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I'm not speculating with the following statement. I'm just responding to your "accommodation" comment:

My definition of commitment to team doesn't include needlessly pissing away your best opportunity to win a SB because you have a hair across your ass about a player who you can move on from in about 12 hours. If Bill's definition does include that, he needs to change his definition.
Unfortunately Roger Goodell has eviscerated the meaning of the word but part of being a leader is having the integrity to stand behind your principles.

We have no clue what happened and really shouldn’t be speculating any way but speculating that the unknown reason should have been ignored leaves our way too much information.
 
I'm not speculating with the following statement. I'm just responding to your "accommodation" comment:

My definition of commitment to team doesn't include needlessly pissing away your best opportunity to win a SB because you have a hair across your ass about a player who you can move on from in about 12 hours.

If even half of the reports are true, that is not on bb with any hairs across his ass. Numerous insider comments talked about butler’s issues and causing problems, so his just sort of verifies that truth.

Any pats fan not admitting disappointment with butler, if this stuff is true, is sort of being disingenuous. The only guy able to even think of getting away with those behaviors, is brady, and even i question that. Bb would have likely dealt brady at the deadline if something like that was going down, where brady was leveraging his legacy for selfish reason$.
 
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#Patriots cornerback Johnson Bademosi didn’t love the idea of a crowd closing in on him. “I ain’t got nothing for you. I don’t owe you guys ****,” he said, then left.

Not a good look, but to be fair, when the coaches give out the non-answers they have thus far, it leaves the players in a bad spot. Not a great look.
 
I agree with you, but technically what he was using is completely legal, whereas actual weed isn't in many places. The NFL also suspends players for marijuana usage, but not "spice," as they call it.

It's an indictment of our drug laws and the priorities of NFL teams and the league itself, though, as what you said about the relative safety of the two substances is absolutely true. Spice is essentially potpourri sprayed with various chemicals. But that's why Jones faced no real discipline for that transgression.

I'm not saying Belichick is callous, but he certainly doesn't seem to have much regard for the player in these situations. He cares more about how the player's actions impact the team. That's been his operating procedure since he got to NE


Sure it is, when your kicker was 92.5% for the season and you've had minimal special teams miscues throughout he season and every other aspect of special teams is solid. They were 2-for-3 on field goals and the snap was bobbled. That's the type of thing that happens sometimes in big games.

As far as game situations and how they would differ based on hypotheticals, that's a futile endeavor, considering we just have no idea what would have happened. You really can't definitively say how things would have changed.

It's nitpicky, in my opinion, because the game wasn't won or lost based on that four points. That much we can definitively say, considering the final margin was eight points. You simply can't assume anything and I don't think those miscues should be mentioned in the same breathe as the defensive struggles.

However, we're really getting into a lot of subjective, hypothetical stuff here. You have a right to express your opinion and perhaps you're right. I just prefer to focus on what wasn't a fluke, which is to say the defensive performance.

Even so. If bill failed to act and anyone found out. DOPEGAte ... dirty pats cheating using and smoking drugs. Roger takes away four million draft picks

Butler took away this championship
 
Clearly there was a reason butler was benched. Clearly it wasn’t because the best defense we could put on the field, whatever those issues aside, was one that had butler playing zero snaps.
Maybe B.B. did do wrong but if B.B. made this decision based upon the framework he has set up in this franchise and this was discipline consistent with what he has always done worth resoect to the violation then no its not wrong.

I’m not exactly sure what your argument is other than we lost so who can I blame.

Do you know how much this sounded like "if the President does it, then it's not illegal".

My argument is that Butler is clearly our second best CB, he didn't play at all, nobody on the team expected it to go down like that, the Eagles torched our secondary and we couldn't get a single stop, and they still didn't even bother to give Butler a single snap to see if he would be a better option.
 
BB send his message and the iggles dropped 41 on his defense. Funny thing's that they did nothing to try and create some pressure. Not one blitz. Nothing. Nick Foles beat his defense.
 
His defense got torched in the secondary and they had their second best CB on the sideline crying because he just found out moments before the game that he wouldn't be playing. Meanwhile another CB found out right after the national anthem that he was starting.

So much for standards, principles, and rules. Even if you believe 100% in your heart that Belichick thought Butler not being out there before the game gave them a better chance to win... they were getting destroyed, why not give him a series and see if he's better?

I know you think Belichick can't do anything wrong, but this game hurt his legacy

So missing flights, meetings snd curfews while hammered all week, shows commitment to the team?

