Patriots Rumor Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Ring 6]

"It's butlers fault butler didn't play"

So you believe butler did absolutely nothing that led to his benching? It was just a whim?

 

[Kontradiction]

So you believe butler did absolutely nothing that led to his benching? It was just a whim?

No. Your usual brand of brain dead straw men notwithstanding, most believe Butler violated some sort of team rule. The question is was it enough to tank the Super Bowl? The answer is probably not. I can envision one scenario in which Butler would deserve to sit out the entire game and that scenario would also have him not even dressing for the game. Not only did he dress, he was allowed on the sideline and in on one ST play. Furthermore, Vrabel had zero problem with signing him to big bucks. So what I'm envisioning is likely not what happened.

 

[Kontradiction]

"You believe you know better than Bill?"

 

[signbabybrady]

unfortunately when he said it he was going full ******.

So you believe Butler did nothing?

 

[Tony2046]

I think I can speak for Literally everyone when i say, Any actual truth would be welcome.

Right now we have a "Rumor" from a "source" that butler got into a verbal argument with a staff member. Which based on seeing other patriot players having verbal arguments with coaches hasn't resulted in benchings.

We also have a couple of instances where BB has IMO unfairly punished butler for slight offenses(Missing a flight due to weather cancellation, Missing a flight due to the flu) Which some members of this forum mean that Butler should have been tarred and feathered, and would rather lose a superbowl then see someone who was sick not be punished severely.

My stance:

I wan't to know what happened that caused the most consistent experienced CB on the team to be active and yet to get zero snaps during a superbowl where the defense gave up the most points in patriots playoff history under BB. I'm not saying you can't punish a player, but I will say the punishment should fit the crime, and that anything short of physically striking a staff member or teammate shouldn't have resulted in throwing the superbowl.

I look forward to the truth you bring to this thread. please keep in mind, quoting SBB saying he has a source, is not in fact truth. It's rumor and conjecture, neither of which will solve the issue this thread was created to discuss.

The truth is that Butler was benched for a reason. He was benched by the same HC that was a huge part of this team making it to 12 AFCCGs (7 in a row) and winning 5 of 8 super bowls.

That's the truth.

Everything else is speculation or assumptions.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

The truth is that Butler was benched for a reason. He was benched by the same HC that was a huge part of this team making it to 12 AFCCGs (7 in a row) and winning 5 of 8 super bowls.

That's the truth.

Everything else is speculation or assumptions.

Great coach no doubt but anything less then an assault would not warrant the benching. The guy was a goner after the season. Bill’s an old school guy though so nothing would surprise me but even the greats can have a bad night.

 

[Tony2046]

Great coach no doubt but anything less then an assault would not warrant the benching. The guy was a goner after the season. Bill’s an old school guy though so nothing would surprise me but even the greats can have a bad night.

My point is that you cannot separate the Great Coach or Great GM from the decision. Whether you think he was right or wrong it's the way he has always coached and the way he has coached has led this team to an unmatched level of success.

His coaching style or system isn't for everyone and it doesn't work all the time but it has worked better than any other coaching style has in NFL history. It has given us older fans a lot to enjoy and probably has spoiled the **** out of the younger fans but I don't think anyone would trade it for any other team's success.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Unless Butler committed a crime (he clearly didn’t), there was no reason why he shouldn’t have be out there in the biggest game of the year.

I can understand it during the regular season, but on the Super Bowl is unacceptable.

You can’t honestly say with a straight face that Rowe was better than Malcolm Butler.

BB flat out sabatoged the game. He not only punished Butler, but took it out on the entire team. The fact that people can’t admit BB made a mistake is beyond idiotic.

 

[ralmat55]

The truth is that Butler was benched for a reason. He was benched by the same HC that was a huge part of this team making it to 12 AFCCGs (7 in a row) and winning 5 of 8 super bowls.

That's the truth.

Everything else is speculation or assumptions.

That’s your own speculation and assumption. We’re all dealing in both but some are better evidenced than others.

He was benched by the same coach who once benched Wes Walker for the first quarter of a playoff game for saying an innocent foot fetish joke about the opposing coach. It was a misuse of authority which was a big factor in his team losing that game. The same guy who sat Richard Seymour for a half when he was late returning from his grandfather’s funeral. There’s a track record of Bill Belichick overreacting when his authority is pinched. Let’s not pretend there isn’t.

 

[Tony2046]

That’s your own speculation and assumption. We’re all dealing in both but some are better evidenced than others.

