Mike Perreira on the Clement "TD"

[DarrylS]

The Pats lost this game and no amount of hand wringing will ever change that.. but there were questionable calls that could have gone either way, unfortunately they went the Eagles way that game.. was it intentional???? Who knows..

Would the outcome may have been different if these calls went our way:

The Illegal Formation on the "Philly Special" , "greatest superbowl play of all time" (Foles TD)should have been called back..
The PI by Malcolm Jenkins on Chris Hogan during the Hail Mary play.. that would have resulted in one more play from the about the 35 yard line..

It seems ludicrous that the NFL calls all games by the "rules" all season long, and then allows the players to "play" in the Superbowl.. makes no sense, perhaps an officiating issue is consistency..

 

[upstater1]

No they wouldn't have. It was a clear TD. Not sure what Collingsworth was confused about except that he clearly doesn't understand the rule.

Rest assured there would have been an uproar if the Patriots had made those plays.

 

[ivanvamp]

I’m not one to buy into the full blown conspiracy theories, but I can also understand the bias that may go into giving the underdog (or anti-NE team) the benefit of the doubt on borderline 50/50 calls. We’ve seen it before. It’s not terribly surprising.

That said, I honestly thought that the calls against us were acceptable enough that I’m not going to complain too much. I think any one of those 3 TDs in question could’ve gone the other way and that does piss me off, but ultimately, I think there were much bigger factors including the fact that Philly played a good game and we had no answer for most of what they were doing.

I think the thing is that all three of those calls went to Philly. It's one thing if they "even out". But it's kind of like a team fumbling three times and all three times they get the ball back. The trick play was a penalty that wasn't called. The Clement touchdown was an incomplete pass that they incorrectly called complete. And the Ertz TD - well, THAT was a legit touchdown but of course that easily could have been called incomplete. So they got two TDs they shouldn't have received. They correctly got a third that they should have, but which easily could not have.

The only break they didn't get was on the tipped INT by Harmon, but that was essentially a punt.

 

[ivanvamp]

The Pats lost this game and no amount of hand wringing will ever change that.. but there were questionable calls that could have gone either way, unfortunately they went the Eagles way that game.. was it intentional???? Who knows..

Would the outcome may have been different if these calls went our way:

The Illegal Formation on the "Philly Special" , "greatest superbowl play of all time" (Foles TD)should have been called back..
The PI by Malcolm Jenkins on Chris Hogan during the Hail Mary play.. that would have resulted in one more play from the about the 35 yard line..

It seems ludicrous that the NFL calls all games by the "rules" all season long, and then allows the players to "play" in the Superbowl.. makes no sense, perhaps an officiating issue is consistency..

The Hogan call...that one pisses me off more and more. I know that people rightly say "they never call PI on a hail mary" and yeah, I get that. But that's when a pile of guys are clawing at each other as they jump for the ball. That's NOT when, in the wide open in front of the official, a defender absolutely decks a receiver running downfield. And I haven't seen the all 22 but was the ball in the air at that point? If so, the Pats would have gotten another shot at about the 20 or 30, which is NOT a hail mary - that's a point on the field you can run a legit pass pattern.

Moreover, on the hail mary, the play that was run is that the ball is thrown deep and tipped back to a guy coming into the play - Hogan. By decking him, they knock him out of the play.

It probably wouldn't have changed the game, but you never know and it's just frustrating that a blatant, obvious, objective penalty like that wasn't called.

 

[primetime]

The illegal formation didn't change anything. The guy was half a yard off the LOS. Whatever. If you want to blame someone for that play, blame Eric Lee, who just stood there transfixed staring into the backfield while Foles squirted out behind him.

I thought the Clement call was close enough that it could have gone either way. Didn't bother me much. Possession determination is all mystical voodoo anyhow. ~Were man and ball forever as one?~

 

[primetime]

The Hogan call...that one pisses me off more and more. I know that people rightly say "they never call PI on a hail mary" and yeah, I get that. But that's when a pile of guys are clawing at each other as they jump for the ball. That's NOT when, in the wide open in front of the official, a defender absolutely decks a receiver running downfield. And I haven't seen the all 22 but was the ball in the air at that point? If so, the Pats would have gotten another shot at about the 20 or 30, which is NOT a hail mary - that's a point on the field you can run a legit pass pattern.

Moreover, on the hail mary, the play that was run is that the ball is thrown deep and tipped back to a guy coming into the play - Hogan. By decking him, they knock him out of the play.

It probably wouldn't have changed the game, but you never know and it's just frustrating that a blatant, obvious, objective penalty like that wasn't called.

It would have been illegal contact. 5 yards and one more chance. Not DPI. At best maybe they determine it's egregipus and call unsportsmanlike and you get 15 instead, but I've never seen that.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The PI by Malcolm Jenkins on Chris Hogan during the Hail Mary play.. that would have resulted in one more play from the about the 35 yard line.

If you're going to complain about that, then you need to acknowledge Gronk's huge, blatant push-off on his man on his way down the field. So offsetting penalties and the game is over anyways.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Moreover, on the hail mary, the play that was run is that the ball is thrown deep and tipped back to a guy coming into the play - Hogan.

Given how badly Gronk mistimed his tip-drill jump, it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The illegal formation didn't change anything. The guy was half a yard off the LOS. Whatever. If you want to blame someone for that play, blame Eric Lee, who just stood there transfixed staring into the backfield while Foles squirted out behind him.

Yeah, really. It was such a slow-developing play I'm amazed (and disappointed) they were fooled. Foles drifts back into semi-shotgun formation (he needed to not be under center to be an eligible receiver). Then he slowwwwwwly drifts to the right, in plain view of everyone, leaving the other player all alone in the shotgun QB position.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Yeah, really. It was such a slow-developing play I'm amazed (and disappointed) they were fooled. Foles drifts back into semi-shotgun formation (he needed to not be under center to be an eligible receiver). Then he slowwwwwwly drifts to the right, in plain view of everyone, leaving the other player all alone in the shotgun QB position.

