OT: Anthony Bourdain dead of suicide

[Ring 6]

it's actually the other way around. psychiatrists are medical doctors and are able to prescribe drugs to their patients. psychologists have doctoral degrees and focus primarily on psychotherapy, counseling, behavioral therapy, etc.--they're not allowed to prescribe drugs except in a few states if they've taken extra pharmacology courses.
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Psychologists are prescribing anti depressants
(Edit: I believe they technically may be recommending to the primary physician to write the prescription, but in reality thy are prescribing it)

 

[Tony2046]

My late 20’s age son suffers from depression.....I was always the suck it up type of person but depression is a serious real thing...The things I could write about it experiencing as a parent would be lengthy but make no mistake it is devastating and Im always wondering when I might get a call I dont want to hear......ugh

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Tony2046]

As a guy who suffers from depression for years, I just want to offer what I know. I am not judging you in any way.

I suffered from depression sometime when I was 12 and I am 29 now. In last year it JUST dawned on me that my depression was caused by years of child abuse. Child abuse takes forms of physical\verbal abuse and neglect. My situation was all of above. Since then, I read a lot about child abuse. Why takes so long for me to realize it? Because the abused often feel a tremendous shame about the abusing acts and the fact that he/she let it happen to themselves.

I am not SAYING you abused your child. But it hurts nobody to think about his childhood and do some "search". Maybe some form of neglect because you are a suck it up type? Anthony Bourdain was a friend of a good friend. I suspect he too was abused in his childhood.

1. SUCK IT UP never works. What we need is compassion and self-compassion. Always we are our own worst enemy. We can show compassion to complete strangers but never to ourselves. You can read about it and teach yourself and your son. The leading researcher is Kristin Neff.

2.Things can be the way they are without any emotion or judgement. Depression is hard because the patient is both the attacker and the attacked. Self compassion again.

3. If the fear of his potential suicide keeps you up at night, you should let him know. Let him know you care about him ALL THE TIME
you are not judging him at all
you acknowledge his suffering
you validate his rights to express his sadness\angry\suffering
you offer him compassion

I like your post. Disagree with the "suck it up never works". There are times when that is necessary but compassion is needed as well.

 

[edkk323]

I like your post. Disagree with the "suck it up never works". There are times when that is necessary but compassion is needed as well.

First, we have to clearly define "sucking it up" before. What I meant was using brute force, ignore, minimize, fear and threat to deal with significant issues NEVER worked. You get a paper cut, you should suck it up.

I was a expert of sucking it up when I was 14. I ran away because I would rather die than taking any more abuse. I did not complain. I did not whine. I ignored my feelings. Now I am paying a full price for it 15 years later. I am working through it positively tho.

 

[DarrylS]

Psychologists are prescribing anti depressants
(Edit: I believe they technically may be recommending to the primary physician to write the prescription, but in reality thy are prescribing it)

"Some psychologists" are prescribing anti depressants linked with on going therapy, others are not..... Psychiatrists can prescribe and in some states Certified Psychologists can prescribe ( Idaho, New Mexico, Louisiana, Illinois and Louisiana).. OTOH any doctor can prescribe anti depressants without any form of accompanying therapeutic intervention..

You should not denigrate a profession that you do not like or distrust, but has helped millions of others... depression is a bytch and there are times when meds are very beneficial to the patient..

When it is understood that depression and other forms of mental illness is some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, then it is easier to follow.. no amount of money can make that better or different...

It is being reported that Bourdain hung himself with a bathrobe sash, that is a horrible way to die... lots of steps and lots to think about in the process.

 

[Tony2046]

First, we have to clearly define "sucking it up" before. What I meant was using brute force, ignore, minimize, fear and threat to deal with significant issues NEVER worked. You get a paper cut, you should suck it up.

I was a expert of sucking it up when I was 14. I ran away because I would rather die than taking any more abuse. I did not complain. I did not whine. I ignored my feelings. Now I am paying a full price for it 15 years later. I am working through it positively tho.

Ok. I stand corrected. I agree completely.

 

[primetime]

When it is understood that depression and other forms of mental illness is some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, then it is easier to follow.. no amount of money can make that better or different...

