Report: Talib, Sherman 'have their eye on Patriots'

[fnordcircle]

That was my guess. T. Flowers was my other candidate.

Yeah I'm pretty ok with any order people want to give for our top 3 guys. Gilmore is actually kinda close now. Hard to not put him in my top 5.

 

[maineman209]

Between the two....give me Talib...he's cheaper, knows the AFC, and played in our system before. Although, I don't like giving the Broncos any compensation.... but if we could trade a late pick for him...and restructure his 2018 salary of 8M by converting it into a signing bonus...we could walk away in 2019 with a 4M dead money hit.....about 2.22% of an expected 180M cap in 2019.

If the most recent reports (rumors) are correct, both will be cut within the next couple of days. The Pats wouldn't need to trade anything and could create cap-friendly deals from scratch.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

So is there any universe where we can field a secondary of Gilmore Sherman and Talib?

 

[VectorPrime]

So is there any universe where we can field a secondary of Gilmore Sherman and Talib?

Too much money in one position.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Too much money in one position.

What kind of money do you think is realistic for Talib and or Sherman?
7 Million?

 

[maineman209]

What kind of money do you think is realistic for Talib and or Sherman?
7 Million?

Somewhere in that neighborhood, I'd think. Better things to spend it on, though.

 

[maust]

So is there any universe where we can field a secondary of Gilmore Sherman and Talib?

Yep, there's 2.
The 1st is Felgmazzland where 'The Cap is Crap"
The other is Stevensonia. One of the immutable laws in that universe holds that the other 31 teams are required at all times to be in 'cap hell' but the Pats are immune.

 

[Uptown]

McCourty.

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Yeah, McCourty is critical. He’s very underrated. People somehow still can’t comprehend this fact. Elite safeties are more valuable than elite corners, IMHO.

 

[HailHydra]

Yeah, McCourty is critical. He’s very underrated. Elite safeties are more valuable than elite contents, IMHO. People somehow still seem to comprehend this fact.

He has been on a slight decline recently though - but that may have just been the overall level of the defense.

 

[jah]

Yeah, McCourty is critical. He’s very underrated. Elite safeties are more valuable than elite contents, IMHO. People somehow still seem to comprehend this fact.

I think this post contains multiple typos but I completely agree with what I think you meant. Give me elite safeties and average corners over elite corners and average safeties every damn day.

Unless you have 2009 Revis on one side, 2010 Revis on the other, and a clone of one of the former 2 Revises in the slot, your corners WILL be burned, and if you don't have the right guys behind the play, you are about as ****ed as a defense can possibly be.

 

[Kontradiction]

He has been on a slight decline recently though - but that may have just been the overall level of the defense.

People were saying that about him in 2012, 2013, and early 2014 as well. When the defense plays well, people suddenly have no problem with McCourty. When it doesn't, he is suddenly upgradable. McCourty is one of the best safeties in the league. The Pats misused him at times last year having him in the box. He excels as a deep safety where his range can disrupt patterns and result in turnovers.

 

[Uptown]

I think this post contains multiple typos but I completely agree with what I think you meant. Give me elite safeties and average corners over elite corners and average safeties every damn day.

Unless you have 2009 Revis on one side, 2010 Revis on the other, and a clone of one of the former 2 Revises in the slot, your corners WILL be burned, and if you don't have the right guys behind the play, you are about as ****ed as a defense can possibly be.

Whew, that was ugly. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Uptown]

Somebody posted this on Instagram lol

 

[maineman209]

Yeah, McCourty is critical. He’s very underrated. People somehow still can’t comprehend this fact. Elite safeties are more valuable than elite corners, IMHO.

Elite safeties, even very good ones, are also exceedingly difficult to find in the draft, even in the 1st round. The typically mediocre leftovers after the 1st round can sometimes be developed into good safeties, but it often takes a couple three years.

[SIDEBAR: The Pats aren't the only team that's failed miserably with 2nd-round safeties multiple times.]

Good safeties are so scarce that teams will frequently draft good CBs who are on the slow side, but who have good instincts, coverage skills and tackling skills, and convert them to safety, if they're big enough.

 

[HailHydra]

Somebody posted this on Instagram lol

Somehow I can imagine that

 

[FCB02062]

Don't want either of these guys unless they play special teams, went to Rutgers or Alabama, and they don't freelance....

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Somewhere in that llneighborhood, I'd think. Better things to

Don't want either of these guys unless they play special teams, went to Rutgers or Alabama, and they don't freelance....

Is this a joke?

 

[maineman209]

??? What part of that is a joke?

I doubt that either Sherman or Talib would go any lower than $7M (guaranteed) to sign with the Pats. The Pats would probably try to work out a Revis-style deal (at lower amounts) to keep the 2018 cap hit around $5M or less on a "pretend" 2-year contract.

Frankly, if they're going to spend $7M or more in guaranteed money for a veteran addition to the defense, I'd rather they spent it on Poe. The DL needs the experienced, quality help way more than the secondary does.

 

[VectorPrime]

I will not accept a secondary where either Rowe or Jones are the number 2 corner.

 

[HailHydra]

??? What part of that is a joke?

I doubt that either Sherman or Talib would go any lower than $7M (guaranteed) to sign with the Pats. The Pats would probably try to work out a Revis-style deal (at lower amounts) to keep the 2018 cap hit around $5M or less on a "pretend" 2-year contract.

Frankly, if they're going to spend $7M or more in guaranteed money for a veteran addition to the defense, I'd rather they spent it on Poe. The DL needs the experienced, quality help way more than the secondary does.

I think that letting Nate Solder go in free agency could open up the opportunity to look at BOTH options. I'm not a fan of what his current value on the market is, so I feel the Patriots might re-sign Waddle/Fleming instead