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Not sure if this was in the article but wickersham was on ESPN and said Jimmy G went to TB12 sports to treat his injured shoulder last year and they refused, presumably because Tom felt threatened.
The article said Jimmy G went to TB12 for his shoulder and the doors were locked. He wasn't able to get an appt until 2 weeks later...or so the article claims.
 
If you believe "ridiculous things" you are not a responsible member of society. Also, I would be interested in any example of a "ridiculous thing" you believe. I do not believe any ridiculous things.

Edit: Actually I did identify one ridiculous thing you "believe" "Truth be told, as with almost every American, my carbon footprint is still too big to be considered a truly responsible member of society"

NEXT
When I discover that a belief is false, I stop believing it, so unless I am literally at the moment of discovery, I am unaware of specific beliefs that are ridiculous. Like you, I once held the idea that all my beliefs were "bullet proof". Our conditioning teaches us to do that and dismiss any ideas that conflict without much of any thought. This is called "closed minded" and is one of the greatest causes of conflict and unnecessary suffering in the world.

The fact that you have gone so long without realizing a single one of your closely held beliefs if false is very telling. It took me over 3 decades to realize it. It is a sign of how strong conditioning is, but it is possible to awake out of it.

Try reading a translation of Descartes Discourse on Method. This work literally describes the process of realizing that much of what we were conditioned to believe is garbage, and questioning everything.

We are human and the Universe is vast. Our conditioning is very strong and hard to break out of. Combined with our cognitive and physical limits, it is totally understandable that we believe things that are obviously false under true examination. What is irresponsible is consistently failing to seriously question our own beliefs, and automatically dismissing evidence that contradicts them without sincere examination.

Don't worry tho. Being closed minded is completely normal.
 
Im sure theres some tensions, both due to jimmy g and guerrero. But both bill and brady know there unparalleled success is due to one another. Jimmy could win mvp one day. But you dont trade the "more probable than not" current mvp to keep a potential future mvp. When you are rebuilding, you look to the future. When you are in contention, youre only thought should be how to win that year. Because its the pats and theyve won 5sbs or whatever, people thinkg you dont have to take advantage of every chance you get. If they win a sb this year, brady and billichick each do 2 more years and retire together. Bill is possibly the GOAT. But its funny people forgot he got fired after 4 seasons as a HC
 
I think that was in play given that's what they did with cassel

I think it was specifically NOT in play because of what they learned when they did do it with Cassel. The franchise tender created a huge cap hold that prevented signing free agents, both our own and outside, until a trade was finalized. It was a tremendous impediment to off-season team-building. Plus without his glittering 5 games in SF, would the trade market for JG really be that hot next summer, at a price tag of 23 million and up?

They did not shop for the best offer, but they saw a good situation for JG on a last-place team with good management needing a QB. It figured the pick to be in the top 4 picks in round 2. They knew JG was good, but nobody saw a 5-0 finish for what had been a train wreck of a team, dropping the pick to 43 or whatever.
 
Absolutely disgusting what Zolak and Bertrand are doing to give this article credibility.

For example they give credibility to the "meeting lasting half a day affecting other meetings" and say it's true because Zolak in the past has had stuff with Belichick delayed or cancelled.

How does that confirm that meeting happened? It doesn't confirm anything except Belichick has come late or cancelled meetings with Zolak. Which is most likely that coaches review he does with Zolak which Belichick probably thinks is a waste of his time and would rather be preparing for the next game instead of talking about the last game.


So laughable.

The "Belistrator" is what I think you are referring to and I believe they tape those on Tuesdays as part of Patriots All Access. BB very well might have had a different thing planned or he probably is sick of these things since he has done it every week for 17 years.
 
As a back seat GM and water cooler gossip monger….lets toss out some crap for digestion:

This is the ONLY part that you got right.. That you were throwing out crap.. SMH..
 
The article said Jimmy G went to TB12 for his shoulder and the doors were locked. He wasn't able to get an appt until 2 weeks later...or so the article claims.

Zo said that it didn't happen, said he had a source on it, and started to explain about a back door that's always/often locked. Naturally, the Waste of Skin cut him off, and they didn't get back to it in the time I was still listening.

The Waste of Skin won't believe any "unnamed sources" from Zo, but he believes the article. How he reconciles that is a feat worthy of Hercules.
 
If Brady was "scared" of Jimmy, why give him an appointment at all?

Wickersham alleges that the pats called guerrerro to get Jimmy the appointment.
 
When will this end. Every year it's something else. Ridiculous. Why didn't they wait till Super Bowl week for this?
 
I cant wait to see jimmy g play a full season next year. It would have been nice to have the 49ers on our schedule next season. 49ers vs Pats super bowl would be epic. Teacher vs pupil.
 