I don't really think the massive uptick in the number of suicides is explained by prescription of pharmaceuticals, but I want to point out that we don't really know what any of those brain chemicals like dopamine even do, and we're prescribing drugs that mess with them in the hopes of fixing something. There's a huge marketing industry for these drugs that's designed to make you think we know what they do, but the state of research on them is bleak.

For example, I was prescribed Paxil (by a psychiatrist who barely talked to me at all; from what I understand the psychologist was against it) as an adolescent when my parents divorced, largely because they didn't want to deal with the usual puberty stuff combined with the divorce. It made me twitchy, a wreck, and ultimately somewhat suicidal. When I stopped taking it, I improved. Turns out Paxil was linked to a rash of suicides in pre-adults and is now banned for prescription to minors. I'll never trust any of that stuff again, and as a demographer and statistician who reads a lot of this research, I feel pretty justified in my decision. (Therapy itself has mixed reviews too, but it probably can't do any harm. Most studies suggest technique doesnt make a difference, just strength of connection. And that's a reflection of how much socialization matters to humans. Going to a therapist is just buying a trained friend, but that can be invaluable.)

But I don't think that is the reason for increasing suicide rates, either. Modern life is lonely, bleak, and increasingly financially difficult. We're working longer hours at ****tier jobs for less pay. We've replaced communities with the internet, a thoroughly dismal communications platform that encourages antisocial behavior (witness this forum!) and really exists as a platform to sell you products (particularly porn). Culture increasingly is focused on truly bleak and dismal portrayals of the world without any redeeming qualities or message behind it, culminating in meaningless goreporn like Walking Dead or Game of Thrones, and culture has a dialectical relationship with society - it both reflects underlying conditions and shapes them.

 

[Clonamery]

But I don't think that is the reason for increasing suicide rates, either. Modern life is lonely, bleak, and increasingly financially difficult. We're working longer hours at ****tier jobs for less pay. We've replaced communities with the internet, a thoroughly dismal communications platform that encourages antisocial behavior (witness this forum!) and really exists as a platform to sell you products (particularly porn). Culture increasingly is focused on truly bleak and dismal portrayals of the world without any redeeming qualities or message behind it, culminating in meaningless goreporn like Walking Dead or Game of Thrones, and culture has a dialectical relationship with society - it both reflects underlying conditions and shapes them.

There are a lot of miserable people in this world.

P.S. are you saying Ian is a porn peddler?

 

[primetime]

There are a lot of miserable people in this world.

No, only fmordcircle does that kind of business here. Ask for the stuff he pulled from a dumpster.

 

[Tunescribe]

P.S. are you saying Ian is a porn peddler?

You don't want to know what he does in the basement of his pizza shop!

 

[Clonamery]

No, only fmordcircle does that kind of business here. Ask for the stuff he pulled from a dumpster.

I'm convinced that @fnordcircle is Andy Kaufman's love child.

 

[Joker]

nah...he's Dork from Ork

 

[Ring 6]

"Some psychologists" are prescribing anti depressants linked with on going therapy, others are not..... Psychiatrists can prescribe and in some states Certified Psychologists can prescribe ( Idaho, New Mexico, Louisiana, Illinois and Louisiana).. OTOH any doctor can prescribe anti depressants without any form of accompanying therapeutic intervention..

You should not denigrate a profession that you do not like or distrust, but has helped millions of others... depression is a bytch and there are times when meds are very beneficial to the patient..

When it is understood that depression and other forms of mental illness is some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, then it is easier to follow.. no amount of money can make that better or different...

It is being reported that Bourdain hung himself with a bathrobe sash, that is a horrible way to die... lots of steps and lots to think about in the process.

I am not denigrating people who suffer from depression. I am denigrating doctors who mishandle their patients. It happens. A lot.

 

[bbobbo]

Psychologists are prescribing anti depressants
(Edit: I believe they technically may be recommending to the primary physician to write the prescription, but in reality thy are prescribing it)

my wife is a clinical psychologist, and she most certainly does not prescribe anti-depressants, either directly or by asking psychiatrists to do it for her. she works with a lot of BPD patients, and her treatment focuses on teaching CBT and DBT skills to them.

often her patients have other treaters, including psychiatrists who do prescribe anti-depressents or other psychopharmaceuticals to them. in many cases, she agrees with the decision to medicate because she can see the difference in her patients when they're on or off their meds. but in no case does she ever initiate the prescription herself.

i understand you had a different experience, but it's inaccurate to make a blanket statement like "psychologists do _____" based on that.


