Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[mosslost]

missing exponent

ex·po·nent

ikˈspōnənt,ˈekspōnənt/

noun

1. 1.

a person who believes in and promotes the truth or benefits of an idea or theory.

"an early exponent of the teachings of Thomas Aquinas"

synonyms:

advocate, supporter, proponent, upholder, backer, defender, champion; More

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2. 2.

MATHEMATICS

a quantity representing the power to which a given number or expression is to be raised, usually expressed as a raised symbol beside the number or expression (e.g., 3 in 23 = 2 × 2 × 2).

 

[Soliel]

Right. The math does not work

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Yea like I've been saying since Monday, both BB and Malcolm are lying

They're absolutely both lying because there is no point in rehashing whatever went down, to make one another look bad or unprofessional.

I just think it's funny the people who think Butler did nothing wrong here on top of playing and practicing like crap, where he is some kind of victim.

(Speculation) - I also bet Gilmore's game ending play vs Jax sent Butler into a jealous rage afterwards.

 

[zydecochris]

BB trying something unorthodox on D in a key game can almost be expected.

Remember putting Rodney Harrison at cornerback (covering Marvin Harrison), not safety, and playing Ty Law at safety, not corner, vs. the Colts?

The Colts were dumbfounded. Marvin Harrison was blasted over and over and made one catch for 6 yards in the first half and finished with only 3 catches for 19 yards. Law had three interceptions. Rodney Harrison had a game-high 10 tackles, an interception and forced a fumble on Marvin Harrison.

The mystifying thing, of course, is that when your unorthodox strategy in not working, why won't you change it?

I'd guess that we won't know that, ever.

I think BB did have a clear reason of starting out the way he did, whether it was schematic, Butler's poor practices, or a combination of these.

And, as you say, normally no one is better than BB at changing strategy in real time when it isn't working. Why didn't he?

IMHO the reason he didn't change it this time was Butler's drama queen crying fit at the beginning of the game. For a coach that is all about being professional and "doing your job", I can't imaging anything that would piss him off more. If it hadn't been for that, I think BB would have changed strategy and at least seen what Butler could do (just like he did in the Seattle Super Bowl). After the crying fit in front of everybody, I think BB would have played Adam Butler before Malcolm Butler at cornerback.

 

[voluntarysaftey]

The sad part of all this is (other than losing the sb) that Butler will probably end up signing for a reasonable deal as he had an off year, and I'd bet he's likely to bounce back to CB1 status.
So by messing around with him in the offseason (instead of simply telling him he's unfortunately stuck and not playing the whole New Orleans game) and then benching him in the SB, there is now zero chance he signs with us.

 

[patriot1136]

We’re not ever going to know.

The reason I think there’s something important we don’t know is because of this.

They refused to adjust and use butler. This makes no sense with the info we have. Now, this idea that the game plan was set and the players used were the best idea to win stuff refused to balance in my mind. If there is no info out there then I have to feel the game was intentionally thrown. That does not compute at all

Nothing new really. Just wanted to explain why I think there’s a missing exponent.

Any time stuffs not working they change it over and over till something works better. Butler not being used or even tried screams

definitely agree with you on all of this. The Pats are known to make "second half adjustments" as well as adjustments period. They are a smart team and well coached because they are adaptable. Doesn't seem like they adjusted much in the Super Bowl

 

[supafly]

They're absolutely both lying because there is no point in rehashing whatever went down, to make one another look bad or unprofessional.

I just think it's funny the people who think Butler did nothing wrong here on top of playing and practicing like crap, where he is some kind of victim.

(Speculation) - I also bet Gilmore's game ending play vs Jax sent Butler into a jealous rage afterwards.

I agree with your first two paragraphs, but your third seems to be quite a reach, at least in my opinion.

 

[IllegalContact]

there is only one bottom line

the pats had the ability to make an adjustment to try to help them win the game and they chose not to take it. It is a very reasonable expectation that Butler could have helped the game situation by upgrading the coverage ability of the secondary. The Pats refused to try that adjustment even though they could have.

They could have done something and CHOSE to do nothing.

 

[IllegalContact]

probably. and then a bunch of insecure board bullies, whose lives revolve around this very board, will swoop in and tell everyone what to think since they have “been here longer”.

talk about projecting yourself

 

[Steve102]

I am desperately hoping/waiting for some mysterious piece of information to emerge.

