Just Imagine if Gronk... Grassy Knoll Super Merge

[Ring 6]

So ? Yardage effencicy? You cherry pick this stat? I dont get it.

Brady was not know for being a long ball hitter. He dinked and dunked better than anyone has. It won games. So just because a QB had more yards on each attempt on average - but won less games and championships is some sort of accomplishment?

What I cant understand is you use one set of tangibles to proclaim RB has an edge over TB and then a completely opposite ones to try to explain how Ward has something over Moss.

You are embarrassing yourself with this childish crap.

Brady’s ypa is lower because he spent much of his career throwing short passes to replace the running game IN ADDITION TO being better at everything else.
Efficiency is stupid without context. Add 4 wr screen passes to the stats instead of running the call and somehow claim he was worse because his “efficiency” went down

 

[Bruins29]

Brady’s ypa is lower because he spent much of his career throwing short passes to replace the running game IN ADDITION TO being better at everything else.
Efficiency is stupid without context. Add 4 wr screen passes to the stats instead of running the call and somehow claim he was worse because his “efficiency” went down

Exactly! Its called desperation, cherry picking,with a bit of ignorance thrown in.

As stated, if TB can score points by dinking and dunking down the field instead of throwing more long balls it actually says a ton more about how much better TB is because he had to pass and complete more passes than other QBs

Bottom line is this guy is a homer.

 

[ausbacker]

I rated this disagree and I'm going to tell you why. Because this is the reason I was originally willing to accept a 3 game suspension despite being a huge Gronk fan.

The reasoning is simple. Even if the injury didn't happen as such, he was still risking that consequence by what he did to White. This scenario is a legitimate thing that not only could have happened, but is an expectable consequence of what Gronk did. So unlike your standard what-if hypothetical, there's some merit to discussing this. it didn't happen, but that wasn't for lack of effort on Rob Gronkowski's part.

I mean it's great that he's sorry and all, but he did still come down almost full force with his forearm on White's back while he was prone and vulnerable, and a lot of that contact was then deflected upwards into the helmet, which was then forcefully slammed to the ground. Worse injuries have happened from more benign forms of contact, that's for sure.

Dumb act sure but the premise of the op is utterly ridiculous and deserves all the scorn it has received.

 

[NashuaPats]

If this came from a regular poster, I'd say, dumb comment. But from someone with 74 posts in ten years, I say f u.

 

[XLIX]

And Craig was great no doubt. Faulk, Tomlinson, etc. But without all of the injuries, Bell would have been putting up unheard of all-purpose stats the last few seasons.

When discussing the greatest of all time, once you have to play the “what coulda been” card to defend your position, then you lose.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Kind of a morbid thing to imagine. Perhaps find an old copy of Faces of Death to get your rocks off to?

Personally I prefer to imagine my dog sitter without clothes...

 

[Gatekeeper]

Bell isn't even in the conversation for best of all time...anything. He's just one of hundreds before him, virtually indistinguishable from the hundreds who'll come after him.

He's JAG who happens to play for one of the media darling franchises.

I noticed nobody here objected when I said Gronkowski is probably the greatest TE in the history of the league, even though his stats are not YET anywhere near the top stat-compiling TE's in league history. It's all about having the eyes to recognize dominance and greatness in the moment. Gronk and Bell both pass that test. We'll do a follow-up of this in 5 or so years and see where each of their stats line up with the all-timers.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Exactly! Its called desperation, cherry picking,with a bit of ignorance thrown in.

As stated, if TB can score points by dinking and dunking down the field instead of throwing more long balls it actually says a ton more about how much better TB is because he had to pass and complete more passes than other QBs

Bottom line is this guy is a homer.

Once again, it's all about styles. Brady would have never survived behind some of the lines Ben had to play behind in the years when he was getting sacked 40-50 times a season. There's a misconception that Pit has always had great lines in front of him, and that's far from the case. Watch the game-winning drive in the Super Bowl against Arizona, and how much improvising and scrambling he had to do to get down the field. (Greatest SB drive culminated with the greatest SB-winning pass and catch.)

Ben, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have flourished as well as Brady did in his style of offense all those years. (Although Ben has gotten much better at being a pocket/rhythm passer as he's aged.)

Right now Brady is the clear GOAT, with maybe a handful of other guys who are worthy of at least being in the conversation. But if Ben wins it all this year, he is up there in that handful.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Brady is tops, but I'd put Montana and Peyton in his ballpark. Maybe Marino. Hard to say about older guys that we never saw play, like Unitas, etc.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I noticed nobody here objected when I said Gronkowski is probably the greatest TE in the history of the league, even though his stats are not YET anywhere near the top stat-compiling TE's in league history. It's all about having the eyes to recognize dominance and greatness in the moment. Gronk and Bell both pass that test. We'll do a follow-up of this in 5 or so years and see where each of their stats line up with the all-timers.

Did you just basically admit you will still be trolling forums in 5 years? I feel so bad for the trolls over a certain age... If you were a kid it'd be understandable. Heck, even if you were early 20s I wouod laugh it off. Though, most trolls I am seeing here are older 20s+. Heck, that Jete fan is almost 40. Its not that you are successfully trolling because I've seen better trolls than you, its just the generation gap is making me cringe because you are likely sitting and looking at your screen smiling or thinking you are trolling. Man, no offense but some of you trolls are amateurs. I was a WAY better troll during my teenage years. So many people hated me and I was great at what I did.