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[Tunescribe]

my wife is a clinical psychologist, and she most certainly does not prescribe anti-depressants, either directly or by asking psychiatrists to do it for her. she works with a lot of BPD patients, and her treatment focuses on teaching CBT and DBT skills to them.

often her patients have other treaters, including psychiatrists who do prescribe anti-depressents or other psychopharmaceuticals to them. in many cases, she agrees with the decision to medicate because she can see the difference in her patients when they're on or off their meds. but in no case does she ever initiate the prescription herself.

i understand you had a different experience, but it's inaccurate to make a blanket statement like "psychologists do _____" based on that.


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A good psychologist can tell when a patient needs consultation with a psychiatrist for medication and recommend a medical evaluation.

 

[bbobbo]

A good psychologist can tell when a patient needs consultation with a psychiatrist for medication and recommend a medical evaluation.

oh yes, i agree with that. that's different though, than a psychologist calling up the patient's primary doctor and saying, "can you prescribe her X mg of Y." which is what i took away from AJ's post.
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[Patjew]

My wife was bipolar. Many of you know that she took her life in 2012. She left a wake of destruction behind her. I don’t blame her any more than if she had cancer, but it’s something that the survivors can never fully recover from.

Two of my three kids have been suffering from suicidality these past few years as well. It is obviously genetic (or a result of being close to me). They have been institutionalized on and off but are fairly stable now. It is the scariest thing. It’s very complex to try to keep them safe and also to try to motivate them live a normal healthy.

The best piece of advice I can give for people in my boat is to be supportive, offer help, be patient, and not feel too bad when you lose your **** now and then.

I am such an idiot that I am optimistic that everything will work out well. But I really think it will.

 

[Tunescribe]

My wife was bipolar. Many of you know that she took her life in 2012. She left a wake of destruction behind her. I don’t blame her anymore than if she had cancer, but it’s something that the survivors can never fully recover from.

Two of my three kids have been suffering from suicidality these past few years as well. They have been institutionalized on and off but are fairly stable now. It is the scariest thing. It’s very complex to try to keep them safe and also to try to motivate them live a normal healthy.

The best piece of advice I can give for people in my boat is to be supportive, offer help, be patient, and not feel too bad when you lose your **** now and then.

I am such an idiot that I am optimistic that everything will work out well. But I really think it will.

Stories like yours just go to show how many of us might look fine on the outside but are waging huge campaigns on the inside. For instance, someone very close to me was horribly abused as a child, consequently struggling through homelessness and serious substance abuse. Their ongoing challenges have become my own, showing me depths of despair I never imagined. But there also are valuable lessons to be learned. If the purpose of life is to "grow our soul," so to speak, then it kind of makes sense.

 

[Patjew]

Stories like yours just go to show how many of us might look fine on the outside but are waging huge campaigns on the inside. For instance, someone very close to me was horribly abused as a child, consequently struggling through homelessness and serious substance abuse. Their ongoing challenges have become my own, showing me depths of despair I never imagined. But there also are valuable lessons to be learned. If the purpose of life is to "grow our soul," so to speak, then it kind of makes sense.

“Save a life and save the world.”

That **** is true.

 

[pats_premi]

My wife was bipolar. Many of you know that she took her life in 2012. She left a wake of destruction behind her. I don’t blame her anymore than if she had cancer, but it’s something that the survivors can never fully recover from.

Two of my three kids have been suffering from suicidality these past few years as well. They have been institutionalized on and off but are fairly stable now. It is the scariest thing. It’s very complex to try to keep them safe and also to try to motivate them live a normal healthy.

The best piece of advice I can give for people in my boat is to be supportive, offer help, be patient, and not feel too bad when you lose your **** now and then.

I am such an idiot that I am optimistic that everything will work out well. But I really think it will.

Thank you for sharing. I am lost for words.