had an idea for improvement. Keep that in mind.

4. Now this may be a little confusing but I'll do my best to make it clear. At no point should you compare two players using percentage. You can't say player A is 75% of player B. BUT you can compare a players play performance using weight, f,e... A 315 pound DT plays like he's 280 pounds which of course would be 11 % less. So use weight instead. It doesn't matter if it's the players actual weight rather the weight he is playing like.

5. Don't stop arguing until you get the personalized Bubba joke. It's not a bad joke actually so maybe it's worth it.

Ok I hope that helps.

Good luck.

It took me until #4 to realize what you were doing there. Nice work.

 

[maineman209]

Well done. Well done. Got a laugh out of it.

He had me at "Vanillaly aggressive".

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry, but at this point my eyes are rolling up in my head trying to read your gobbly-gook. Nothing you can say will induce me to change my position. I don't know if you have full-blown OCD or some other form of disfunction that requires you to respond to every little detail, with your typical andylogic (you should trademark that) to the point where you get so far away from seeing the forest for the trees.

I’m sorry you can’t follow a clear discussion. Perhaps that’s the underlying issue.

At no point did I say that Flores would clash with BB or go against his "bend but don't break" defense, or use schemes against BB's wishes. However, he is still going to bring his style and attitude to the defense, and that defense will bear his identity. How do I know this? We've seen it in the past, with Patricia, Dean Pees, Crennel, and Saban all of who brought their own style and approach to the defense they were in charge of.

You are again contradicting yourself. He won’t abandon BBs schemes, yet he will run his own.
Each of those coaches worked in concert with Belichick and if you don’t understand who was making the philosophy and scheme decisions you are doomed to arguing incorrectly every time you discuss the topic.

You seem triggered and ferociously intent on getting the last word, so go ahead, I’m done.

 

[oceansizer]

McCourty played 30 snaps and allowed 1 catch in 2 targets.
What is your expectation?

And this one catch was a TD for Philly as a consequence of JMC's mistake in coverage .

 

[PP2]

He won’t abandon BBs schemes, yet he will run his own.

Quote me where exactly I said that Flores will run his own schemes.

 

[Ring 6]

And this one catch was a TD for Philly as a consequence of JMC's mistake in coverage .

So you expected perfect?

 

[Tony2046]

Quote me where exactly I said that Flores will run his own schemes.

It was the implicative sum of all your posts put together possibly printed out and in pinned across a large pinboard.

 

[oceansizer]

So you expected perfect?

No I did not. Maybe it is too early to judge JMC but I am just saying he is not the same type of player who impressed me playing for Titans.

 

[Ring 6]

No I did not. Maybe it is too early to judge JMC but I am just saying he is not the same type of player who impressed me playing for Titans.

He was good on 29 out of 30 plays wasn’t he?
Do you think he had zero bad plays in Tennessee?

 

[maineman209]

It was the implicative sum of all your posts put together possibly printed out and in pinned across a large pinboard.

View attachment 21021

Kinda looks like mine.

 

[Tony2046]

Kinda looks like mine.

That's how I picture Andy in the middle of a 30 page argument. Haha