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Dorsett could be having a much bigger year if TB trusted him more.

This trust meme is just...unfair.

How do any of us know what the heck TB12 is thinking? Feeling? I don't recall being his therapist (if he even has one) getting the lowdown on his doctor-patient privilege level information.

Could it be that Dorsett is usually, at best, third on a progression in MOST plays? Would you RATHER he was thrown to more than Gronk? Lewis? Cooks?

This is the same stuff thrown against the wall for Dwayne Allen earlier this year. Allen is one of the primary reasons Lewis is having a career year, but he's also like no better than third on the progression chart on the majority of pass plays.

Let's throw some other stuff out there: Jermaine Wiggins in the 2001 playoff run. Solder catches a TD as a TE. The Edelman double pass. They have Ernie Adams for a reason - find a trend that can be exploited in a big moment, hang on to it, and use it for that big moment.
 
This trust meme is just...unfair.

How do any of us know what the heck TB12 is thinking? Feeling? I don't recall being his therapist (if he even has one) getting the lowdown on his doctor-patient privilege level information.

Could it be that Dorsett is usually, at best, third on a progression in MOST plays? Would you RATHER he was thrown to more than Gronk? Lewis? Cooks?

This is the same stuff thrown against the wall for Dwayne Allen earlier this year. Allen is one of the primary reasons Lewis is having a career year, but he's also like no better than third on the progression chart on the majority of pass plays.

Let's throw some other stuff out there: Jermaine Wiggins in the 2001 playoff run. Solder catches a TD as a TE. The Edelman double pass. They have Ernie Adams for a reason - find a trend that can be exploited in a big moment, hang on to it, and use it for that big moment.
I think two important factors could be how Dorsett is drawing coverage, and how he’s blocking downfield, which both seem to suggest that he could have more value than we’re giving credit to.

Of course, the biggest knock is that our passing game is suffering a bit in Hogan’s absence, and that Dorsett just isn’t a guy who is likely to make too many key catches—at least this season. I think that would be why many would prefer to see Mitchell for the postseason run. He can make important 3rd down grabs and chain moving possession catches that Dorsett isn’t likely to see, and I think it’s fair to question his rapport with Brady since they haven’t seemed to find a way to develop that kind of chemistry.
 
He can make important 3rd down grabs and chain moving possession catches that Dorsett isn’t likely to see, and I think it’s fair to question his rapport with Brady since they haven’t seemed to find a way to develop that kind of chemistry.

Interestingly, when did Mitchell start seeing more throws last year? Later in the season when the coverages started too really roll to Edelman and Hogan was the "coverage draw" player in the medium to longer yardage. Then when the defense adjusted to take away the outside throws Mitchell mostly ran, the primary reads went back to the middle of the field (short and middle).

It wasn't Brady "trust". It was the offense taking what the defense gave them. You guys may be right, but when thrown to, has Dorsett shown the yips or inability to deliver? Not at all. That to me says it's more how the play is designed than "Brady doesn't trust Dorsett".
 
Interestingly, when did Mitchell start seeing more throws last year? Later in the season when the coverages started too really roll to Edelman and Hogan was the "coverage draw" player in the medium to longer yardage. Then when the defense adjusted to take away the outside throws Mitchell mostly ran, the primary reads went back to the middle of the field (short and middle).

It wasn't Brady "trust". It was the offense taking what the defense gave them. You guys may be right, but when thrown to, has Dorsett shown the yips or inability to deliver? Not at all. That to me says it's more how the play is designed than "Brady doesn't trust Dorsett".
It is more complex than that though, because there have been times when the initial reads are covered and Dorsett has been open, but TB never looks to him despite having time to do so. Without knowing the plays and what TB is thinking, it is very hard to know.
 
Wonder if the Britt signing lit a fire under Mitchell?
 
To summarize, here are the potential pass-catchers who are (hypothetically) "under review" this week during practice. The Pats are not required to make a decision about the roster status of any of these players until they decide to officially activate Malcolm Mitchell to the active roster - not required until the end of the week leading up to the divisional round playoff game.

Hogan -
... Based on his performance in wk-14 @Mia and on the fact that he's been "limited" in practice and deactivated for the two games since, it's not yet clear whether or not he'll be sufficiently healthy to contribute significantly by the divisional round.
... Prior to his injury near the end of wk-8 (Chargers), Hogan had averaged 67 snaps/game and caught 33 of 54 tgts (61%) for 438 yards (13.3 ypc).

Turns 30 next October and is under contract thru 2018 at $3.5M


Mitchell -
... Hasn't seen practice-field speed with the team, game speed - or contact - since O'Shnickerschnee took his knee out in the Houston pre-season game on August 19th, 4.5 months ago. He hasn't seen live game action in 10.5 months.
... Last season, he averaged 24 snaps per game thru week-9 and caught 7 of 15 tgts (47%) for 95 yards (13.6 ypc). For the six regular season games he was active after Gronk was IR'd (and while Amendola was out with an ankle injury), Mitchell averaged 58 snaps/game and caught 25 of 33 tgts (76%) for 306 yards (12.2 ypc).
... Mitchell missed wk-8 (hamstring), wk-16 (knee) and the first playoff game (knee) due to injury last season.

