Bedard speculates on Gronk trade

[Raymond]

Gronk is a once in a lifetime player. I want him for every game possible and watching him catch balls and steamroll d-backs in another uni will probably give me indigestion.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I highly disagree with what Jimke is claiming and I think he’s being way too over the top, but the answer to your question would lie in one’s opinion of what getting screwed in a trade means.

Duane Starks for a 3rd rounder certainly didn’t work out too well, considering that he was only here for one season (thankfully). Trading away a 3rd and a 4th/5th for Derrick Burgess’ sorry ass didn’t go so well. We all know the Ochocinco and Haynesworth moves. Outright cutting a former first round pick and 2 time pro bowler in Meriweather was certainly questionable, considering the fact that one would assume at least a mid-late round pick in return.

Of course, these are all failed trades, so it likely doesn’t fit your criteria about someone taking advantage of Belichick. They may just have been failed trades. Point blank. No one necessarily got “screwed” as that poster is suggesting, although these are likely some of the examples that he may be thinking of. As we know, many have worked out and many haven’t. That’s just the nature of the gamble.

In terms of picks for players Starks might have been THE worst BB has ever executed on. He was brutal. Absolutely brutal.

At least Burgess had a few sacks.

BB tried to trade Big Bang Clock but were no takers.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Saw a rumor of Gronk going to the Rams. Is this what bedard was speculating?

Bedard feeding off Colin Cowherd ... funny stuff.

 

[luuked]

Of course, these are all failed trades, so it likely doesn’t fit your criteria about someone taking advantage of Belichick. They may just have been failed trades. Point blank. No one necessarily got “screwed” as that poster is suggesting, although these are likely some of the examples that he may be thinking of. As we know, many have worked out and many haven’t. That’s just the nature of the gamble.

But that is my point. A trade not working out is one thing but saying that every team knows they can screw BB with trades is just over the top garbage. The Trent Richardson trade for a first round pick to the Colts is a screw-you move. Ochocinco not working out is not the same... at least for me.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not sure that BB "buying" an NFL player who subsequently doesn't perform to expectations is as much widely viewed as "BB getting screwed on a trade" as it is "BB effed-up on the scouting."

OTOH, BB "selling" a Pats player for less than what fans think said player is worth is the primary definition of BB "getting screwed on a trade". Since long time Patriots players rarely have the actual market value that fans believe they should have, BB is pretty much always "getting screwed" on those deals.

You are talking about trades for good nfl players who didn’t work out. Each of those players were worth the picks based upon their career to date, but for one reason or another such as struggling with the scheme or being Over the hill earlier than expected they didn’t work out. Expecting every trade for mid to late round picks to be a steal is silly.

 

[PatriotSpy]

I can see it happening. Don't want it to happen but I can see it happening.

 

[maust]

Bedard feeding off Colin Cowherd ... funny stuff.

I'll take Mediots for $600 Alex.
Bottom feeders feeding each other
What is Sports Media in 2018

 

[mgteich]

Saw a rumor of Gronk going to the Rams. Is this what bedard was speculating?

don't know

However, if I were writing columns regularly, I would surely be "speculating" on a trade of Gronk to the rams or to SF. I would also be speculating about an extension by the patriots.

 

[BTTA]

don't know

However, if I were writing columns regularly, I would surely be "speculating" on a trade of Gronk to the rams or to SF. I would also be speculating about an extension by the patriots.

Agreed. Not sure why Bedard is somehow doing wrong by speculate on something that's all over the media - written, digital, radio, TV. It's not like he started this thinking, he's just reflecting on it. That's part of his job description. He also wrote about McDaniels, Brady-Kraft-Belichick, and the new helmet contact rule in the same column.

 

[1960Pats]

Name 2-3 examples where anyone screwed BB on a trade. Please.

And don't try to mention JG because nobody got screwed there. It was either an early 2nd or a late 3rd round comp pick 1.5 years later. Or trading Brady.

I think that some fans are overlooking two things concerning the Garoppolo trade.
1 - The timing just wasn't any good for the Pats. Belichick made a near perfect move by having a replacement QB, but it was messed it up by TB lasting as long as he has.
2 - Once in the position of being forced to trade Garoppolo, Belichick did a good job of sending him somewhere where he'd have less impact on the Pats and be more likely to stay put. If BB sent him packing to Cleveland, soon he'd be out of there and looking for a job with the Bills or Jets.

 

[1960Pats]

The Jimmy G trade is not at all comparable to the Gronk situation. Jimmy G had no chance of staying here, he certainly wasn't going to play while here, so the only option was to move on for the best value they could get.

Gronk's situation is closer to that of Seymour or Mankins, both 8 year vets at or near pro bowl form. To assess Gronk's value in a trade, I would look for something in between the two.