...then i grew up

 

[Fixit]

 

[Gatekeeper]

Did you just basically admit you will still be trolling forums in 5 years? I feel so bad for the trolls over a certain age... If you were a kid it'd be understandable. Heck, even if you were early 20s I wouod laugh it off. Though, most trolls I am seeing here are older 20s+. Heck, that Jete fan is almost 40. Its not that you are successfully trolling because I've seen better trolls than you, its just the generation gap is making me cringe because you are likely sitting and looking at your screen smiling or thinking you are trolling. Man, no offense but some of you trolls are amateurs. I was a WAY better troll during my teenage years. So many people hated me and I was great at what I did.

...then i grew up

I don't see how anything I've done could be considered "trolling." Just old fashioned good football talk from different perspectives. If I was jumping into every thread and chiming in trying to stir the pot, that would be trolling. Just sticking to the subject matter of my own topic isn't "trolling."

11 days from now will be fun!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Kind of a morbid thing to imagine. Perhaps find an old copy of Faces of Death to get your rocks off to?

Personally I prefer to imagine my dog sitter without clothes...

Faces of Death....I used to watch that in college. Gross.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't see how anything I've done could be considered "trolling." Just old fashioned good football talk from different perspectives. If I was jumping into every thread and chiming in trying to stir the pot, that would be trolling. Just sticking to the subject matter of my own topic isn't "trolling."

11 days from now will be fun!

The first post exposed you.

 

[Gumby]

Once again, it's all about styles. Brady would have never survived behind some of the lines Ben had to play behind in the years when he was getting sacked 40-50 times a season. There's a misconception that Pit has always had great lines in front of him, and that's far from the case. . . .

How do you know? Brady has pocketsense. He moves around away from pressure and unloads he ball for an INC rather than sit and wait to get creamed. Brady has not had all world offensive lines either, but they get boa he'd up by Scar and TB makes them look better than they are !

 

[robbomango]

Once again, it's all about styles. Brady would have never survived behind some of the lines Ben had to play behind in the years when he was getting sacked 40-50 times a season. There's a misconception that Pit has always had great lines in front of him, and that's far from the case. Watch the game-winning drive in the Super Bowl against Arizona, and how much improvising and scrambling he had to do to get down the field. (Greatest SB drive culminated with the greatest SB-winning pass and catch.)

Ben, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have flourished as well as Brady did in his style of offense all those years. (Although Ben has gotten much better at being a pocket/rhythm passer as he's aged.)

Right now Brady is the clear GOAT, with maybe a handful of other guys who are worthy of at least being in the conversation. But if Ben wins it all this year, he is up there in that handful.

Brady's 1st 5 games of the season he was sacked 16 times, getting mauled. He threw 11tds 1 pic, completed 70% of his passes, averaging 350yds a game and had a qbr well over 100.

He does just fine behind bad Oline play. Ben holds on to the Ball forever, TB doesn't = lower sack totals over his career. People think TB is some delicate flower, he's a chunk of iron, you can hit him and sack him into a pulp and he will be up in your grill throwing the game tying or winning td pass.

 

[lurker1965]

You know and I know if Tom Brady was black he'd have been suspended for 4 games because of weather. (Sorry, I had to somewhere.)

 

[lurker1965]

Once again, it's all about styles. Brady would have never survived behind some of the lines Ben had to play behind in the years when he was getting sacked 40-50 times a season. There's a misconception that Pit has always had great lines in front of him, and that's far from the case. Watch the game-winning drive in the Super Bowl against Arizona, and how much improvising and scrambling he had to do to get down the field. (Greatest SB drive culminated with the greatest SB-winning pass and catch.)

Ben, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have flourished as well as Brady did in his style of offense all those years. (Although Ben has gotten much better at being a pocket/rhythm passer as he's aged.)

Right now Brady is the clear GOAT, with maybe a handful of other guys who are worthy of at least being in the conversation. But if Ben wins it all this year, he is up there in that handful.

Huh?
Did you see the 2008 Patriots? The same line as the 2007 Patriots that was all world suddenly had to protect Cassel. I forget if it was 5 or 6 weeks into the season, but Cassel was the most sacked QB in the league.
You know pocket awareness and throwaways are kinda more important than taking hits because you are built like a fullback, right?
You realize all the scrambles with DEs draped on him but can't bring him down is why he is talking retirement, right?

 

[102 Pat]

Just imagine if this board screened posters...

 

[PatsWSB47]

Once again, it's all about styles. Brady would have never survived behind some of the lines Ben had to play behind in the years when he was getting sacked 40-50 times a season. There's a misconception that Pit has always had great lines in front of him, and that's far from the case. Watch the game-winning drive in the Super Bowl against Arizona, and how much improvising and scrambling he had to do to get down the field. (Greatest SB drive culminated with the greatest SB-winning pass and catch.)

Ben, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have flourished as well as Brady did in his style of offense all those years. (Although Ben has gotten much better at being a pocket/rhythm passer as he's aged.)

Right now Brady is the clear GOAT, with maybe a handful of other guys who are worthy of at least being in the conversation. But if Ben wins it all this year, he is up there in that handful.

It doesn't matter how Ben would do in the Pats offenses or what Brady would have done in the Steelers offenses. Get out of the "IF" world and back to the real world. If Ben, this, If Ben that. We've heard the same kind of thing from Manning fans for years. Now it's Rogers and even Montana. Yep everyone's quarterback would have been better than Brady "IF". There's no "if" stat to measure. "IS". That's what you have to look at.