Turns 25 next July and is under contract thru 2019 at an average of $820k/season.


Britt -
... HEALTHY.
... Big WR at 6'3"/~220 he's just 1/2" shorter and ~20 lbs lighter than J. Hollister.
... Has 8 years of NFL experience in other systems, and produced 327 catches on 604 tgts (54%) for 5114 yards (15.6 avg ypc) before joining the Pats - never playing anything but the "X" WR before now (by his own statements).
... He's now in his 3rd week of learning the Pats play-calling terminology and (best guess) a dozen or two plays (including blocking assignments). He's had 11 game snaps with the team in two weeks, been targeted 3 times, caught two for 23 yards (the third tgt resulted in a Brady interception).

Turns 30 next September and his under contract thru 2018 at $1.50M (no dead money if cut).


Dorsett -
... HEALTHY.
... Same size and 40-time as Cooks (literally identical) slightly better vertical and 3-cone. Had two seasons of NFL experience with Indy prior to being acquired by the Pats during cutdowns. Caught 51 of 98 tgts (52%) for 921 yards (15.4 avg ypc).
... He's now in his 17th week of learning the Pats' system. He averaged 14 snaps/game thru week-8 (when Hogan was injured), and has averaged 31 snaps/game since, including @Mia in wk-14 when he got 0 snaps during Hogan's attempted comeback. His previous low snap count was 7 in week-3 v. HOU.
... He's caught 9 of 13 tgts (69%) for 168 yards (18.7 ypc) on the season (plus one carry for 7 yards), and has caught 2 of 2 for 28 yards during the past two games while averaging 25 snaps/game.

Turns 25 in January and is under contract thru 2018 at $1.54M (no dead money if cut).


Hollister -
... HEALTHY.
... "Small-ish" TE at 6032/242. He's averaged 5.6 snaps/game for the season. His 13 snaps vs BUF last week was the first time he's topped 8 snaps in a game since week-2 @NOL (16 snaps).
... He's caught 4 of 10 tgts (40%) for 42 yards (10.5 ypc) on the season. In the past two games, he's caught 1 of 3 tgts for 5 yards and had one carry for 5 yards.

Turns 25 next November and is under contract thru 2019 at $603k/season (RFA at the end of 2019).
 
I have credible information from an anonymous source that Harrison was planted here by the Steelers as a double operative to spy on Belichick & report back.. possibly even kill Brady if given the chance
Stop with that nonsense please. I'm sure you are being sarcastic but its getting old after a few days now.
 
Wonder if the Britt signing lit a fire under Mitchell?
I doubt it.

It's up to BB when players on IR practice.

Christ MM has been going to Twitter ever 15 minutes for the past 2 months saying he is getting closer....before Britt arrived.
 
Cooks
Hogs
DA
MM
Britt
Dorsett

Something's gotta give.
I'm hoping it's the opponents pass defense.

Still, Mitchell and Hogan have missed some serious time and might need some real game reps to get back into it. Less concerned about Hogan as he has played this season and seemed to naturally adjust to the Patriots offense.
 
I'm hoping it's the opponents pass defense.

Still, Mitchell and Hogan have missed some serious time and might need some real game reps to get back into it. Less concerned about Hogan as he has played this season and seemed to naturally adjust to the Patriots offense.

I agree. That list looks good on paper but the reality is....

  • Cooks is a deep threat and not a possession receiver.
  • Hogs is coming back from a shoulder injury and we have no idea how good he'll be.
  • MM hasn't played a meaningful snap since the SB
  • DA is solid
  • Britt doesn't know the offense
  • Dorsett knows the offense but Brady doesn't throw to him unless he is wide open which is not often.
 
This trust meme is just...unfair.

How do any of us know what the heck TB12 is thinking? Feeling? I don't recall being his therapist (if he even has one) getting the lowdown on his doctor-patient privilege level information.

Could it be that Dorsett is usually, at best, third on a progression in MOST plays? Would you RATHER he was thrown to more than Gronk? Lewis? Cooks?

This is the same stuff thrown against the wall for Dwayne Allen earlier this year. Allen is one of the primary reasons Lewis is having a career year, but he's also like no better than third on the progression chart on the majority of pass plays.

Let's throw some other stuff out there: Jermaine Wiggins in the 2001 playoff run. Solder catches a TD as a TE. The Edelman double pass. They have Ernie Adams for a reason - find a trend that can be exploited in a big moment, hang on to it, and use it for that big moment.
I hear what you're saying. I do think there is something to the "trust" thing, though maybe it's unfair to infer. Perhaps I should have said something like "he isn't throwing to him even when he's open."

Malcolm Mitchell's return to practice highlights importance of QB-WR trust
 
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