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Honestly so does Carson Wentz but there's not a head coach ours included who wouldn't oust their QB for that skill set to always make a play whether it's with his head arm or legs.

Huh?

Belichick just opted for Brady over Garrapolo.
 
Foles makes the Bills better. I do not disagree with that. While Tyrod has shown as times the makings of a decent QB (not great), the ceiling of the Bills with him as QB, I think, is barely making playoffs.

My disagreement with your post is regarding "Why not offer a 1st and 3rd and just be done with it? Foles is an enormous upgrade to Taylor. Overvaluing draft picks won't get them anywhere."
-I do not think any team can ever be competitive by undervaluing draft picks. Giving up a 1st and a 3rd for Nick Foles and his cap hit is a vast over-payment for essentially a couple year rental IMO.
-If you draft a QB in the first you have the QB under contract for 5 years (assuming 1st round pick) for about 7-8 m year (based on Forbes reporting on Mitch Trubisky's contract in 2017).
-Also, if a team trusts their coaching staff and scouting team, they also have the opportunity to mold the QB to fit their system better.
-Finally, I do NOT think that the Bills are only a QB away from being competitive (defined as playoff contender and having a good (read: more than just plain luck) chance of winning a game or two in the playoffs). Furthermore, I think they can use the picks that they have to gather the extra pieces.


Overall, if Bills can get Foles for a 2nd rounder, I think that is a good trade for them and they should make that trade. That is good value. I disagree that a 1st an a 3rd rounder for the services of Foles is a good trade.

Desperation virtually never pays off.

That's a pretty fair take. Thanks for taking the time to write up your thoughts. :)

While you have some solid reasoning, I disagree on two points: 1) I believe that the Bills are a solid team with talent at multiple positions. Their defense is much improved recently, and aside from quarterback, they don't have too many gaping holes in the roster. Sure, they could improve, but I think they're on the right track, considering they made the playoffs for the first time in what seems like forever. A good quarterback who can sustain drives would mask some of their other issues.

2) I believe that the draft is highly overrated (despite spending most of my time in the draft subforum). Hit rates aren't fantastic, first of all. Second, a normal draft is seven slots, while the training camp roster is ninety players -- obviously, there's a greater ratio of free agents, trades, and undrafted free agents that go into roster building. There's no guarantee that the guy they take in the first round is going to amount to anything at all, anyway. Third, no rookie quarterback has ever started the Super Bowl, let alone won the game. That puts them at least two years out from true contention if they take a rookie. Fans and the staff have had a taste of success; do they really want to start over?

What happens if their picks look like their 2016 draft, which is only two years ago? Their first round pick has been largely invisible due to injury, they got a decent rotational DT in the third, and the rest of the players are no longer on the roster, including their second pick (41 overall). Sure, you can say it was a different GM, but that same story is repeated all over the entire league. Sometimes you find a string of impactful players, but other times you end up with virtually nothing. Why not roll with the proven commodity?

Winning solves virtually everything. No one cares now that we surrendered a first round pick for Belichick. The same would be true if the Bills acquired Foles and he played at a high level for the next 5 - 7 years. Now, as to the compensation itself, perhaps they can get by with only a first, instead of a first and a third. My point is more that if they like him enough to offer a second, then don't skimp on the offer. Just get it done and don't get greedy just because draft picks are looked at as such valuable commodities.

All they really represent are hope. Better to have a quarterback.
 
Wentz is a different animal if your starting a NFL franchise you might start with Wentz I would.

If JG can sustain his level of play over a season then there is no way I go with Wentz. Big if.
 
Wentz is a different animal if your starting a NFL franchise you might start with Wentz I would.


And we can trade for Aaron Donald too, and OBJ, and and all sorts a guys......
 
Jimmy G Rings = 2
Nick Foles Rings = 1

2 --> 2nd rd
1 --> 1st rd
 
The Pats needed him to get through 4 games and he couldnt get through 2. This is fact. He repeatedly got himself into dangerous situations in 6 quarters of play and that one time he could not get out of it.

Do with that what you want but as we all know availability is at least as important as ability for the coaching staff here.

Agreed, he had no business trying to extend that play that end up a completion for almost nothing in the middle of the field while leading the game for 3 scores or something. I can understand if it's a 4th down losing the game with 1 minute left, that was just bad situational football and bad judgement.
 
You post makes no sense at all. At the point where JG was traded he had 1.5 games of real football played. Foles has much more than that and has performed error-free on the biggest stage possible and got a SB MVP for that. Of course there will be a bigger return for Foles than JG.

Thank you...if Jimmy G has a year next year like Foles' first year, he'll be lauded as the next coming of Brady by almost every sportscaster.
 
He was a league MVP candidate in 2013 with only 2 INTs. That's an incredible TD/INT ratio. Bradyesque.

In the right system, he's not a back up, but his play will probably seen as mediocre as the RPo gimmick offense he ends up using, gets exposed once more of it ends up on film.

Saying he was Vince Ferragamo or something, is completely disingenuous.

Is RPO Foles’ scheme or Peterson’s?
 
imo, i think pederson allowed foles to be himself in the rpo which is smart, but i don’t see wentz as a pure rpo guy. so, i would guess part of their playbook is a bit rpo and the rest more involved for wentz’s skill set.

just my .02

They were using the RPO stuff when Wentz was in there.

The Eagles Can Beat You in Every Which Way
The Eagles’ “college offense” under Pederson peppers in read-option run plays, run-pass options, and a handful of quarterback keepers with plenty of “pro” concepts that ask Wentz to drop back and make throws from the pocket. It’s the marriage of these two styles that fits the young quarterback’s skill set perfectly, much like we’ve seen in Kansas City and saw in Houston before Deshaun Watson tore his ACL.

On one play, we’ll see Wentz run a perfectly executed “RPO,” confusing the defense with the threat of a run before lofting a pass downfield, as he did midway through the first quarter.
 
A second for that scrub is insane. Just the Bills being the Bills. It's not that Belichick is a genius, it's that everyone else is really stupid. This is perfect example. Or the Jags throwing their chances to compete for a title out the window with that moronic Bortles deal. Patriots were ripe for the picking. Them getting demolished by the pitiful Nick Foles proved it. A decent QB on Jacksonville wins the Jags the AFC Championship last year and they probably roll the Eagles in the SuperBowl.
 
How long will fans beat up BB for this trade?? A lot had to do with timing of the deal. If he were to stay with the Pats, Foles may have risen to the top and have gone to San Fran and JG's value may have been less.

If Foles goes to the Bills, then it will once again be the Bills being the Bills.. there is no guarantee that he will be able to replicate his success on that team... Foles has only played 39 games, he will be an upgrade, but not sure how much.

Then there are all the unsubstantiated rumors that team ______ was going to give up two first rounders for Jimmy G... started mostly by guys who were let go by team _____...

One of the things that strikes me about the NFL is how low the trade value is for certain players, think most teams are still suffering from PTSDT from the Herschel Walker trade..

When Jimmy G was traded to the 49'ers they were 1 & 10, when he took over they wound up 6 & 10... so the initial value of the trade went from about a 34th pick to the 43rd.... not sure anyone expected that.
 
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