If Gronk “shoots his way out of town”. Trades I would love to see.

[1960Pats]

100 percent agree.

Thanks.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Can’t we toss in Jordan Richards & have SF add one of those homeless tent people who live on their sidewalks?

Nah.... forget it.
The 49ers would never go for it.

 

[patfanken]

The Niners already fleeced NE with the Jimmy trade. Do they really need any more help?

The fact your post was short didn't mitigate the stupidity of it, or maybe you just ghostwrite for Felger.

When the Pats traded Jimmy he had 6 quarters of starting football. He was reaching FA in one of the better QB years in the draft, to go along with a plethora of FA QB's that were available to teams. In that environment the fact the Pats GOT a high 2nd rounder was a minor miracle. Mediots with 20-20 hindsight want to make it seem that it was a sure thing that he'd win 5 games mostly against teams that didn't give a sh!t, and also ignored the fact he threw almost as many picks as TD's. They also ignore the fact that Jimmy has a LONG way to go and many ups and downs before he proves he actually IS a franchise QB. There have been a LOT of one-hit wonders who played the QB position.

Now every word I've written has been echoed on this site from so many others almost from the day of the trade. We SHOULD get it by now, but clearly, you haven't and I'm not mature enough to simply ignore your ignorance and simply let it go. The Niner's didn't "fleece" the Pats. Jimmy was GONE period, only the price was in question. The Pats could get #42 in '18 or #100 in '19.

As for the OP -

I was ready to mock this thread after reading the title, but Toys did a really thoughtful job of coming up with a trade that makes SOME sense to both teams. JMHO, but I wouldn't do this trade UNLESS I knew Gronk had mentally checked out of Foxboro, or would hold out if he doesn't get paid like a WR.

BTW- For all the legs the Gronk story gets (and correct me if I'm wrong), the basis of it all was from the VERY vague remarks from Gronk immediately after suffering a heartbreaking loss in the superbowl, clearly a very emotional time. Since that time have we actually HEARD from Gronk about anything other than his dance moves with Shaq, or the fact that he's been working out at the Pats facility so far this off season?

 

[pctronics0072]

I am thinking (hoping) it is now an exaggeration and bb/rk have already met with gronk and know what his wishes are and what they are going to do.

 

[Free_Pacman]

Gronk’s act has worn thin with me the last couple of months. Would love to be able to get an early 2nd rounder for him, but I doubt that’s realistic at this point.

 

[raduray]

The fact your post was short didn't mitigate the stupidity of it, or maybe you just ghostwrite for Felger.

When the Pats traded Jimmy he had 6 quarters of starting football. He was reaching FA in one of the better QB years in the draft, to go along with a plethora of FA QB's that were available to teams. In that environment the fact the Pats GOT a high 2nd rounder was a minor miracle. Mediots with 20-20 hindsight want to make it seem that it was a sure thing that he'd win 5 games mostly against teams that didn't give a sh!t, and also ignored the fact he threw almost as many picks as TD's. They also ignore the fact that Jimmy has a LONG way to go and many ups and downs before he proves he actually IS a franchise QB. There have been a LOT of one-hit wonders who played the QB position.

Now every word I've written has been echoed on this site from so many others almost from the day of the trade. We SHOULD get it by now, but clearly, you haven't and I'm not mature enough to simply ignore your ignorance and simply let it go. The Niner's didn't "fleece" the Pats. Jimmy was GONE period, only the price was in question. The Pats could get #42 in '18 or #100 in '19.

As for the OP -

I was ready to mock this thread after reading the title, but Toys did a really thoughtful job of coming up with a trade that makes SOME sense to both teams. JMHO, but I wouldn't do this trade UNLESS I knew Gronk had mentally checked out of Foxboro, or would hold out if he doesn't get paid like a WR.

BTW- For all the legs the Gronk story gets (and correct me if I'm wrong), the basis of it all was from the VERY vague remarks from Gronk immediately after suffering a heartbreaking loss in the superbowl, clearly a very emotional time. Since that time have we actually HEARD from Gronk about anything other than his dance moves with Shaq, or the fact that he's been working out at the Pats facility so far this off season?