When I discover that a belief is false, I stop believing it, so unless I am literally at the moment of discovery, I am unaware of specific beliefs that are ridiculous. Like you, I once held the idea that all my beliefs were "bullet proof". Our conditioning teaches us to do that and dismiss any ideas that conflict without much of any thought. This is called "closed minded" and is one of the greatest causes of conflict and unnecessary suffering in the world.

The fact that you have gone so long without realizing a single one of your closely held beliefs if false is very telling. It took me over 3 decades to realize it. It is a sign of how strong conditioning is, but it is possible to awake out of it.

Try reading a translation of Descartes Discourse on Method. This work literally describes the process of realizing that much of what we were conditioned to believe is garbage, and questioning everything.

We are human and the Universe is vast. Our conditioning is very strong and hard to break out of. Combined with our cognitive and physical limits, it is totally understandable that we believe things that are obviously false under true examination. What is irresponsible is consistently failing to seriously question our own beliefs, and automatically dismissing evidence that contradicts them without sincere examination.

Don't worry tho. Being closed minded is completely normal.
evidence and facts only.
 
If any "Patriots staffers" were "stunned and confused", they must know far less about how the cap works than many posters on this forum.

Brissett was traded for a WR (Dorsett) after it was clear that the Pats' #1 and #3 WRs (Edelman, Mitchell) from the end of last season wouldn't be playing this season. It's highly unlikely that this was some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own. It's far more likely that Caserio and the entire pro-scouting department were involved and that the trade was based on one of their many contingency plans. It's very likely that there were other WRs and trade scenarios under consideration that fell within the constraints of "trade ammunition" in terms of players and future draft picks, and 2017 cap hit.

This is how most pro-personnel scouting departments work. BB's "genius" when it comes to acquiring players to fill in is having the smarts to employ one of the sharpest and hardest-working pro-personnel department in the league.

The trade that actually occurred - Brissett for Dorsett - was simply the first one they attempted and was probably the most affordable.



This is speculation based on unconfirmed rumor being submitted as fact. IOW, pure ********.



An opinion based on the above ********.

At the eleventh hour, the Pats (again, NOT some arbitrary, impulsive decision that BB made on his own) were able to get a pick for JG that would likely fall in the top-40, instead of a Comp pick that would likely have been outside the top-100. Nearly a two-round difference. And it was their last opportunity to get that much. It should also be noted that, prior to that trade, the Pats were entering the 2018 draft with five total picks.

But the most important factual context being ignored is that, before the start of Camp ...
- Nink hadn't retired
- Rivers hadn't gotten injured
- McClellin hadn't gotten injured
- Cy Jones hadn't gotten injured
- Edelman hadn't gotten injured
- Mitchell had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Valentine had yet to suffer the injury that sent him to IR
- Langi, Hightower, Ebner, Cannon ....
- Bennett (and his cap hit) had yet to be claimed (happened after Hogan was injured)
--- and the Pats had ~$25M in cap space, most of which might have been rolled over into 2018 ... and helped to cover a potential Franchise tag for JG that would have bought the Pats more time to make a final decision for the long term future of the team - outside the distraction and pressure of a season already underway.

The Pats now have less than $3M in cap space available to roll over - due to the roster moves that needed to be made to compensate for all those missing players. By the time the trade deadline rolled around, their financial opportunity to retain JG for one more off-season on the FT had completely evaporated. It was down to either letting JG walk in FA for a 3rd-round Comp, or trying to get something more.

At that point, which do you trade? JG? Or the veteran who has you sitting at 6-2 while completing 68% of his throws for 2540 yards, 16 TDs (vs two INTs) despite a passing attack that had to be re-engineered at the last minute due to critical injuries? Also note that Hogan - yet another critical passing attack weapon - was known to be seriously injured before the trade. Given those circumstances, which of the two QBs do you think would have the best chance of getting the team to the playoffs and at least a shot at another Superbowl this season?

I have to say, though, that Wickersham has done a bang-up job of combining a willful ignorance of all this with speculation about the meaning of the Guerrero ******** and cartoonish characterizations of Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the entire organization to successfully appeal to the sub-90 IQ level of what remains of ESPN's audience.

**** ESPN. **** Wickersham. And **** all those other assholes in media like him who, with every word they write or utter, make our country dumber.

I wish I could program PF to automatically add another "winner" to this post ever hour for the next six months.
 
Using an unnamed source to help validate a story is one thing, using solely unnamed sources another altogether. Once again ESPN is using a witches brew of unnamed sources and series of anecdotes taken out of context to try and smear Belichick, Brady, Kraft, and the Patriots on the eve of a playoff run. It’s deliberate, it’s clickbait, and it’s purpose is to use the Patriots to try and shore up their failing network. None of it has been validated in any way and Belichick dismisses it out of hand as garbage, yet their is a contingency of Patriot fans who as always join their legion of haters in rejoicing at every attempt to try and drag them down.

Feel free to show us the good journalism in this story?

Yeah good journalism that can't even write sentences correctly.

 
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