That's the whole reason why they were fooled. Some of you have a hard time tipping the cap toward the opponent.

It was a play they'd never run, it was a 4th down, and it was gutty on their part. One of many gutty, aggressive calls that worked and helped them win. We're not used to seeing teams be so aggressive and no one would have stopped that play. Great play design.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

That is exactly what I thought at the time. Was I hoping Pats would get lucky and the TD be overturned sure. But I didn't expect it, and I wasn't really upset at the time.

Basically, if you have to watch a play 10 times in super slow motion to think it should be overturned. It doesn't deserve to be overturned.

That front view replay told me all I needed to know. My gf even knew it and she si nowhere near a fan like me. Christ, my 75 year old mom at a different house completely, knew it was incomplete. As did Collinsworth (who hates us) and Al Michaels.

Clear as day..The ball moves and there is air seen between his hands for a split second. Only 1 foot down.

No catch.

I know the rules. And, when there is a great replay to use to see what happened, that's what replay is for.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Honestly I'm confused by your standards.

It seems you are saying that when a WR catches the ball and bobbles it slightly it doesn't count as possession.

But when a RB loses control of the ball, but then momentarily pins it to his knee, only to lose it when he goes to the ground, that does count possession.

That doesn't make sense.

Dion Lewis had already possessed the ball. The LB tried to pop it loose and it didn't work until Lewis was down on his back.

With Clement, he clearly didn't have possession and 2 feet down.

Just because something happens fast, doesn't mean it never happened. lmao

Glad I could help you with the rules.

 

[luuked]

Care to explain how the holding call in last years SB fits in to your theory?

And on the OL holding call the refs missed a face mask by Logan Ryan who was also facemasked by Sanu. If they call this it ends up being offsetting penalties and they get a repeat attempt on third down without the penalty distance.

Things happen.. last year it worked out in our favor, this year it didnt. Whatever.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

The league clearly responds to the idiots on social media. If Gronk made the Ertz play they would have to call it incomplete.

Exactly. Thank you.

Goodell is one of the worst leaders I've ever witnessed. Good leaders don't listen to the masses. They lead and make good decisions based on what is right and what is wrong.

Leading by a "perception" is not only dangerous, it's always a failure.

The ratings continue to plummet for a reason.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

And on the OL holding call the refs missed a face mask by Logan Ryan who was also facemasked by Sanu. If they call this it ends up being offsetting penalties and they get a repeat attempt on third down without the penalty distance.

Things happen.. last year it worked out in our favor, this year it didnt. Whatever.

"Worked out", or would ticky tack calls in a Super Bowl, after Brady's 4 game suspension when Goodell was caught cheating in a federal court,have looked too obvious?

Hmmm.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Pretty close though. My brother can't stand the guy and I'm usually "meh" on him but he was getting on my nerves that game. "Dude just stop talking".

Romo is way worse than Collinsworth in that regard.

 

[ivanvamp]

If you're going to complain about that, then you need to acknowledge Gronk's huge, blatant push-off on his man on his way down the field. So offsetting penalties and the game is over anyways.

Offsetting penalties means you replay the down, so the Pats would have gotten another shot at it.

Given how badly Gronk mistimed his tip-drill jump, it wouldn't have mattered.

I don't disagree with that...just like the Eagle WR being off the line on the trick play didn't really actually impact the play, yet it still should have been called.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I can just see the links to this thread posted on other fan boards, "Pats fans still crazy and whining after SB loss...fun to read," accompanied by all the nasty stuff we usually say when we post links to other teams' boards when they're blaming everything but their own team's play for a loss.

The Patriots wasted the GOAT's all time great SB performance by getting out-played, out-smarted and out-coached on D and by sub-par ST play. Sure, a couple of calls could/should have gone the other way, but they don't explain the loss.

Stop embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us!

 

[Chris Stevenson]

I can just see the links to this thread posted on other fan boards, "Pats fans still crazy and whining after SB loss...fun to read," accompanied by all the nasty stuff we usually say when we post links to other teams' boards when they're blaming everything but their own team's play for a loss.

The Patriots wasted the GOAT's all time great SB performance by getting out-played, out-smarted and out-coached on D and by sub-par ST play. Sure, a couple of calls could/should have gone the other way, but they don't explain the loss.

Stop embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us!

I don't think owners calling up Goodell for the last 10 years to get him to jump when they say so, is embarrassing for us at all. It shows a pattern of cheating from 345 Park Ave. The entitled, silver spooned loser/2nd gen Daddy's boy owners are the ones who should be embarrassed.

Have you been asleep the last 10+ years?

This isn't about losing. This is about known cheating going on to the point it does affect our team in competitive sport.

Stop embarrassing YOURSELF.

PS Santa Claus isn't real.

 

[Clonamery]

I can just see the links to this thread posted on other fan boards, "Pats fans still crazy and whining after SB loss...fun to read," accompanied by all the nasty stuff we usually say when we post links to other teams' boards when they're blaming everything but their own team's play for a loss.

The Patriots wasted the GOAT's all time great SB performance by getting out-played, out-smarted and out-coached on D and by sub-par ST play. Sure, a couple of calls could/should have gone the other way, but they don't explain the loss.

Stop embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us!

There will always be posts and threads that embarrass and call into question a person’s dignity. Asking people to check their intelligence and/or emotion at the door ain’t easy for any fan base. That you can contain yourself should be enough for you to claim victory ...the rest of us be damned.