Your analysis has nothing to do with valuation. Valuation has to do with what other teams are willing to pay and we don't seem to have explored all options (e.g. Browns).

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Gronkowski is a unique player whose value is irreplaceable, and his contract makes him one of the best bargains in sports, particularly in the NFL salary cap galaxy. Outside of trading him for a sure fire all-pro Brady successor, basically all of these trade proposals are crazy. You just have to hope he stays with the team and continues to perform at a high level for as long as possible, and hopefully things between him and the organization will blow over. My guess is he plays at least another five years here at superstar level, and then we can all go back and laugh at all of these ingenious proposals to trade him for *hopefully* a second round draft pick who, based on probability, won’t contribute much.

 

[Boomer B]

The fact your post was short didn't mitigate the stupidity of it, or maybe you just ghostwrite for Felger.

When the Pats traded Jimmy he had 6 quarters of starting football. He was reaching FA in one of the better QB years in the draft, to go along with a plethora of FA QB's that were available to teams. In that environment the fact the Pats GOT a high 2nd rounder was a minor miracle. Mediots with 20-20 hindsight want to make it seem that it was a sure thing that he'd win 5 games mostly against teams that didn't give a sh!t, and also ignored the fact he threw almost as many picks as TD's. They also ignore the fact that Jimmy has a LONG way to go and many ups and downs before he proves he actually IS a franchise QB. There have been a LOT of one-hit wonders who played the QB position.

Now every word I've written has been echoed on this site from so many others almost from the day of the trade. We SHOULD get it by now, but clearly, you haven't and I'm not mature enough to simply ignore your ignorance and simply let it go. The Niner's didn't "fleece" the Pats. Jimmy was GONE period, only the price was in question. The Pats could get #42 in '18 or #100 in '19.

As for the OP -

I was ready to mock this thread after reading the title, but Toys did a really thoughtful job of coming up with a trade that makes SOME sense to both teams. JMHO, but I wouldn't do this trade UNLESS I knew Gronk had mentally checked out of Foxboro, or would hold out if he doesn't get paid like a WR.

BTW- For all the legs the Gronk story gets (and correct me if I'm wrong), the basis of it all was from the VERY vague remarks from Gronk immediately after suffering a heartbreaking loss in the superbowl, clearly a very emotional time. Since that time have we actually HEARD from Gronk about anything other than his dance moves with Shaq, or the fact that he's been working out at the Pats facility so far this off season?

Got to disagree with this. It was written after that BB didn’t shop Jimmy G. He called the 49ers and made the trade. I remember reading the Browns were pissed cause they were interested but didn’t even know BB was willing to trade him. They have a ton of picks. Cards, Browns, 49ers, and a few others should have been called.

The Jimmy G trade was a very odd situation. Before last years draft teams inquired about Jimmy and BB said flat out he wouldn’t trade him. John Lynch confirmed this. Then part way through this season he trades him without shopping him. Something happened. J Kraft goes on the radio and says Brady deserves to make the call when he retires as a Patriot.

 

[patfanken]

Your analysis has nothing to do with valuation. Valuation has to do with what other teams are willing to pay and we don't seem to have explored all options (e.g. Browns).

The Browns name have gotten thrown around quite a bit, but you'd have to think that their #1 and #4 were never part of the equation. And at the time, there wasn't much difference between the Browns' 2nd round pick and SF's.

You always have to take these "reportedly" stories with a grain of salt. There were a lot of reports saying the Browns would have given up one of their firsts for JG before last season's draft, but that was later debunked.

BOTTOM line a lot of crap comes out about "reportedly" narratives that are mostly supposition they get repeated enough times that they eventually start to become reported as fact. They took what they thought was a 2nd round pick that they thought would be in the mid 30's. That's a decent reward for someone who was going to be gone in a few months anyway and couldn't be franchised.

Trading him was a situation where the Pats were making the best of an unfortunate set of circumstances. JG's time had simply run out and Brady wasn't showing signs that he was going anywhere soon. If Brady had aged normally, JG would likely still be here. But that's a good thing. What is often lost in this whole thing is that for the next 2 or 3 years, the Pats will STILL have the better QB

 

[Off The Grid]

All above are disconcerting.