He was benched by the same coach who once benched Wes Walker for the first quarter of a playoff game for saying an innocent foot fetish joke about the opposing coach. It was a misuse of authority which was a big factor in his team losing that game. The same guy who sat Richard Seymour for a half when he was late returning from his grandfather’s funeral. There’s a track record of Bill Belichick overreacting when his authority is pinched. Let’s not pretend there isn’t.

What did I say that was speculation?

 

[Tony2046]

Unless Butler committed a crime (he clearly didn’t), there was no reason why he shouldn’t have be out there in the biggest game of the year.

I can understand it during the regular season, but on the Super Bowl is unacceptable.

You can’t honestly say with a straight face that Rowe was better than Malcolm Butler.

BB flat out sabatoged the game. He not only punished Butler, but took it out on the entire team. The fact that people can’t admit BB made a mistake is beyond idiotic.

Too funny. "Sabotaged the game" and " can't admit BB made a mistake" in the same sentence followed with "beyond idiotic". hahaha

 

[signbabybrady]

@Tony2046

 

[Chevy]

That’s your own speculation and assumption. We’re all dealing in both but some are better evidenced than others.

He was benched by the same coach who once benched Wes Walker for the first quarter of a playoff game for saying an innocent foot fetish joke about the opposing coach. It was a misuse of authority which was a big factor in his team losing that game. The same guy who sat Richard Seymour for a half when he was late returning from his grandfather’s funeral. There’s a track record of Bill Belichick overreacting when his authority is pinched. Let’s not pretend there isn’t.

Is it over-reacting? Or is it BB being incredibly consistent?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

This is why I love message board posting and just debating with other posters in general. You get to pigeonhole the Belichick fans in what must be an absolutely devastating moral quandary between defending Bill at all costs while simultaneously calling him a liar.

I'm a big Belichick fan and I'm happy to call Belichick a liar. I think he lies plenty in public! Though I also think his lies are mostly lies of omission or picking words verrrry carefully so that they are technically true but lead one to draw the opposite conclusion from what's really going on. And every now and then there's an outright falsehood, too.

Also:
1) This isn't any different from any other coach.
2) Saying he lies quite a bit is not the same as saying he lies most (or even a lot) of the time.

I chuckle at the people who take Belichick constantly at face value, especially about anything controversial.

 

[Ring 6]

That’s your own speculation and assumption. We’re all dealing in both but some are better evidenced than others.

He was benched by the same coach who once benched Wes Walker for the first quarter of a playoff game for saying an innocent foot fetish joke about the opposing coach. It was a misuse of authority which was a big factor in his team losing that game. The same guy who sat Richard Seymour for a half when he was late returning from his grandfather’s funeral. There’s a track record of Bill Belichick overreacting when his authority is pinched. Let’s not pretend there isn’t.

I would say his approach to leadership and authority has worked out pretty well since he came here.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

"[Welker playoff benching] was a misuse of authority which was a big factor in his team losing that game.

"Was a big factor" is total crap. Welker was benched for one series.

 

[1960Pats]

Apparently Belichick bet his half of Nantucket for the other half, on the eagles.

I just KNEW there had to be something!

 

[1960Pats]

"Was a big factor" is total crap. Welker was benched for one series.

I thought at the time that Bill kind of took the team's focus away a little by benching Welker, even though it was only one series.

 

[1960Pats]

My point is that you cannot separate the Great Coach or Great GM from the decision. Whether you think he was right or wrong it's the way he has always coached and the way he has coached has led this team to an unmatched level of success.

His coaching style or system isn't for everyone and it doesn't work all the time but it has worked better than any other coaching style has in NFL history. It has given us older fans a lot to enjoy and probably has spoiled the **** out of the younger fans but I don't think anyone would trade it for any other team's success.

It's a players league, the most important position is QB and Bill has the best QB in history, who's willing to submit to an authoritarian in spite of his GOATness.

 

[chasa]

So you believe Butler did nothing?

feel free to go find ANY SINGLE POST where i said Butler did nothing wrong.

From the moment the game ended my stance has been Why was Butler benched, and every follow up has been trying to find ACTUAL answers, while at the same time dealing with trolls like you with your "Sources" and rumors, and the fact that even if everything you say is true, STILL doesn't merit a 100% benching in the superbowl.

i know that's a hard concept for you to understand, that the world isn't black and white, but some of us see shades of grey.

Yes i set you up for another trollish response using 50 shades of grey.