Again, torrey smith was shut down in the game, so the pats did not miss butler.

THat was not the problem. The problem was the bizarre idea rowe didn’t need harmon or mccourty over the top to eliminate jeffrey.

Gilmore would have isolated agoholor and chung was doing a number on ertz, which is technically foles’s favorite read. Focus on these decisions as to where bb erred, not the benching of a guy almost begging to be cut during sb week itself.
 
For the sake of debate, if you are Bill and your star CB is missing flights, getting baked, missing curfew and not 100% committing himself to winning you would still start him in the Super Bowl?
I thought it had been established that he missed the flight because of the flu.
 
Unfortunately Roger Goodell has eviscerated the meaning of the word but part of being a leader is having the integrity to stand behind your principles.

And part of being a leader is knowing when, and how, to stand behind your principles.

We have no clue what happened and really shouldn’t be speculating any way but speculating that the unknown reason should have been ignored leaves our way too much information.

I didn't speculate. I made it abundantly clear what my post was targeted at.
 
I am not buying that story with the drugs. He would have been inactive.

Not with jon jones (emerging slot cb) done for the year. If chung could not come back and bademosi, rowe or bademosi got hurt, bb would not have another body available, but then the narrative would have been how dumb he was for making him inactive.
 
Yeah, we know what kinda flu he had
 
BB send his message and the iggles dropped 41 on his defense. Funny thing's that they did nothing to try and create some pressure. Not one blitz. Nothing. Nick Foles beat his defense.
Who knows what happened. All I know is that from now on when people talk about Bill Belichick's legacy as a coach... there is going to be a portion in there of

"Despite his defensive genius his defense got obliterated in Super Bowl 52 by a back up QB, while everyone questioned why his Super Bowl hero starting QB was informed right before the national anthem that he wasn't playing. And even though his star HOF QB played the best statistical Super Bowl of his career and broke the record for most yards a year after setting it, the team couldn't overcome his defense allowing 41 points on the board".
 
Not with jon jones (emerging slot cb) done for the year. If chung could not come back and bademosi, rowe or bademosi got hurt, bb would not have another body available, but then the narrative would have been how dumb he was for making him inactive.

Either way you play the guy. He wasn't coming back to this team. BB made a decision and his defense paid the price.
 
So missing flights, meetings snd curfews while hammered all week, shows commitment to the team?

Again, torrey smith was shut down in the game, so the pats did not miss butler.

THat was not the problem. The problem was the bizarre idea rowe didn’t need harmon or mccourty over the top to eliminate jeffrey.

Gilmore would have isolated agoholor and chung was doing a number on ertz, which is technically foles’s favorite read. Focus on these decisions as to where bb erred, not the benching of a guy almost begging to be cut during sb week itself.
So missing flights and curfews and allegedly having weed on him was worth not having your best players out on defense and being unable to get a stop?
 
I thought it had been established that he missed the flight because of the flu.

Is that true, though? If he “had the flu” sun night but “was expected to play” as if they knew the flu would definitely be out of his system, isn’t that a suspicious thing to say? Flus can knock people out for a week.

Wasn’t it odd that we never got info if he was on monday’s flight at all and/or instead quarantined? We didn’t hear about a separate flight confirmation until wed, the day the gameplan was installed. What if he knew the gameplan, saw man coverage vs taller wrs, and then awol with a fake flu?

Maybe the “flu” cover was him missing the team flight monday? Sounds like he may have missed 2 flights if the flu thing was indeed a cover.
 
So missing flights and curfews and allegedly having weed on him was worth not having your best players out on defense and being unable to get a stop?

I repeat: torrey smith was taken out. The d made numerous stops on 3rd and short. Credit philly’s loose and aggressive play there.

I have already stated my disagreements with the matchups and do feel my analysis is sound.
 
Butler's skillset was a match for Smith and Agholor. In any case, it doesn't matter whether Butler was a shutdown corner. What matters is who the worst defensive back on the field was. If Butler plays, the worst defensive back is Eric Rowe, who's fine. Not great, but fine.

With Butler out, the weakest link was Jordan Richards or Johnson Bademosi. A secondary's only as good as its weakest link, and those links don't belong in the NFL.

This is a great point. Dumb news articles are saying Rowe replaced Butler and that was the sole problem. What they don't mention is that benching Butler put three people out of position and as you mentioned brought bench warmers onto the field. Rowe isn't bad, the problem is that everyone moved up a spot on the depth chart.
 
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