Your post on the last page keeps me from reading the other 176, looking for some new tidbit of news. Thanks for that.

I'm gonna hold my breath until we get answers, d%#*!@t! I'll be the the bald, blue guy in the corner if BB's looking for me.

 

[Quest4SevenHomie]

Are any of the reports true about Butler? Even if he didn't practice well, since when is that causation to bench them for the entire game? And why didn't Patricia make any adjustments during half time?

I feel like Belichick wanted to lose this on purpose. He just didn't care. Kinda of saw it on their body language, especially Brady's, in the locker room and on the field.

We wore the white jerseys (we're supposed to be undefeated in those!!) and madden predicted that we were going to win....and yet, WE STILL LOST!!

This was the easiet Super Bowl we were going to have, literally. And we blew it. We-we blew it over some damn trivial beef that we will probably never know about.

 

[Soliel]

there is only one bottom line

the pats had the ability to make an adjustment to try to help them win the game and they chose not to take it. It is a very reasonable expectation that Butler could have helped the game situation by upgrading the coverage ability of the secondary. The Pats refused to try that adjustment even though they could have.

They could have done something and CHOSE to do nothing.

That’s the crazy thing too. Butler would have made a couple passes be incomplete you’d think. Even if he broke up two passes more than what happened. Pats win that game

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I think BB did have a clear reason of starting out the way he did, whether it was schematic, Butler's poor practices, or a combination of these.

And, as you say, normally no one is better than BB at changing strategy in real time when it isn't working. Why didn't he?

IMHO the reason he didn't change it this time was Butler's drama queen crying fit at the beginning of the game. For a coach that is all about being professional and "doing your job", I can't imaging anything that would piss him off more. If it hadn't been for that, I think BB would have changed strategy and at least seen what Butler could do (just like he did in the Seattle Super Bowl). After the crying fit in front of everybody, I think BB would have played Adam Butler before Malcolm Butler at cornerback.

That's ridiculous. He went about it the wrong way. He should have started butler period. It's not surprising they went right after Rowe in the first drive.

 

[aluminum seats]

I am desperately hoping/waiting for some mysterious piece of information to emerge.

Let me put your mind at ease: it never will.

 

[Soliel]

Let me put your mind at ease: it never will.

Let’s just be like the herald and make up stuff.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The Pats Doesn't seem like they adjusted much in the Super Bowl

They did offensively

 

[PatsDeb]

The sad part of all this is (other than losing the sb) that Butler will probably end up signing for a reasonable deal as he had an off year, and I'd bet he's likely to bounce back to CB1 status.
So by messing around with him in the offseason (instead of simply telling him he's unfortunately stuck and not playing the whole New Orleans game) and then benching him in the SB, there is now zero chance he signs with us.

I don't think there's any way BB wanted him back anyway. That's another reason the refusal to play him in the SB is so maddening. He's out of here anyway. Whatever you don't like about him or his game, you'll never have to see him again. So try to win the game! GRRRR.

 

[TBR]

Are any of the reports true about Butler? Even if he didn't practice well, since when is that causation to bench them for the entire game? And why didn't Patricia make any adjustments during half time?

I feel like Belichick wanted to lose this on purpose. He just didn't care. Kinda of saw it on their body language, especially Brady's, in the locker room and on the field.

We wore the white jerseys (we're supposed to be undefeated in those!!) and madden predicted that we were going to win....and yet, WE STILL LOST!!

This was the easiet Super Bowl we were going to have, literally. And we blew it. We-we blew it over some damn trivial beef that we will probably never know about.

You saw losing/"didn't care" body language in Brady? Hell no.

 

[jimnance]

L

I wish they would have tried something else.

Let’s just be like the herald and make up stuff.

That's pretty much what a lot of y'all have been doing for the last 177 pages.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The sad part of all this is (other than losing the sb) that Butler will probably end up signing for a reasonable deal as he had an off year, and I'd bet he's likely to bounce back to CB1 status.
So by messing around with him in the offseason (instead of simply telling him he's unfortunately stuck and not playing the whole New Orleans game) and then benching him in the SB, there is now zero chance he signs with us.

Supposedly the Pats made him a generous offer, this is the writers words, not mine, and butler thought he should get more. I forget now who said that the other day, might have been holly but not 100% sure. Id like to know how much it was and how much he ultimately ends up getting.