Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

People still trying to find an excuse for the butler benching. It’s likely one of the most asinine moves in super bowl history and it was made by likely the greatest coach in nfl history. I am just glad that the season is almost here. Let’s see how Jason McCourty will replace him.

 

[TBR]

Nice counter point. hahaha

You're attempting to mock me for not having a counter point to a troll who never raised a point to begin with? Yikes. Can't say I'm surprised you took offense to that comment anyway.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I watched all the games.


Well coaches and players do too.

Then I'd recommend you make an appointment to see an optometrist ASAP. See the comment below. This was also discussed during Super Bowl week how the Eagles could exploit how poorly Rowe played during the season.

Rather than BB hiding Rowe, he exposed him by putting him on their best WR.

Rowe graded out poor last season. I’m hopeful in rookies like Dawson and like crossen to eventually take those reps from Rowe.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Is it just me or is it just Andy and Tony vs everyone else?

 

[Ring 6]

Then I'd recommend you make an appointment to see an optometrist ASAP. See the comment below. This was also discussed during Super Bowl week how the Eagles could exploit how poorly Rowe played during the season.

I disagree. And a comment from a poster isn’t a strong argument.

Rowe missed half the season with an injury and half of his playing time was while recovering. He only played 259 snaps all season.
When he played he was fine but he couldn’t stay healthy.

 

[Ring 6]

Cut the BS out. You're only proving my point.

The only "arguments" I've criticized throughout all of my recent posts have been related to those who've invoked Belichick's coaching history or the Patriots Super Bowl/AFCCG record as some sort of justification for Belichick's decision.

That's NOT a matter of you arguing whether "it's Butler's fault". Stop it.

If the argument being made is that Belichick made a decision consistent with his decision making formula that has produced the greatest results ever, so you have to accept the good with the bad from the guy who produces the best results, it’s a pretty good argument.
Unless of course you are living in a fantasy world where someone can have an approach that gives the best result in every situation that ever happens.

However I think you are twisting that into “Belichick makes more good decisions than anyone so that means every decision is good”. Which I doubt anyone is saying prior to you strawmanning.

 

[signbabybrady]

Is it just me or is it just Andy and Tony vs everyone else?

Nope it's the Felger wanna bes vs BB is G.O.A.T.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I disagree. And a comment from a poster isn’t a strong argument.

Rowe missed half the season with an injury and half of his playing time was while recovering. He only played 259 snaps all season.
When he played he was fine but he couldn’t stay healthy.

It is if he’s quoting me lol. Look Rowe was pretty bad last season and If you want to place it on playing hurt that’s cool. Either way he wasn’t good. At least BB saw the issues with butler and Rowe and brought in guys like mccourty and Dawson to fix these holes.

 

[Ring 6]

It is if he’s quoting me lol. Look Rowe was pretty bad last season and If you want to place it on playing hurt that’s cool. Either way he wasn’t good. At least BB saw the issues with butler and Rowe and brought in guys like mccourty and Dawson to fix these holes.

Sorry, I don’t consider your analysis to be strong.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Sorry, I don’t consider your analysis to be strong.

I consider my analysis much better than yours.

 

[Ring 6]

I consider my analysis much better than yours.

I’m sure you do but I surely do not.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sorry, I don’t consider your analysis to be strong.

That’s not nice Andy.

 

[Boomer B]

Ultimately we played the scheme that got killed less against both but still killed.

This has to be one of the most asinine things I’ve read on this board. Our scheme got killed less but still got killed? We got throttled! They drove up and down the field on us with a backup QB. We had both our safeties playing out of position while our No 2 CB sat on the bench while Chung got abused by Agholar. They punted once. We lost a game in which we didn’t punt! Belichick saw our D get sodomized and still kept Butler on the bench.

Our scheme sucked and what was even worse is Belichick wouldn’t even make the change when he saw us unable to make a stop. It’s pretty telling when guys who played their hearts out (Amendola) publicly question what the hell was going on. Amendola went as far to say “But in hindsight, it’s like, ‘Really, what agenda are we on?’ It’s something that I will probably never really understand.” When he uses wording like “what agenda are we on” it shows the players are questioning this move as well. He’s not on the team anymore so he’s willing to say it publicly.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

That’s not nice Andy.

At this point thats all he has left.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This has to be one of the most asinine things I’ve read on this board. Our scheme got killed less but still got killed? We got throttled! They drove up and down the field on us with a backup QB. We had both our safeties playing out of position while our No 2 CB sat on the bench while Chung got abused by Agholar. They punted once. We lost a game in which we didn’t punt! Belichick saw our D get sodomized and still kept Butler on the bench.

Our scheme sucked and what was even worse is Belichick wouldn’t even make the change when he saw us unable to make a stop. It’s pretty telling when guys who played their hearts out (Amendola) publicly question what the hell was going on. Amendola went as far to say “But in hindsight, it’s like, ‘Really, what agenda are we on?’ It’s something that I will probably never really understand.” When he uses wording like “what agenda are we on” it shows the players are questioning this move as well. He’s not on the team anymore so he’s willing to say it publicly.

Kontra brought up a good point in one of his responses to me. If Butler was playing so poorly during the season, how come there was never a suggestion from anyone on this board to have him being replaced by Rowe or someone else?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Kontra brought up a good point in one of his responses to me. If Butler was playing so poorly during the season, how come there was never a suggestion of him being replaced by Rowe or anyone else?

Because...wait for it...Rowe was playing worse than butler. And butler was pretty average last year. The injury I was bummed about was Jonathan jones. Now there’s a corner with some potential.

 

[Ring 6]

This has to be one of the most asinine things I’ve read on this board. Our scheme got killed less but still got killed? We got throttled! They drove up and down the field on us with a backup QB. We had both our safeties playing out of position while our No 2 CB sat on the bench while Chung got abused by Agholar. They punted once. We lost a game in which we didn’t punt! Belichick saw our D get sodomized and still kept Butler on the bench.

What I am saying is if we played regular nickel we would have done even worse vs the run and if we played 4-3 we would have been worse vs the pass.
We chose the middle of the road.

Our scheme sucked and what was even worse is Belichick wouldn’t even make the change when he saw us unable to make a stop. It’s pretty telling when guys who played their hearts out (Amendola) publicly question what the hell was going on. Amendola went as far to say “But in hindsight, it’s like, ‘Really, what agenda are we on?’ It’s something that I will probably never really understand.” When he uses wording like “what agenda are we on” it shows the players are questioning this move as well. He’s not on the team anymore so he’s willing to say it publicly.

It shows Amendola has a microphone in front of his mouth and talks shlt.

 

[Ring 6]

Kontra brought up a good point in one of his responses to me. If Butler was playing so poorly during the season, how come there was never a suggestion from anyone on this board to have him being replaced by Rowe or someone else?

Well Rowe was injured for most of the season so he was never really an option.
Plus butler didn’t play poorly enough to get benched he played poorly enough to get benched because he wasn’t “dialed in” to the gameplan and prepared to play.

 

[Ring 6]

That’s not nice Andy.

Just being honest.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Just being honest.

Just like I said, it’s all he has left.