We got pick #17 for Seymour, but the pick came two years later, which drops the value to that of maybe an early 2nd. We got a 4th plus a depth TE for Mankins, which seemed like a ripoff at the time, but he declined sharply following the trade. Between Gronk's injury history and the likelihood that he retires young, I imagine other teams would attempt to offer something closer to Mankins compensation than Seymour compensation.

There is one wild card - the LA Rams. They are in win now mode like no team we've witnessed since the 2007 Patriots.

With players dropping like flies, the current Pats look like they're in the win no mode.

The thing that irked me about the Seymour trade was that beside losing a load and a half on the DL, the pick from the Raiduhs dropped like a rock when Big Sey went there. I forgot, was it really all the way down to 17? No wonder I'm still pissed.

 

[1960Pats]

don't know

However, if I were writing columns regularly, I would surely be "speculating" on a trade of Gronk to the rams or to SF. I would also be speculating about an extension by the patriots.

I'd be speculating that the loss of so many key players plus Gronk would have a negative effect on the team.

 

[Jimke]

I'd be speculating that the loss of so many key players plus Gronk would have a negative effect on the team.

The Patriots can cover for most of these players but not Solder and especially Gronk.

 

[maust]

Agreed. Not sure why Bedard is somehow doing wrong by speculate on something that's all over the media - written, digital, radio, TV. It's not like he started this thinking, he's just reflecting on it. That's part of his job description. He also wrote about McDaniels, Brady-Kraft-Belichick, and the new helmet contact rule in the same column.

A big part of the problem with Bedard's speculation was in him citing a “Bill Belichick-friendly source” in saying when Belichick begins to contemplate life without a given player he in turn "warms up" to the idea of not having him. Essentially Bedard was using that twisted phrase to justify his interpretation of Belichick's mind set. What the hell is a “Bill Belichick-friendly source” exactly? Anyone that once said something nice about him? That could qualify my cleaning lady as Bedard's source. Given the dearth of info and a desire for clicks there's no sin in Bedard speculating. Couching it in such a way as to intimate his speculation is based on some insider knowledge of Belichick's mind set is another thing entirely.

 

[Jimke]

Name 2-3 examples where anyone screwed BB on a trade. Please.

And don't try to mention JG because nobody got screwed there. It was either an early 2nd or a late 3rd round comp pick 1.5 years later. Or trading Brady.

Trading Chandler Jones for a late 2nd round pick. This year's runner up for
defensive player of the year. Trading Collins for a compensatory 3rd round pick.
I'd do admit Collins was really being a pain in the ass. My only criticism of the
Garappolo trade was that it did not contain a provision for games he might win.

 

[1960Pats]

The Patriots can cover for most of these players but not Solder and especially Gronk.

I don't see them getting better replacements for Lewis, Butler or Amendola either.

Edit: Not to mention Garoppolo. That kid has a very bright future.

 

[1960Pats]

Are there really 20 fans who believe that Gronk is getting traded? The way I see it is Gronk plays for the Pats or not at all. I could be wrong but I don't think that I am.

If Gronk really is the 4th highest paid TE then he doesn't have a *****. None. Even if you think he's underpaid, so what? Plenty of people are. Why not Gronk?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Trading Chandler Jones for a late 2nd round pick. This year's runner up for
defensive player of the year. Trading Collins for a compensatory 3rd round pick.
I'd do admit Collins was really being a pain in the ass. My only criticism of the
Garappolo trade was that it did not contain a provision for games he might win.

BB wasn't screwed on the Jones trade. Lets stop this narrative.

Fans fail to factor in the contract load teams assume when trading for an impact player.

If Jones was under a cheap deal for 3 years he would have fetched a 1st and more. Because he needed $83m BB only netted a 2nd.

 

[Jimke]

I don't see them getting better replacements for Lewis, Butler or Amendola either.

Edit: Not to mention Garoppolo. That kid has a very bright future.

Edelman is a pretty good replacement for Amendola. Amendola was slated to be
the #4 or #5 receiver. Gilmore replaced Butler as the #1 cornerback. McCourty
will probably be the #2 cornerback. Don't know if he is as good as Butler but he
did have a better season than Butler last year. I will miss Lewis's ability to avoid
tacklers but expect Burkhead and White can do a reasonable job replacing him.

Like you, I will miss all of these guys. They were the heroes of past Superbowls.

 

[NormZauchin]

A big part of the problem with Bedard's speculation was in him citing a “Bill Belichick-friendly source” in saying when Belichick begins to contemplate life without a given player he in turn "warms up" to the idea of not having him. Essentially Bedard was using that twisted phrase to justify his interpretation of Belichick's mind set. What the hell is a “Bill Belichick-friendly source” exactly? Anyone that once said something nice about him? That could qualify my cleaning lady as Bedard's source. Given the dearth of info and a desire for clicks there's no sin in Bedard speculating. Couching it in such a way as to intimate his speculation is based on some insider knowledge of Belichick's mind set is another thing entirely.

A "Belichick-friendly source" is the janitor in the Naval Academy's locker room when BB's dad was assistant coach for the football team.