Yeah, like when my favorite band cancelled their show. Very disconcerting.

I was so crestfallen that I dropped my toothpaste.

 

[Tony2046]

@DW Toys

Just want to say that I enjoy reading your posts. They're well thought out and usually on the fringe (from my perspective).

Back to your op. Having Gronk on the team increase the odds of getting to the playoffs, getting first round bye and getting to the Super Bowl more so than just about any other player on the team save Tom Brady. So trading him makes no sense to me if the goal is to win now which it is. Even if he's at odds with BB he's not at odds with the rest of the locker room or at least imo he's not. No matter what or who they got in return for the trade they would be worse offensively so why do that?

I do admit that Gronk being traded seems like a real possibility though.

 

[TBR]

Maybe the Pats take Mayfield or Allen at #9?*

F*CK NO.

 

[Joker]

I just time jumped to "reality:game one September 2018". Gronk is starting at TE.

I also sell stock tips...drop me an email to [email protected]

 

[luuked]

The Niners already fleeced NE with the Jimmy trade. Do they really need any more help?

Nobody fleeced anyone. It was either a) trade Brady or b) a late third round comp pick instead of a early 2nd round pick. That is the reality.

And of course you don't call the Browns about a good QB. You don't want to go against him in your own conference every ****ing year. Anyone who brings up any AFC team as potential trade partner is just silly.

 

[Deus Irae]

Nobody fleeced anyone. It was either a) trade Brady or b) a late third round comp pick instead of a early 2nd round pick. That is the reality.

And of course you don't call the Browns about a good QB. You don't want to go against him in your own conference every ****ing year. Anyone who brings up any AFC team as potential trade partner is just silly.

The Patriots got fleeced. Denying that is homerism of the most ridiculously needless sort.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Gronk will be playing and always was going to be playing (his name being mentioned so frequently in the offseason -- marketing win). Whether he will be playing for the Patriots (very likely) has been the question.
For the Patriots, waiting up to and beginning camp, if he isn't all in/doesn't want to be here then it should result in some good capital for the Patriots (and a happy new stomping ground for Gronk). Unlike the Jimmy situation where the promise was high but the tangible proof was thin (many teams kicking themselves...including the Patriots?) as well as the contract situation status differing, Gronk will go to a team under contract for a full season and should be solid gold for the success for numerous teams (maybe a minor concern about finishing 16 games?).

 

[luuked]

The Patriots got fleeced. Denying that is homerism of the most ridiculously needless sort.

Nah they didnt. But whatever your opinion really is worth nothing to me.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

BTW- For all the legs the Gronk story gets (and correct me if I'm wrong), the basis of it all was from the VERY vague remarks from Gronk immediately after suffering a heartbreaking loss in the superbowl, clearly a very emotional time.

That's not correct. Hours before the game Mike Florio (who IIRC has the same agency as Gronk) out of nowhere tweeted "This is 99-percent wild guess but it would not shock me at all if Gronk retires after tonight's game."



Then immediately after the game a reporter asked Gronk if he was thinking about retiring and Gronk's answer was "How do you know about that?" (Not "What are you talking about?" or "Where did you here that from?" but "How do you know about that?")

So in one sentence Gronk (a) confirmed that Florio was on to something, and (b) confirmed it was something he was thinking about before the game.

 

[scout]

Gronk’s act has worn thin with me the last couple of months. Would love to be able to get an early 2nd rounder for him, but I doubt that’s realistic at this point.

I have not read Gronk's comments in the last few months? Plenty of media speculation, though. Is that why you want to trade Gronk for an early second rounder?

 

[bormio]

Gronk is one of the most dominant players I have ever seen - can singlehandedly change a game. A matchup nightmare. But even if he plays this year, after that - whether due to desire or wear and tear- seems iffy. In that light, a trade makes some sense. And despite his greatness, the fact remains, the Patriots won a Super Bowl without him (in fact, 4).